rtx bottlenecking?

[Rdpruitt]

I know this topic should kind of be in the GPU or CPU threads, but I want this information because I'm building a whole new computer. My dad has tasked me with planning a new computer. He wants to edit a lot of photos (not videos) on it, and me and my brothers want to game on it. We are going to get the RTX 2080 ti (probably founders, unless there is a 3rd party that is better in most ways) and he wanted to wait for the Intel ice lake chips. This would have been fine, when it was planned for February 2019 release but now it has been delayed, probably to 2020. So we were thinking we should just upgrade the case, (to fit the RTX card,) the power supply, and the video card itself. But then I realized that the Intel core i7 860 we have currently would probably bottleneck a RTX on a 4k display. so I was wondering 1. by how much would our CPU bottleneck the RTX, 2. is there a cheapish intel CPU and motherboard(preferably ASUS for aura sync) that could hold us over until 2020. (it wont need to edit photos, my dad does that on our living room computer for now, which works pretty well)

 

so my dad said that there is no budget for this build ( well he said he would prefer under $5000, not including the display) and his requirements for this build are Intel ice lake, modern GPU, 64gb of ram, a 2TB m.2 SSD, one 5.25 and one 3.5 external bays(or two 5.25), and we are going to get a NVidia BFGD in 2019. so here is a link to my build so far, with no motherboard or CPU of course, but because we are not upgrading the entire computer at the same time, our plan might be thrown off. I guess I'm just asking you guys to tell me what you think about it. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tGKGV6

 

(btw any recommendations for good 140mm case fans that are compatible with Aura Sync? the thermal take I have added right now don't have aura sync I think.)

[Fasauceome]

So how does a z370 board with an i5 8600k sound to hold over for 9th gen? Although, depending on when you decide to buy it, 9th gen may already be out. I recommend waiting a week or two to see what Intel's cooking

[brob]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Strix H370-F Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($134.38 @ Amazon) 
Total: $444.37
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-03 22:14 EDT-0400

[Rdpruitt]

12 hours ago, fasauceome said:

So how does a z370 board with an i5 8600k sound to hold over for 9th gen? Although, depending on when you decide to buy it, 9th gen may already be out. I recommend waiting a week or two to see what Intel's cooking

isn't 9th gen going to be new 14nm chips? My dad wanted to wait for the 10nm the Intel will eventually release(tho they keep delaying it)

[brob]

5 minutes ago, Rdpruitt said:

isn't 9th gen going to be new 14nm chips? My dad wanted to wait for the 10nm the Intel will eventually release(tho they keep delaying it)

The problem with this is that when Ice Lake appears there will be another generation just around the corner and yet another not too far down the road. I'd suggest getting the best you can today and worry about replacing/upgrading when it no longer meets needs. Otherwise, you will always be waiting for something better.

 

[Rdpruitt]

1 hour ago, brob said:

The problem with this is that when Ice Lake appears there will be another generation just around the corner and yet another not too far down the road. I'd suggest getting the best you can today and worry about replacing/upgrading when it no longer meets needs. Otherwise, you will always be waiting for something bette

your right. idk. I can talk to my dad and see what he thinks about the 10nm ice lake delay. but if we do want to get the best right now, what should we get? my dad wants at least 8 cores and probably either an i7 or i9. and I think we will get the Asus ROG Strix x299-XE motherboard if we do upgrade our CPU to a new 8th gen or 9th gen 14nm.

[brob]

39 minutes ago, Rdpruitt said:

your right. idk. I can talk to my dad and see what he thinks about the 10nm ice lake delay. but if we do want to get the best right now, what should we get? my dad wants at least 8 cores and probably either an i7 or i9. and I think we will get the Asus ROG Strix x299-XE motherboard if we do upgrade our CPU to a new 8th gen or 9th gen 14nm.

For gaming and Photoshop the i7-8700K would be best. Photoshop is lightly threaded and offers its best performance with higher clocked cores rather than more cores. 

 

This build is a bit over the top. The low latency memory being one example.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($379.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG MAXIMUS X HERO (WI-FI AC) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($259.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($432.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 2.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($577.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB ROG Strix Gaming OC Video Card  ($1300.00) 
Case: Phanteks - ENTHOO EVOLV X GLASS (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($200.00) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Ultra Titanium 650W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($151.84 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit  ($125.89 @ Trusted Tech Team) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG27UQ 27.0" 3840x2160 144Hz Monitor  ($1999.00 @ B&H) 
Total: $5587.67
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-04 12:18 EDT-0400

[Rdpruitt]

thanks for the info. I am almost defiantly doing air cooling because have 2 external bays in a computer limits the fan amount. in my build so far in the cooler master MC500MT, we are probably going to do 2 140mm in the front(intake), and one 140mm on top one 140mm in the back for exhaust. I could put another 140mm on top but I don't want a negative air pressure or whatever its called. I do really want the evolv X, it looks awesome, and that was the case I was planning on before my dad told me we needed external bays for bluray and camera card readers

[brob]

Unless optical disks are being used frequently, one might consider an external unit. External card readers are much better as they are inexpensive and easily changed when new formats come out. 

[Rdpruitt]

yeah I looked into that a bit, and having a card reader on the desk would be more convenient, but I read somewhere that the truly external ones, not in a bay, are slower. I don't know how true that is.

[Rdpruitt]

but even if I can get a case that doesn't have external bays, I do really like the MC500MT. it looks petty good. and would it be a waste to get the Evolv X and not do water cooling? (not custom loop, no way)

[brob]

External card readers are no slower than those in a bay. They both use USB connections, so it comes down to getting a USB 3 connected reader in either case.

 

I'm a bit confused about how the MC500T is configured with an external drive. From the User Manual it appears that the finish plate is not used leaving the air filter exposed. Certainly would improve airflow but I wonder about appearance.

 

I like the aluminium skin of the Evolv X.

[Rdpruitt]

2 hours ago, brob said:

I'm a bit confused about how the MC500T is configured with an external drive. From the User Manual it appears that the finish plate is not used leaving the air filter exposed. Certainly would improve airflow but I wonder about appearance

wait what? you cant have the front cover and external bay slots at the same time? ive seen videos of people opening disc trays while the front cover was on...

maybe those videos where the Maker 5t, which I cant tell the difference between it and the MC500Mt

[brob]

I think I've sorted it. Take a look at http://www.coolermaster.com/xresserver01-DLFILE-P16110900013da8-F1701130002e606.html, bottom right picture on 2nd page. Turns out both models have magnetic top and front panels. It appears that in order to use an optical drive the front panel has to be removed. 

 

One option would be to get a monitor that has USB 3 ports. One could then have an external optical drive and/or card reader conveniently placed on the desktop.

[Rdpruitt]

Ok. I will probably go for the Evolv X then. Is there any information on when non pre-orders can get it? The website still says it will ship pre-orders the week of 9/10

[brob]

Newegg has a listing that allows ordering with the note that it ships in 10 - 20 days, https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854078&cm_re=evolv_x-_-11-854-078-_-Product.

[Rdpruitt]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 4:40 PM, brob said:

I think I've sorted it. Take a look at http://www.coolermaster.com/xresserver01-DLFILE-P16110900013da8-F1701130002e606.html, bottom right picture on 2nd page. Turns out both models have magnetic top and front panels. It appears that in order to use an optical drive the front panel has to be removed. 

it looks like the front panel has to be in the 'open' position only while putting something into the drives, like a disc or compact flash card. and then after its in, it looks like you can close it again

but if external is not any slower than one in a bay, I probably will get another case anyway. idk yet

[brob]

There shouldn't be any performance difference between a USB 3 and SATA III connected optical drive. Both connections have more bandwidth than the drive needs.