Building machine for code development & photo/video editing

[oisie]

1. Budget & Location

800 - 1200 eur. Europe.

 

2. Aim

I do full-stack Javascript development. I also edit raw photos with Adobe Lightroom and 1080p or 4K video with Adobe After Effects. I want it to be silent yet powerful.

 

3. Monitors

one 4K, already have it LG 27UD68

 

4. Peripherals

I have a keyboard, mouse, and USB-C to all kind of stuff adapter. Would love to have at least 1 USB-C port. Will use Windows 10. My phone is using USB-C also.

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

I had this at 2015 Q4:

 

 

2017 December I bought apple MacBook pro:

 

 

And next week I will try to return it because of keyboard failure. This machine is slow for me. Can't edit photos on it. It's way too slow or gets hot and becomes slow.

So now I want to go back to a desktop. This was an expensive experiment to move to the notebook & mac. At 2017 I had many issues with JavaScript tools and windows but now stuff changed. 

 

So my new set:

 

Intel Core i7-8700 Hexacore 3.2Ghz 12MB with base cooler 315eur

ASRock B360 PRO4 INTEL B360 Series, LGA1151, 4DDR4, 6x SATA3 89eur

Corsaire Vengeance LPX 4x8GB 2666MHz DDR4 CL16 DIMM 1.2V Unbuffered 365eur

Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB 122eur

Be Quiet! Pure base 600 case 74eur

Corsaire PSU RM750X 750W GOLD Modular 112eur

 

I don't do much of video editing but plan to. I need only 1080p but 4K is nice-to-have.

I will do quite a bit of RAW photo editing on this machine and the old machine was quite OK so I assume this one will handle easily.

I love the fact that be quiet! pure base 600 case will keep stuff silent. I work often in a very quiet place and I don't want fans sound. 

Silence is the reason for this expensive PSU which rates at 750W. I would be perfectly fine with less but this one has the silent mode and fits in the case and I hope it will not run the fan for me. Seems like it will not turn fan till ~380W and I wonder if my set will ever consume that much. So for me, it's a passive cooling PSU. 

 

source: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm750x-power-supply,4303-5.html

 

 

Is this motherboard ok? Alternative case & PSU? RAM?

 

 

 

[Firewrath9]

12 minutes ago, oisie said:

1. Budget & Location

800 - 1200 eur. Europe.

 

2. Aim

I do full-stack Javascript development. I also edit raw photos with Adobe Lightroom and 1080p or 4K video with Adobe After Effects. I want it to be silent yet powerful.

 

3. Monitors

one 4K, already have it LG 27UD68

 

4. Peripherals

I have a keyboard, mouse, and USB-C to all kind of stuff adapter. Would love to have at least 1 USB-C port. Will use Windows 10. My phone is using USB-C also.

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

I had this at 2015 Q4:

 

 

2017 December I bought apple MacBook pro:

 

 

And next week I will try to return it because of keyboard failure. This machine is slow for me. Can't edit photos on it. It's way too slow or gets hot and becomes slow.

So now I want to go back to a desktop. This was an expensive experiment to move to the notebook & mac. At 2017 I had many issues with JavaScript tools and windows but now stuff changed. 

 

So my new set:

 

Intel Core i7-8700 Hexacore 3.2Ghz 12MB with base cooler 315eur

ASRock B360 PRO4 INTEL B360 Series, LGA1151, 4DDR4, 6x SATA3 89eur

Corsaire Vengeance LPX 4x8GB 2666MHz DDR4 CL16 DIMM 1.2V Unbuffered 365eur

Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB 122eur

Be Quiet! Pure base 600 case 74eur

Corsaire PSU RM750X 750W GOLD Modular 112eur

 

I don't do much of video editing but plan to. I need only 1080p but 4K is nice-to-have.

I will do quite a bit of RAW photo editing on this machine and the old machine was quite OK so I assume this one will handle easily.

I love the fact that be quiet! pure base 600 case will keep stuff silent. I work often in a very quiet place and I don't want fans sound. 

Silence is the reason for this expensive PSU which rates at 750W. I would be perfectly fine with less but this one has the silent mode and fits in the case and I hope it will not run the fan for me. Seems like it will not turn fan till ~380W and I wonder if my set will ever consume that much. So for me, it's a passive cooling PSU. 

 

source: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm750x-power-supply,4303-5.html

 

 

Is this motherboard ok? Alternative case & PSU? RAM?

 

 

 

thats not silent.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VRtF4q
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VRtF4q/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  (€212.93 @ Amazon Deutschland) - The Ryzen 7 will be better for editing than the 8700 because it has 2 more cores and can be overclocked
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€79.90 @ Caseking) - Supports overclocking and has Type-C
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (€169.52 @ Amazon Deutschland) - 32GB is overkill unless you're editing in 4K. Save your money and put it into a more powerful GPU
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€84.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) - 500GB SSD provides enough space for OS and lots of programs
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€58.88 @ Amazon Deutschland) - Data drive
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card  (€467.94 @ Mindfactory) - The 1070 Ti will let you edit well or even game at 4K
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P300 Tempered Glass (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€59.90 @ Caseking) - Cheap, TG, and good quality. What more could you want? Might want to get an extra fan for the front though
Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€69.90 @ Caseking) - Cheap good PSU. Not modular though so if you want that you could spend a bit more on a Focus+ Gold or similar
Total: €1202.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-23 00:59 CEST+0200

[r2724r16]

7 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

thats not silent.

Yes it is, have you ever used a Corsair RMx PSU?

[Firewrath9]

Just now, r2724r16 said:

Yes it is, have you ever used a Corair RMx PSU?

 

what is he using to cool the cpu?

[r2724r16]

1 minute ago, Firewrath9 said:

what is he using to cool the cpu?

Dude, you quoted EVERYTHING that the OP said. You could be more specific than just saying "that's not silent", and telling the OP what to change in his/her part list. 

 

I thought you meant the PSU wasn't silent, be more detailed next time. 

[brob]

A decent build. I do have a few suggestions .

 

Use a good cpu cooler. The Dark Rock Pro 4 is more than needed for a locked cpu, but this will allow it to operate at lower rpm, i.e. quieter.

 

Get a 2x16GB DDR4-2666 CL15 memory kit. This allows for a non replacement memory upgrade should that ever prove necessary. There is no performance difference between two and four modules with the same total capacity.

 

Consider an NVMe ssd. If a 4 lane is out of budget, I'd suggest a 2 lane model. Faster than a SATA III drive for roughly the same cost.

 

A discrete gpu is necessary IMO. It provides a much more responsive display even doing basic coding work. 

 

Given the low estimated max power draw (<260W) a 650W psu will do as good a job as a 750W.  The RMx is an excellent choice. The Seasonic Focus Plus Gold is as good, pick the less expensive of the two.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (€291.65 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  (€56.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€97.59 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (€315.29 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€117.78 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  (€179.83 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: be quiet! - Pure Base 600 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€74.80 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€87.69 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €1221.62
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-23 01:27 CEST+0200

 

 

[oisie]

7 hours ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  (€212.93 @ Amazon Deutschland) - The Ryzen 7 will be better for editing than the 8700 because it has 2 more cores and can be overclocked
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€79.90 @ Caseking) - Supports overclocking and has Type-C
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (€169.52 @ Amazon Deutschland) - 32GB is overkill unless you're editing in 4K. Save your money and put it into a more powerful GPU

 

I don't want to overclock anything to not have any heat issues or any other & i wonder if there is a real need to do it. 16GB ram is minimum for me, while most of the time i do developing and with old build i actually had 20gb of ram installed and many times i used ~18 of it while my "normal" is about 14gb used. 

 

7 hours ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€84.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) - 500GB SSD provides enough space for OS and lots of programs
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€58.88 @ Amazon Deutschland) - Data drive

 

500GB is really way more when i need already. I keep only files that i use at the moment on the machine, i was thinking about 256gb ssd but the price difference is really low + evo 860 has better performance than 256gb. With last desktop build, i was using 128gb evo ssd and it was perfectly fine too. Also having all in one drive instead of 2 is better UX to me knowing that i don't have much on the machine which i can't download under 10 minutes from someplace online even full reinstall wouldn't be an issue.

 

7 hours ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card  (€467.94 @ Mindfactory) - The 1070 Ti will let you edit well or even game at 4K

GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card is something i have in mind as an optional upgrade. Before i was good with GPU from CPU so i assume it will not be necessary. I don't play, no need to invest 460eur into it. Las time i had desktop i actually removed GPU for more silence and less power consumption  

 

7 hours ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P300 Tempered Glass (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€59.90 @ Caseking) - Cheap, TG, and good quality. What more could you want? Might want to get an extra fan for the front though

I believe case form be quiet! has better astetics, i like how buttons are not completly on top so i will be able to place paper stuff on top w/o covering the buttons and i think it will be more silent and won't have any heat issues with even added single GPU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWuDkKjz6D0

 

Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€69.90 @ Caseking) - Cheap good PSU. Not modular though so if you want that you could spend a bit more on a Focus+ Gold or similar

 

Seems like a good alternative. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bitfenix-formula-gold-650w-psu,5382-5.html but it runs the fan all the time and i wonder if it will produce noise or not.

 

7 hours ago, brob said:

Use a good cpu cooler. The Dark Rock Pro 4 is more than needed for a locked cpu, but this will allow it to operate at lower rpm, i.e. quieter.

2

I wonder if it fits in Be Quiet! Pure base 600 case, seems like will fit but will be left only 2.2mm of space. That's close  

 

https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1378

https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/921

 

7 hours ago, brob said:

Get a 2x16GB DDR4-2666 CL15 memory kit. This allows for a non replacement memory upgrade should that ever prove necessary. There is no performance difference between two and four modules with the same total capacity.

2

i looked at charts from https://www.memorybenchmark.net/ and it seems like lower sticks perform better than bigger, that's why i took 4x8gb instead of 2x16gb. I think 32 gb will be enough for years

 

7 hours ago, brob said:

Consider an NVMe ssd. If a 4 lane is out of budget, I'd suggest a 2 lane model. Faster than a SATA III drive for roughly the same cost.

2

This one is interesting but i may want to install macOS on this machine while sometimes i need specific tools from that OS. I think i will not be able to do that because of NVMe.

 

7 hours ago, brob said:

A discrete gpu is necessary IMO. It provides a much more responsive display even doing basic coding work. 

2

Last time CPU was handling 2 full HD monitors perfectly fine. Now i have 1x4K so not sure but CPU is updated so it should do the job, i will buy GPU separately as an upgrade if needed.

 

 

 

 

[brob]

10 hours ago, oisie said:

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I wonder if it fits in Be Quiet! Pure base 600 case, seems like will fit but will be left only 2.2mm of space. That's close  

 

https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1378

https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/921

 

i looked at charts from https://www.memorybenchmark.net/ and it seems like lower sticks perform better than bigger, that's why i took 4x8gb instead of 2x16gb. I think 32 gb will be enough for years

 

This one is interesting but i may want to install macOS on this machine while sometimes i need specific tools from that OS. I think i will not be able to do that because of NVMe.

 

Last time CPU was handling 2 full HD monitors perfectly fine. Now i have 1x4K so not sure but CPU is updated so it should do the job, i will buy GPU separately as an upgrade if needed.

 

 

 

 

 

The case clearance is quite sufficient.

 

What comparisons exactly were you looking at with respect to memory? Also, have you also considered the lower power consumption and slightly less wear on the memory controller of two vs four memory modules?

 

This board does not permit discussion of certain o/s on non Apple hardware.

 

It's not a matter of the iGPU being unable to handle multiple HD monitors, it is entirely down to performance. If you can, I suggest you checkout same system performance with and without a discrete gpu. I think you will be surprised at the difference, especially at higher resolutions. 

[oisie]

4 hours ago, brob said:

 

What comparisons exactly were you looking at with respect to memory? Also, have you also considered the lower power consumption and slightly less wear on the memory controller of two vs four memory modules?

 

check any 

 

https://www.memorybenchmark.net/write_ddr4_intel.html

https://www.memorybenchmark.net/read_uncached_ddr4_intel.html

https://www.memorybenchmark.net/latency_ddr4_intel.html

 

most of the time it's 4gb or 8gb

 

 

[brob]

I'm not seeing what you are suggesting. Probably because apples to apples comparisons are very difficult to find in the data. 

 

Apples to apples comparison using https://www.memorybenchmark.net/ram_list.php:

Corsair CMK32GX4M2B3000C15 (2X16GB 15-17-17-35) latency 22, read MB/s 17869, write MB/s 13422

Corsair CMK32GX4M4C3000C15 (4X8GB  15-17-17-35) latency 25, read MB/s 15546, write MB/s 12230

 

[oisie]

27 minutes ago, brob said:

I'm not seeing what you are suggesting. Probably because apples to apples comparisons are very difficult to find in the data. 

 

Apples to apples comparison using https://www.memorybenchmark.net/ram_list.php:

Corsair CMK32GX4M2B3000C15 (2X16GB 15-17-17-35) latency 22, read MB/s 17869, write MB/s 13422

Corsair CMK32GX4M4C3000C15 (4X8GB  15-17-17-35) latency 25, read MB/s 15546, write MB/s 12230

 

I actually noticed that both have high latency  but it says 22 and 25 in table but when you enter each, there is comparison chart saying ~70+

 

this one seems to be faster: https://www.memorybenchmark.net/ram.php?ram=Corsair+CMW16GX4M2A2666C16+8GB&id=12189 

and I can get in local shop 2x8gb for 190eur

 

can't see any 16gb stick with price <400eur for 32gb, 2666mhz and ~20 latency

 

 

[oisie]

planning to add this video card: STRIX-RX570-O4G-GAMING for 332eur

 

https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-RX570-O4G-GAMING/

 

1. seems like a good price-performance balance

2. has the silent mode 

 

what do you think?