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I have an older AMD Phenom II X4 955 processor with 32gbs of ram and I recently got an RX580 8gb card that I use mainly for gaming but when I play games it runs them in DirectX 9 instead of 12 and the 32bit version even though I have a 64bit version of windows 10 pro is the CPU acting as a bottleneck for my graphics card? And also will upgrading to a Ryzen 7 2700x give much of a performance boost?  I am planning on doing that within the month.

 

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reinstall the OS

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Older games are DX9 and 32-bit, yes. Current games are all at least DX10 and higher and pretty much all AAA titles are 64-bit. The Phenom will botlleneck the 580, for sure, but this is not how you can tell.

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

reinstall the OS

what good would that do? it is a 64 bit OS already... and this install was done on this hardware

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That CPU is no good for an RX 580. You really need to change it to take advantage of your GPU at all.

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Just now, Konrad_K said:

That CPU is no good for an RX 580. You really need to change it to take advantage of your GPU at all.

ok that's what I was thinking but I wanted to confirm thank you :) 

 

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7 minutes ago, JDOGWIN said:

what good would that do? it is a 64 bit OS already... and this install was done on this hardware

64bit OS sure, but you said it's running 32bit and DX9 right? Unless the games are that old, this shouldnt be happening. I suppose some software went wrong, and reinstalling the OS is the fastest way to fix software problems.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

64bit OS sure, but you said it's running 32bit and DX9 right? Unless the games are that old, this shouldnt be happening. I suppose some software went wrong, and reinstalling the OS is the fastest way to fix software problems.

I figured it out... so it is a new game but they are still running DirectX 9... so yeah... its on the Devs

 

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Just now, JDOGWIN said:

I figured it out... so it is a new game but they are still running DirectX 9... so yeah... its on the Devs

 

how new? Is it one of those indie games?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

how new? Is it one of those indie games?

It is called Black Squad and it is still in early access on steam.

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Its 100% up to devs if the game uses 32 or 64 bit and DX 9/10/11/12 or OGL 4.3/4.4/4.5 or Vulkan.

 

That CPU is a HUGE limiting factor for game performance.  Expect ~2x performance or more in CPU limited games with Ryzen, even the lowly R5 1400.

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1 minute ago, JDOGWIN said:

It is called Black Squad and it is still in early access on steam.

ugh, then just wait for devs to fix things. Early access games use hardware power poorly most of the time.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, KarathKasun said:

Its 100% up to devs if the game uses 32 or 64 bit and DX 9/10/11/12 or OGL 4.3/4.4/4.5 or Vulkan.

 

That CPU is a HUGE limiting factor for game performance.  Expect ~2x performance or more in CPU limited games with Ryzen, even the lowly R5 1400.

Well it is better than the core 2 duo I had before this... but yeah... I cant run a lot of newer titles...

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

ugh, then just wait for devs to fix things. Early access games use hardware power poorly most of the time.

Ok will do :) awesome Thanks everyone :) I am very glad I thought about asking here

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1 minute ago, JDOGWIN said:

Well it is better than the core 2 duo I had before this... but yeah... I cant run a lot of newer titles...

Core 2 Quad is on the same level of performance as Phenom II X4, Core 2 Duo is about the same as Phenom II X2.

 

FX is actually about the same performance per Ghz as well, it just clocks higher.

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7 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Core 2 Quad is on the same level of performance as Phenom II X4, Core 2 Duo is about the same as Phenom II X2.

 

FX is actually about the same performance per Ghz as well, it just clocks higher.

good to know...

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If you want to economize your upgrade, look for a Sandy Bridge (ex. i7-2600k), Ivy Bridge (ex. i7-3770k), or Haswell (ex. i7-4770k) CPU and appropriate motherboard.  These are as fast as it gets while still being able to use your current investment into DDR3.  Haswell in particular is about equal to Ryzen, core for core and ghz for ghz.

 

Also keep an eye out for their server counterparts (E3 12XX no V#/V2/V3), they work in normal desktop boards but have no integrated graphics.

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5 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

If you want to economize your upgrade, look for a Sandy Bridge (ex. i7-2600k), Ivy Bridge (ex. i7-3770k), or Haswell (ex. i7-4770k) CPU and appropriate motherboard.  These are as fast as it gets while still being able to use your current investment into DDR3.  Haswell in particular is about equal to Ryzen, core for core and ghz for ghz.

 

Also keep an eye out for their server counterparts (E3 12XX no V#/V2/V3), they work in normal desktop boards but have no integrated graphics.

I know what you are saying but I already have the DDR4 for my upgrade to modern tech lol :)

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1 minute ago, JDOGWIN said:

I know what you are saying but I already have the DDR4 for my upgrade to modern tech lol :)

Yeah, 32gb of DDR4 is likely 50% of the cost of CPU/MB/RAM is why I was making the suggestion. xD

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2 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Yeah, 32gb of DDR4 is likely 50% of the cost of CPU/MB/RAM is why I was making the suggestion. xD

lol I know I got it all for free though so... I may just sell it

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