IS this a bottleneck?

[Jaffkam]

So I have been having this issue ever since I've gotten the pc. In GTA 5, my fps goes UP when I crank my setting UP. Usually higher settings result in lower frame rate, but I get higher fps! AND when I turn my setting DOWN, my fps goes DOWN. I have not a single clue to why this happens. I am thinking it's a bottleneck between my cpu and gpu. BUT more graphically heavy games like Warhammer Vermintide 2, its normal; I turn the setting up, fps goes down, I turn the setting down, fps goes up (I think Warhammer Vermintide 2 is a gpu heavy game). BUT the weirdest thing of all is that in games like Farcry 4, CSGO, and The Forest, my fps DOESN'T CHANGE AT ALL! No matter if I turn the settings up or down! My fps in Farcry stays at 40-60 in CSGO stays at 80-160 and in The Forest is at 40-60 (I do NOT have v-sync on by the way).

 

For any of those who want to know my component usages for games,

CPU under load: %99   and   99* temp

GPU under load: %60-99    and    50*ish temp

 

SPECS:

CPU: i7 870 @ 2.93 GHZ

GPU: MSI GTX 1050 2GB OC

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB (7200 RPM)

 

I know I know my cpu temp is crazzzy high, I am saving up for a cooler... But other than that do you think I should upgrade my graphics card? I was looking to upgrade my GPU to a GTX 1070 or 1080/1080ti. Will that cause an ever bigger bottleneck? I do not no because I dont know if my cpu is bottlenecking my gpu, and I need a cpu upgrade, or vice versa..

 

Help would be greatly appreciated

-Jaffery 

[Jurrunio]

saving up for a CPU cooler, yet considering a graphics card upgrade? Seems like you have no clue in 'priorities'.

[xg32]

11 minutes ago, Jaffkam said:

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probably should upgrade to ryzen and use the free cooler that comes with, upgrading your gpu with your current cpu is...weird to say the least.

[FrozenKittyGamer]

I'm not at all an expert at computers but the system looks fine to me. Upgrading to a 1070 or 1080 would be a very bad choice for that system, you would have a massive bottleneck.

[Fasauceome]

That is a downright dangerous cpu temp. Do you not actually have a cooler attached to it whatsoever? That chip will die real fast if you don't get the temps down. Screw saving, just get a hyper 212 Evo or something

[imjune]

Well if I were to built a PC, CPU cooler is the last thing I want to buy. Because even with a stock cooler, it can still handle a little OC on the CPU. So unless you plan on OCing it higher, you actually don't need a new cooler. 

In your case, 99 C is too high. Whether it's used for gaming, benchmarking, bottleneck or other stuff, 99 is too hot. Before upgrading a cooler, try reseating the cooler and apply a good thermal paste. MX-4 or Thermalgrizzly could help bring the temp lower. Try google for the best way to apply thermal paste. 

The only thing you need to upgrade right now is of course your GPU. You're saving up for cooler but you're also talking about upgrading to 1080Ti? If you have the budget for 1080 TI, you can either go for 1080 + new cooler or 1080 Ti and keep your old cooler.

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, imjune said:

Well if I were to built a PC, CPU cooler is the last thing I want to buy. Because even with a stock cooler, it can still handle a little OC on the CPU. So unless you plan on OCing it higher, you actually don't need a new cooler. 

In your case, 99 C is too high. Whether it's used for gaming, benchmarking, bottleneck or other stuff, 99 is too hot. Before upgrading a cooler, try reseating the cooler and apply a good thermal paste. MX-4 or Thermalgrizzly could help bring the temp lower. Try google for the best way to apply thermal paste. 

The only thing you need to upgrade right now is of course your GPU. You're saving up for cooler but you're also talking about upgrading to 1080Ti? If you have the budget for 1080 TI, you can either go for 1080 + new cooler or 1080 Ti and keep your old cooler.

When was the last time you got a decent overclock on the current Intel stock cooler? I'll admit the old ones were hardcore, but these new aluminum chunks they're calling a "cooler" is an insult to any k-sku part

[Jaffkam]

 

26 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

saving up for a CPU cooler, yet considering a graphics card upgrade? Seems like you have no clue in 'priorities'.

I have to save up for the small stuff (My dad gives me like $20 a month) He buys the expensive things I want e.g a 1070 and such. Sorry for not being clear.

[Jaffkam]

7 minutes ago, imjune said:

Well if I were to built a PC, CPU cooler is the last thing I want to buy. Because even with a stock cooler, it can still handle a little OC on the CPU. So unless you plan on OCing it higher, you actually don't need a new cooler. 

In your case, 99 C is too high. Whether it's used for gaming, benchmarking, bottleneck or other stuff, 99 is too hot. Before upgrading a cooler, try reseating the cooler and apply a good thermal paste. MX-4 or Thermalgrizzly could help bring the temp lower. Try google for the best way to apply thermal paste. 

The only thing you need to upgrade right now is of course your GPU. You're saving up for cooler but you're also talking about upgrading to 1080Ti? If you have the budget for 1080 TI, you can either go for 1080 + new cooler or 1080 Ti and keep your old cooler.

Thanks for the suggestion

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Jaffkam said:

 

I have to save up for the small stuff (My dad gives me like $20 a month) He buys the expensive things I want e.g a 1070 and such. Sorry for not being clear.

If you make the cooler a big ticket item like a be quiet dark rock 4, you could probably not only cool the CPU appropriately, but also overclock more

[Jaffkam]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

If you make the cooler a big ticket item like a be quiet dark rock 4, you could probably not only cool the CPU appropriately, but also overclock more

Hmm.. If I overclock to say, 4 ghz, will it still bottleneck at 1070? 

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, Jaffkam said:

Hmm.. If I overclock to say, 4 ghz, will it still bottleneck at 1070? 

4 gigahertz is ambitious, but if you were to do so, I would say a 1070 would be appropriate. you should look up videos of your CPU paired with various graphics cards to find out what the performance gains would look like. I personally recommend a 1060 6gb because of the age of your cpu, you might get more value out of it.

[Jurrunio]

22 minutes ago, Jaffkam said:

 

I have to save up for the small stuff (My dad gives me like $20 a month) He buys the expensive things I want e.g a 1070 and such. Sorry for not being clear.

Your problem at the moment is CPU thermal throttling. Just solving this might not help much in GPU heavy games, but at least frame rates in CSGO shouls be more consistent.

 

20 minutes ago, Jaffkam said:

Hmm.. If I overclock to say, 4 ghz, will it still bottleneck at 1070? 

Considering me thinking my 2600k at 4.5GHz just the right CPU for the 1070, I'd say yes.

[imjune]

22 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

When was the last time you got a decent overclock on the current Intel stock cooler? I'll admit the old ones were hardcore, but these new aluminum chunks they're calling a "cooler" is an insult to any k-sku part

I know, it's not a good cooler and I didn't say decent OC. I just said little OC. It's not good, but if it came from the factory, it's been tested to handle the default load. A little beat tweaking would still do. The temp won't be low of course but still safe. That's why I said he only need to upgrade if he plans on OCing it higher. Either way he could just go for a cheap cooler running default clock. No need saving money for that, and just go with the GPU. Just like @Jaffkam said, priorities.

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, imjune said:

I know, it's not a good cooler and I didn't say decent OC. I just said little OC. It's not good, but if it came from the factory, it's been tested to handle the default load. A little beat tweaking would still do. The temp won't be low of course but still safe. That's why I said he only need to upgrade if he plans on OCing it higher. Either way he could just go for a cheap cooler running default clock. No need saving money for that, and just go with the GPU. Just like @Jaffkam said, priorities.

I7-8700 overheating with stock cooler...

 

Also, why would you suggest overclocking when it's clear that it's overheating now? This is beyond 'whether stock cooler can handle OC at all'.

[imjune]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I7-8700 overheating with stock cooler...

 

Also, why would you suggest overclocking when it's clear that it's overheating now? This is beyond 'whether stock cooler can handle OC at all'.

I didn't suggest you to OC since you already said it's running 99. I told you to check you cooler's seating and apply better thermal paste. Because although it's not good, stock cooler should be able to handle stock clock. If not, there's probably something wrong. Installation, air flow, ambient temp, thermal paste application, etc. It won't be as low as 60 C under load though, but I assume any normal temp that it should would be safe. 99 is not normal though.

 

From what I read, some people with the same proc get 86 C under full load, which bring your 99 is extremely unusual. Getting a good cooler is not so expensive that you need to save money, compared to your consideration upgrading to 1080 Ti. A $30 - $50 cooler can bring the temp about 10-20 C from stock (in my experience) depending on how your setups, paste and installation. Even my GPU was down 20 C just by reapplying a new and better thermal paste. 

 

You see, dealing with temperature is easy. There're so many ways to make it work. But getting a better graphics performance, there's only one way, upgrading GPU. No thermal paste or a fancy cooler can bring you higher FPS. And when you say 1080 Ti, I don't see any trouble if you change your cooler as well since it won't cost you that much, compared to the GPU's price.

[Jaffkam]

29 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I7-8700 overheating with stock cooler...

 

Also, why would you suggest overclocking when it's clear that it's overheating now? This is beyond 'whether stock cooler can handle OC at all'.

My cpu is NOT an i7 8700, I have a 1st gen i7 870... I can see where you got confused

[Artizard]

Definitely get a cooler soon, 99° is not good. New graphics card should be your last priority.

[Jaffkam]

56 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

4 gigahertz is ambitious, but if you were to do so, I would say a 1070 would be appropriate. you should look up videos of your CPU paired with various graphics cards to find out what the performance gains would look like. I personally recommend a 1060 6gb because of the age of your cpu, you might get more value out of it.

But I want a 1070 or 1080 because I will be upgrading my proc and motherboard in the future

[Jaffkam]

1 minute ago, Artizard said:

Definitely get a cooler soon, 99° is not good. New graphics card should be your last priority.

Yeah.. 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, imjune said:

I didn't suggest you to OC since you already said it's running 99. I told you to check you cooler's seating and apply better thermal paste. Because although it's not good, stock cooler should be able to handle stock clock. If not, there's probably something wrong. Installation, air flow, ambient temp, thermal paste application, etc. It won't be as low as 60 C under load though, but I assume any normal temp that it should would be safe. 99 is not normal though.

 

From what I read, some people with the same proc get 86 C under full load, which bring your 99 is extremely unusual. Getting a good cooler is not so expensive that you need to save money, compared to your consideration upgrading to 1080 Ti. A $30 - $50 cooler can bring the temp about 10-20 C from stock (in my experience) depending on how your setups, paste and installation. Even my GPU was down 20 C just by reapplying a new and better thermal paste. 

 

You see, dealing with temperature is easy. There're so many ways to make it work. But getting a better graphics performance, there's only one way, upgrading GPU. No thermal paste or a fancy cooler can bring you higher FPS. And when you say 1080 Ti, I don't see any trouble if you change your cooler as well since it won't cost you that much, compared to the GPU's price.

I guess two names that start with J are confusing? I'm not the original poster, and I dont use an i7-870 atm

 

replacing thermal paste is a good idea, but since the current (not good) cooler's gonna go anyway, no point in wasting paste on it.

 

A new cooler can also bring extra fps. Note that currently the CPU is thermal throttling, which means its slowing down further from its stock speed. In CPU heavy games like csgo (with minimum graphics settings obviously), that CPU throttling can lower frame rates

 

1 minute ago, Jaffkam said:

My cpu is NOT an i7 8700, I have a 1st gen i7 870... I can see where you got confused

I didnt. I'm just using 8700 as an example to show that @imjune is wrong on his view on Intel stock cooler.

 

Buying new paste for a CPU cooler on a CPU you want to squeeze performance out is a waste of money imo. You can improve cooling a lot with a cooler upgrade and these days they come with a new tube of paste anyway

 

4 minutes ago, Jaffkam said:

But I want a 1070 or 1080 because I will be upgrading my proc and motherboard in the future

in terms of high end cards, 1070ti and 1080 are much better value than the 1070. Just say'in

[Jaffkam]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I guess two names that start with J are confusing? I'm not the original poster, and I dont use an i7-870 atm

 

replacing thermal paste is a good idea, but since the current (not good) cooler's gonna go anyway, no point in wasting paste on it.

 

A new cooler can also bring extra fps. Note that currently the CPU is thermal throttling, which means its slowing down further from its stock speed. In CPU heavy games like csgo (with minimum graphics settings obviously), that CPU throttling can lower frame rates

 

I didnt. I'm just using 8700 as an example to show that @imjune is wrong on his view on Intel stock cooler.

 

Buying new paste for a CPU cooler on a CPU you want to squeeze performance out is a waste of money imo. You can improve cooling a lot with a cooler upgrade and these days they come with a new tube of paste anyway

 

in terms of high end cards, 1070ti and 1080 are much better value than the 1070. Just say'in

Ok, I'll prob go with the 1080 or 1080ti.. For the CPU cooler, someone suggested one, but any cheap ones out there? If you link one please do amazon.CA. Also I need some thermal paste, so a link to that would be good unless the cooler comes with paste.

[Supportsneedlove]

7 hours ago, Jaffkam said:

i7 870 @ 2.93 GHZ

I'd say get a good cooler and OC, most of those CPU's can handle 4 GHz. It really only depends on your PSU. Your GPU should also perform a good bit better with the higher clock.

[Jurrunio]

10 hours ago, Jaffkam said:

Ok, I'll prob go with the 1080 or 1080ti.. For the CPU cooler, someone suggested one, but any cheap ones out there? If you link one please do amazon.CA. Also I need some thermal paste, so a link to that would be good unless the cooler comes with paste.

any size constraints?

[Jaffkam]

17 hours ago, Supportsneedlove said:

I'd say get a good cooler and OC, most of those CPU's can handle 4 GHz. It really only depends on your PSU. Your GPU should also perform a good bit better with the higher clock.

OK, thanks!