External hard drive vs internal setup

[grangervoldemort]

Why do drives like this (https://www.lacie.com/gb/en/products/big/5big-thunderbolt-2/) (choose option 20TB) cost £1,500? 

I could get 4 of these for £1020: https://www.ebuyer.com/791740-seagate-barracuda-pro-8tb-desktop-hard-drive-3-5-sata-iii-6gb-s-7200rpm-st8000dm0004 and I would have 12TB more space.

 

Or I could get this for £560 (choose 20TB): https://www.wdc.com/en-gb/products/external-storage/my-book-duo.html#WDBFBE0200JBK-EESN 

I think the above uses 5400rpm drives (correct me if I'm wrong).

OR I could get 2 of these: https://www.ebuyer.com/791852-wd-red-nas-10-tb-internal-hdd-3-5-wd100efax-wd100efax?mkwid=s_dc&pcrid=51482414339&pkw=&pmt=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0If3nO6n3QIVz7ztCh2IUgq9EAQYASABEgJjDfD_BwE for £600 which is the same price as the duo external drive. WHY?! Why is it in this case cheaper to get the external drive?

Or for slightly cheaper I could get 2 of these: https://www.ebuyer.com/752932-seagate-ironwolf-10tb-3-5-nas-hard-drive-st10000vn0004

 

How does the lacie do 1000mbps+?

What's the exact model of drive in the wd duo?

 

I won't have my PC on 24/7. I also ideally want external drives as I'm not sure if I will stay with my PC or go laptop only (living situation may force change). My current PC is huge. I built it using a Coolermaster CM storm so it's too big should my living situation change.

 

Thank you

 

PS: Just checked the cost of some hard drives I bought back in 2011 (I store all invoices) to see how prices have changed. 

A 2TB Samsung F4 Spinpoint 5400rpm was £57 including VAT back in 2011. 

PRICES ARE STILL THE SAME 7 YEARS LATER: https://www.ebuyer.com/store/Storage/cat/Hard-Drive---Internal/2TB
WHYYYY?

[Electronics Wizardy]

well thunderbolt drives have always been pretty expensive and lacie is normally pretty expensive.

 

Thunderbolt explains the speed and raid.

 

WD due is red drives  think, but there is no garanteed model

 

 

 

What are you storing on here? Id just get the normal 8 tb wd or seagate external.

 

[grangervoldemort]

1 hour ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

well thunderbolt drives have always been pretty expensive and lacie is normally pretty expensive.

 

Thunderbolt explains the speed and raid.

 

WD due is red drives  think, but there is no garanteed model

 

 

 

What are you storing on here? Id just get the normal 8 tb wd or seagate external.

 

Appreciate the reply but doesn't answer anything really. 

Thunderbolt is a connection type. You need to explain much more than just 'cus it's thunderbolt'. Assume you are talking to a dumbo.

WD Duo IS red. Written on the site. BUT it doesn't specify WHICH. There are PRO versions too and for all I know, these could be custom designed ones just for the duo which could be worse. 

 

I didn't list any Seagate external drive.

 

I am starting a YouTube channel. So mainly videos. 

 

Already used up 7TB of drives. Need more and currently have no backup nor redundancy.

Any ideas for backup? Ideally offsite obviously (live at home). Cloud storage likely won't offer enough space and how safe is it if it's on a server on the internet?! Googling 'Google Cloud Storage' brings up links for business stuff that makes no sense to me. 

 

Drives are a bit of a mess. 

As follows:

 

Samsung Spinpoint 1TB x2 (2010 and 2011 models bought new at the time)

Samsung Spinpoint 2TB x2 ((2011 models bought new at the time) - mostly kept off (I have a Lian Li HDD individual power switch thingymobob).

Random old 500GB Hitachi 2006

Random old 250GB Toshiba pulled out from my bros old 2009 Macbook

Random old 250GB Western Digital 2007 that I think came out of a cousins old 2nd hand (he bought it used I think) old laptop. It makes clicking noises but not constant. One every about.... 20 seconds or so. No clicking when the drive is in use.

Decided to try putting it into the 2.5 inch front dock my CM Storm case has today and for some reason the SATA port or cable isn't working.

When i tried sliding it in there it doesn't and didn't go in smoothly. I haven't used that dock ever. Tried it for the 1st time today. It's poorly designed. The drive went in slanted and I was still pushing with some force and eventually it went. Hard to explain. I notice there is a dent on the top of the drive, but it could have been there before.

 

Hot swap is ON.

 

Either way after pulling it out from the front 2.5inch quick dock and putting it into a external hdd caddy that I have laying on my table opened up to allow for quick HDD swaps, Windows told me it needs to run check disk. Tried letting it run multiple times and cancelling because I kept changing my mind. 

Tried leaving it for about an hour and it had barely made any progress. 

Well what I discovered is most of the videos DON'T WORK on that drive. The ones in folders do. But the ones that are on the drive NOT in folders don't.

 

WTF.

 

So now I have the drive sitting on the desk. Need to clear some space on one of the 2TB drives to attempt to salvage via transfer what I can from this WD 250GB. REALLY want the videos though. Had some really good videos on there. Hard drive recovery center with a clean room would probably cost £1,000.

 

Used that drive and the 500GB and other 250GB out of desperation as I vlog on my phone which only has a 128GB microSD which gets full after about a month or some weeks of vlogging each day for around 20-40 minutes, so my phone kept getting full. No idea how reliable the drives are considering their ages and sources. 

 

Will be moving onto higher quality cameras so much larger file sizes, so more space will be needed. Don't want to delete any original footage, nor edited videos. 

 

Thanks for your reply.

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, grangervoldemort said:

Thunderbolt is a connection type. You need to explain much more than just 'cus it's thunderbolt'. Assume you are talking to a dumbo.

Look at the price of thunderbolt devices, they always have a premium over USB. also thunderbolt is 40gb/s max vs usb at 10gb/s max

 

1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

WD Duo IS red. Written on the site. BUT it doesn't specify WHICH

There no red pros normally, but no model is garanteed.

 

1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

I am starting a YouTube channel. So mainly videos. 

Then Id get a ssd for editing, and just get lots of cheaper externals for archiving footage.

 

But for starting you won't need that much space.

[grangervoldemort]

16 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Look at the price of thunderbolt devices, they always have a premium over USB. also thunderbolt is 40gb/s max vs usb at 10gb/s max

 

There no red pros normally, but no model is garanteed.

 

Then Id get a ssd for editing, and just get lots of cheaper externals for archiving footage.

 

But for starting you won't need that much space.

... I have filled up about 7TB of drives with mainly videos I told you. I do need lots of space already. I havent edited a single one nor uploaded due to my complex situation. My parents abuse me. It's complicated, so I can't upload and usually lay in bed all day year after year vlogging each day on my phone, rarely going out. Thus over 3 years I have accumulated many videos. Which are really crappy quality, especially as the are mostly indoors under artificial downlights, yet they consume a ton of space. The Galaxy S7 is awful for vlogging but if I use my G7X it has severe battery and heating issues which limits length of filming time etc etc. 

You're not being very helpful at all.

 

What do you mean SSD for editing? How would a SSD help in editing?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

What do you mean SSD for editing? How would a SSD help in editing?

Store videos on a ssd when editing them, it makes the editing much better and faster.

 

 

Do you have a budget in mind?

 

What os are you running?

 

Id probably just get a few of these drives.https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STEB8000100/dp/B01HAPGEIE

 

Store one or two off site and swap them out for backups. Then keep a few local for storage. There much cheaper per gb than the multi drive enclosures. Split videos by date between drives.

 

Then get a 500gb or 1tb drive for current editing project. Makes the editing much faster.

 

[grangervoldemort]

Will other people please provide input. Thank you

On 07/09/2018 at 10:03 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

Store videos on a ssd when editing them, it makes the editing much better and faster.

 

So would I just transfer all clips onto the ssd, edit and export to the ssd, upload and then save the edited version to another drive and delete everything (transferred clips + export) from the ssd? Sounds long.

 

On 07/09/2018 at 10:03 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

Do you have a budget in mind?

Not really. Just not £1,500 for 20TB. I notice Casey Neistat uses these 20TB £1,500 drives, but he has a lot of money. 

 

Why do you think Casey uses redundancy (he never mentions backups, but he does say he uses redundancy) considering they are only archived drives and not in daily use?

And why those Thunderbolt drives? Surely he doesn't need such speed considering they are archived drives?

 

On 07/09/2018 at 10:03 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

What os are you running?

I have both a Windows and a Mac. Will decide to stick with one or the other at some point. Trying to use drives between the OS's is a pain the butt. even though I have NTFS software (scared of corrupted data etc as it is apparently not that reliable to use a NTFS drive on a mac with NTFS software).

 

On 07/09/2018 at 10:03 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

 

Id probably just get a few of these drives.https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STEB8000100/dp/B01HAPGEIE

I live in the UK. Those drives aren't available here. 
I'm also not sure how safe/reliable (might be a fake product for example), ordering PC parts on Amazon is. I have always bought my parts from reputable online stores.

Why do people like i-justine buy the G drives that cost so much more? (Look at the top of the pile of drives) :

Searching for 8TB external drive here in the UK on Google shows an expensive selection of drives compared to what you linked.... and yes the drive appears to be available, but on a site called newegg which I think is an American only site, and the same drive is more expensive than the one there on the USA Amazon link you gave me.

The case on that looks drive is cheap and likely to break if travelling, but I suppose it's fine for archiving: https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/253752721039?chn=ps - See, cheap tacky case.

 

On 07/09/2018 at 10:03 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

Store one or two off site and swap them out for backups. Then keep a few local for storage. There much cheaper per gb than the multi drive enclosures. Split videos by date between drives.

Please explain where I would store the drives 'offsite'? In a bush outside?!!

What do you mean store swap them out for backups?

Again I appreciate the replies but you aren't being very helpful. 

 

On 07/09/2018 at 10:03 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

Then get a 500gb or 1tb drive for current editing project. Makes the editing much faster.

 

Do you mean a SSD 500GB or 1TB?

 

You miss many things I ask such as cloud storage.

Re-read all my messages and reply point by point please, with in depth replies.

 

 

 

 

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

So would I just transfer all clips onto the ssd, edit and export to the ssd, upload and then save the edited version to another drive and delete everything (transferred clips + export) from the ssd? Sounds long.

Yea basically. Copy to the ssd to edit, copy back to hdd when done. Sounds like a lot of work, but its just 2 file moves and really speeds up editing as ssd as so much faster and have much lower latencies.

 

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

I have both a Windows and a Mac. Will decide to stick with one or the other at some point. Trying to use drives between the OS's is a pain the butt. even though I have NTFS software (scared of corrupted data etc as it is apparently not that reliable to use a NTFS drive on a mac with NTFS software).

Best way for this is exFAT, works well on both oses.

 

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

Do you mean a SSD 500GB or 1TB?

Id get 1tb if you can afford it. You can get them under 200 usd now.

 

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

Please explain where I would store the drives 'offsite'? In a bush outside?!!

What do you mean store swap them out for backups?

Again I appreciate the replies but you aren't being very helpful. 

If you want your data to be safe if something happened to you hours(like a fire) you need to put the drives off site some one. A friends hours, work, safe deposit boxes all work well. DOn't have all your data in one location

 

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

You miss many things I ask such as cloud storage.

You kinda said you didn't want to use it so I didn't go into depth,  look at solution like backblaze backup solution, But unless you have fast internet, cloud probably won't be cheap for this much data.

 

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

avelling, but I suppose it's fine for archiving: https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/253752721039?chn=ps - See, cheap tacky case.

 

 

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

I live in the UK. Those drives aren't available here. 
I'm also not sure how safe/reliable (might be a fake product for example), ordering PC parts on Amazon is. I have always bought my parts from reputable online stores.

Amazon is fine for pc parts.

 

How about something like this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Desktop-External-Creative-Photography/dp/B01IAD5ZC6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1536515802&sr=8-4&keywords=8tb+hdd

 

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

Why do people like i-justine buy the G drives that cost so much more?

 

9 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

 

Why do you think Casey uses redundancy (he never mentions backups, but he does say he uses redundancy) considering they are only archived drives and not in daily use?

And why those Thunderbolt drives? Surely he doesn't need such speed considering they are archived drives?

Few reason. Some people like the brands.

 

Also they normally have the money to spend on this.

 

Then can alo be faster with thunderbolt versions, and extra speed is always nice.

 

[grangervoldemort]

3 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Yea basically. Copy to the ssd to edit, copy back to hdd when done. Sounds like a lot of work, but its just 2 file moves and really speeds up editing as ssd as so much faster and have much lower latencies.

 

Best way for this is exFAT, works well on both oses.

I know exfat. It has a max file size limitation that you can transfer of 4GB. Useless.  Think man before you reply. 

3 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

 

Id get 1tb if you can afford it. You can get them under 200 usd now.

 

If you want your data to be safe if something happened to you hours(like a fire) you need to put the drives off site some one. A friends hours, work, safe deposit boxes all work well. DOn't have all your data in one location

Yes but I have no friends or any other place to put them. I know what offsite backing up is. But what is a safe deposit box? Quick Google search shows me you have to pay for it. Don't have the money for such long term contracts.

 

3 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

 

You kinda said you didn't want to use it so I didn't go into depth,  look at solution like backblaze backup solution, But unless you have fast internet, cloud probably won't be cheap for this much data.

No I said more than that. Please read all my messages again carefully.

3 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

 

Amazon is fine for pc parts.

 

How about something like this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Desktop-External-Creative-Photography/dp/B01IAD5ZC6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1536515802&sr=8-4&keywords=8tb+hdd

 

That drive is £30 more than the USA Seagate you linked me to.

3 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

 

Few reason. Some people like the brands.

 

Also they normally have the money to spend on this.

 

Then can alo be faster with thunderbolt versions, and extra speed is always nice.

 

Your answers are all lacking.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

know exfat. It has a max file size limitation that you can transfer of 4GB. Useless.  Think man before you reply. 

No it doesn't, thats fat32. exFAT has a limit of 128PiB file size.

 

1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

Yes but I have no friends or any other place to put them. I know what offsite backing up is. But what is a safe deposit box? Quick Google search shows me you have to pay for it. Don't have the money for such long term contracts.

Well you need a offsite backup if you want data to be safe. A safe depist box is a small secure box at a bank, normally about 50usd a year, Pretty cheap price for keeping data safe. You can also go cloud, but you have a lot of data, and upload times are long

 

4 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

That drive is £30 more than the USA Seagate you linked me to.

Prices are different around the world.

 

4 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Your answers are all lacking.

What do you want dude? I said Get some external hdds. Ask more specfic questions. A hard budget helps here. Im trying here with what I got.

 

 

[grangervoldemort]

Metro Bank is one of the only banks to provide these deposit boxes, which it says customers made clear they wanted. There are five different sizes available, which range from £120 to £480 a year, and each box has two keys – one for the customer and one for the bank. 

 

More than twice as expensive here in the uk. And only a few banks still offer them. None are anywhere near me.

 

I get 0.7Mbps UPLOAD speed. Don't think backing up online even with 'unlimited' storage on offer will work. 
 

Results:

Speed: 0.7 mbps
Size: 7 TB
25631 Hours, 51 Minutes and 28 Seconds
 

That's 1067.9583 DAYS

 

THATS 3 YEARS OF 24/7 UPLOADING!!!!!

 

Wonder what Casey does for backing up considering he has SO MUCH data. 100's of Terabytes.

 

Do you think I SHOULDN'T use RAID?

 

What should I do for offsite backup as I don't have a place I can store them offsite?

[grangervoldemort]

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