First Build, First CPU conundrum

[AvogadrosDog]

Hello guys,

 

I apologise if I'm re-running an old themed story or dilemma here but after scrolling through various forums, reviews and such I have come to a dead end. I have no idea what is the right pick anymore.

 

I am building a computer for the second time (the previous was from old parts and for fun - I got it to work but that's not hard really). This PC will be mostly for gaming (looking to start at 1080p and eventually moving up to the realm of 1440) as well as for some work - nothing heavy just light data analytical tools such as SigmaPlot, R and maybe some labview programming.

 

Initially I opted for an i5-8400 but felt tempted to upgrade a bit. My current selection includes R5 2600/2600X, i5-8600k, R7 2700 and i7-8700. The latter is slightly unlikely as it is beginning to weigh heavily on my budget (800-1000 maximum).

 

Could you help a guy out please?

 

With respect to gaming I will be playing CS:GO, Overwatch, Battlefield V, DOTA2 and Dark Souls 3.

 

Many thanks.

[ZeouLs]

R5 1600X is the best bang/buck. Iirc the 1600x has a better cooler than the 2600x but I might be wrong

[GoldenLag]

What budget and country?

Do you keed OS/peripherals to be included?

Do you also want a monitor?

 

I will cook up something for you in pcpartpicker

[GoldenLag]

10 minutes ago, ZeouLs said:

R5 1600X is the best bang/buck. Iirc the 1600x has a better cooler than the 2600x but I might be wrong

R5 1600 is better than the 1600x in terms of value. Also the 2600 is so closely priced to the 1600 its very few reasons to run it

[AvogadrosDog]

7 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

What budget and country?

Do you keed OS/peripherals to be included?

Do you also want a monitor?

 

I will cook up something for you in pcpartpicker

My budget was stated above - £800 to £1000

Country: UK

 

No, I'm focusing on the PC itself at the moment - OS I can get from a friend and the rest I can get via a different budget.

 

Oh, I'd enjoy seeing builds suggested by others, definitely. Much appreciated!

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, xandredu said:

My budget was stated above - £800 to £1000

Country: UK

 

No, I'm focusing on the PC itself at the moment - OS I can get from a friend and the rest I can get via a different budget.

 

Oh, I'd enjoy seeing builds suggested by others, definitely. Much appreciated!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  (£149.99 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler  (£19.99 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£91.96 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£79.74 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£51.59 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£47.94 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Devil Video Card  (£229.45 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£61.90 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£79.98 @ Box Limited) 
Total: £812.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 15:48 BST+0100

 

This is on the lower end of the budget. Ill cook up something on the higher end if you want to, but the only real difference between them will be swapping the GPU with a 1070

[Firewrath9]

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nWBJpG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nWBJpG/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (£194.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B450M-K Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£68.39 @ Aria PC) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£137.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£70.80 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£29.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Titanium Video Card  (£387.46 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£40.55 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 500W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£64.79 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £994.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 16:01 BST+0100

higher end with  a 2600X and a 1070 ti

[Firewrath9]

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gbTRw6
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gbTRw6/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  (£159.54 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B360M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£71.79 @ CCL Computers) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£128.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£70.80 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£29.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Devil Video Card  (£229.45 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£40.55 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 500W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£64.79 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £795.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 16:03 BST+0100

 

lower end with a i5-8400 and rx 580 8GB

[AvogadrosDog]

40 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  (£149.99 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler  (£19.99 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£91.96 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£79.74 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£51.59 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£47.94 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Devil Video Card  (£229.45 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£61.90 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£79.98 @ Box Limited) 
Total: £812.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 15:48 BST+0100

 

This is on the lower end of the budget. Ill cook up something on the higher end if you want to, but the only real difference between them will be swapping the GPU with a 1070

That looks great! I was thinking of opting for the R5 2600 especially when a lot of AMD build guides from part picker suggested R5 2600 but sites like Tom's hardware recommended the 2600X over the 2600, can anyway elaborate further as to why? I'm sorry to say I didn't really understand the reasoning.

 

I forgot to mention that I have already a Corsair RM650X from a friend who had a spare brand new one for some reason so can reduce the cost of that as well as a 2.5" FireCude 2TB SSHD that was originally for my PS4 Pro but have since decided to sell the PS4 Pro and put money towards the PC build - apologies for this blunder of mine.

 

Could I see a higher spec one please? What are the key parts you would substitute?

 

Thank you again for doing this for me!

[AvogadrosDog]

25 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nWBJpG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nWBJpG/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (£194.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B450M-K Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£68.39 @ Aria PC) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£137.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£70.80 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£29.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Titanium Video Card  (£387.46 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£40.55 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 500W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£64.79 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £994.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 16:01 BST+0100

higher end with  a 2600X and a 1070 ti

Thanks for the input! I like this build also but as by my previous post why did you pick the 2600X over the 2600? Just out of curiosity. 

 

I'm happy to finally receive clarification over the best CPU for my needs (R5 2600/X)

[Firewrath9]

1 minute ago, xandredu said:

Thanks for the input! I like this build also but as by my previous post why did you pick the 2600X over the 2600? Just out of curiosity. 

 

I'm happy to finally receive clarification over the best CPU for my needs (R5 2600/X)

2600X has a higher base clock and a better cooler.

It's a slightly higher binned 2600 with a better cooler.

if you want, you can just get a 2600 and a nice cooler like a cryorig h7 or arctic esports one.

[AvogadrosDog]

Just now, Firewrath9 said:

2600X has a higher base clock and a better cooler.

It's a slightly higher binned 2600 with a better cooler.

if you want, you can just get a 2600 and a nice cooler like a cryorig h7 or arctic esports one.

So you're happy that the stock cooler for the 2600X will be sufficient for some OCing in the future? And what turned you away from the i5-8600k for my build? Sorry about all the questions but I also want to learn a bit whilst I go through this process 

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, xandredu said:

That looks great! I was thinking of opting for the R5 2600 especially when a lot of AMD build guides from part picker suggested R5 2600 but sites like Tom's hardware recommended the 2600X over the 2600, can anyway elaborate further as to why? I'm sorry to say I didn't really understand the reasoning.

 

I forgot to mention that I have already a Corsair RM650X from a friend who had a spare brand new one for some reason so can reduce the cost of that as well as a 2.5" FireCude 2TB SSHD that was originally for my PS4 Pro but have since decided to sell the PS4 Pro and put money towards the PC build - apologies for this blunder of mine.

 

Could I see a higher spec one please? What are the key parts you would substitute?

 

Thank you again for doing this for me!

2600x is opted due to the better cooler and boost and base clock. 

 

Yeah ill give an update on higher spec

[GoldenLag]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  (£199.98 @ Scan.co.uk) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  (£57.05 @ More Computers) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£91.96 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£137.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£77.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB DUKE Video Card  (£351.06 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£61.90 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £977.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 16:42 BST+0100

 

The changes. I hesitated on the 1800x, but it was on a very nice deal, so why not. You can swap the 1800x if you want with the 2600 or 2600x if you want to 

 

The reason for not going to intel is the pricehike to the point whem swapping is considerable

[AvogadrosDog]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  (£199.98 @ Scan.co.uk) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  (£57.05 @ More Computers) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£91.96 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£137.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£77.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB DUKE Video Card  (£351.06 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£61.90 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £977.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 16:42 BST+0100

 

The changes. I hesitated on the 1800x, but it was on a very nice deal, so why not. You can swap the 1800x if you want with the 2600 or 2600x if you want to 

 

The reason for not going to intel is the pricehike to the point whem swapping is considerable

Performance-wise the intel and ryzen are evenly matched all-round?

 

That looks amazing, I'll have a closer look through cpu.benchmark.com between the 1800X and the 2600X! I'm really liking the build! Thanks man

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, xandredu said:

Performance-wise the intel and ryzen are evenly matched all-round?

At the pricepoint at the 2600 yes. You will need to step up to an 8600k or 8700k and a Z series board before i think its worth it, but that is mot the kind of budget we are working with

[AvogadrosDog]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

At the pricepoint at the 2600 yes. You will need to step up to an 8600k or 8700k and a Z series board before i think its worth it, but that is mot the kind of budget we are working with

What kind of budget would allow for that do you think? Could you suggest a moderate i5-8600k build please for comparison purposes please?

[GoldenLag]

Just now, xandredu said:

What kind of budget would allow for that do you think? Could you suggest a moderate i5-8600k build please for comparison purposes please?

Give me a few min

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, xandredu said:

What kind of budget would allow for that do you think? Could you suggest a moderate i5-8600k build please for comparison purposes please?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (£218.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  (£57.05 @ More Computers) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£148.86 @ More Computers) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£137.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£77.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB DUKE Video Card  (£351.06 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£61.90 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £1053.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 16:54 BST+0100

 

This it. To fit within 1000£ you would drop the 1070ti to a 1070.

 

Not as bad pricing as i first thought.

 

Performance in this build has been increased in older titles, newer ones are similar to the other build. (Assuming the 2600 choice in the other build, note that the 1800x is 200£ leanwhile the 2600 is £150 i believe)

[Firewrath9]

19 minutes ago, xandredu said:

So you're happy that the stock cooler for the 2600X will be sufficient for some OCing in the future? And what turned you away from the i5-8600k for my build? Sorry about all the questions but I also want to learn a bit whilst I go through this process 

the 8600k is 20$ more, and you need to buy a better cooler and motherboard

so its basically for 2600X, 195+70$ mobo. vs 8600k = 220+30-50$ cooler+100$ mobo

if the 8600k was 20$ less, it might've been an option

5 minutes ago, xandredu said:

What kind of budget would allow for that do you think? Could you suggest a moderate i5-8600k build please for comparison purposes please?

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FNZDQZ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FNZDQZ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (£218.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (£34.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£121.91 @ Ebuyer) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£137.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£70.80 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£29.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Titanium Video Card  (£387.46 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£40.55 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 500W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£64.79 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £1106.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 16:58 BST+0100

[Firewrath9]

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

-snip-

you need a PSU in that build and he probably needs more than 500gb of storage.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Firewrath9 said:

you need a PSU

 

34 minutes ago, xandredu said:

I forgot to mention that I have already a Corsair RM650X from a friend who had a spare brand new one for some reason so can reduce the cost of that as well as a 2.5" FireCude 2TB SSHD that was originally for my PS4 Pro but have since decided to sell the PS4 Pro and put money towards the PC build - apologies for this blunder of mine.

yeah, i know. it was on purpose

[Firewrath9]

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7J2n9J
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7J2n9J/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (£218.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (£34.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£121.91 @ Ebuyer) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£128.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£70.80 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Titanium Video Card  (£387.46 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£40.55 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Total: £1003.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 17:04 BST+0100

 

that's with the pre-purchased firecuda and PSU now its around 1000S.

revised 2600X list coming up

[Firewrath9]

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JxjCZR
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JxjCZR/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (£194.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£105.63 @ Box Limited) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£137.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£70.80 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  (£444.99 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£69.98 @ Novatech) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Total: £1023.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 17:07 BST+0100

revised ed.

now with 1080 and full size ATX w/ tempered glass case

[AvogadrosDog]

10 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (£218.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  (£57.05 @ More Computers) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£148.86 @ More Computers) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£137.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£77.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB DUKE Video Card  (£351.06 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£61.90 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £1053.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-28 16:54 BST+0100

 

This it. To fit within 1000£ you would drop the 1070ti to a 1070.

 

Not as bad pricing as i first thought.

 

Performance in this build has been increased in older titles, newer ones are similar to the other build. (Assuming the 2600 choice in the other build, note that the 1800x is 200£ leanwhile the 2600 is £150 i believe)

Amazing. I'm struggling now to choose between this build and the higher spec 2600X build that you also suggested to be honest. I feel like the fact that apparently AMD are sticking with the same socket until 2020 (I heard) may be favourable for possible future upgrading? Whilst intel has a habit of changing sockets every year case-in-point Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake? What do you think? If given the same two builds with the same budget and in my position which would you pick?