CPU Choice for a prebuilt

[Raging-Storm]

I am looking at buying a pre made pc from cyber power or ibuypower.   I do not want to build one myself.   After all is said and done I can build very similar machines with specials and 5% off promo codes for a similar price around $2300.  Ibuypower also has a free upgrade from 1920 to 1950.  All and all Id have name brand psu/ddr/1080ti/16gb ddr/ 500gb ssd / 1tb mechanical but which processor do I go with?  I mainly just game titles do not require anywhere near this much system =) Dota 2, wow, fortnite.  Id like to play other games like BF5 when it comes out.  I do no need the extra cores as a workstation but it would be nice to have/resell value later.

 

So what pros and cons am I looking for these two?  Any feedback on what to purchase would be nice.  Currently 6700k 560ti (different card failed on me), and 8gb ram.   My psu, case, ram need upgrading so id just prefer to buy a whole new one as I am not technical on building one nor do i care to learn how.  I figure I can sell just my current rig for at least 400+ and reduce some of the cost of my new adventure.  Thanks!

[AskTJ]

The i7 would game better, but the 1950X would be a great workstation. You have to choose between those two.

[Stefan Payne]

 

5 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

I am looking at buying a pre made pc from cyber power or ibuypower.   I do not want to build one myself. 

That sux.

Because prebuilt PCs aren't great and always have some huge problems in some areas...

 

5 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

 

 After all is said and done I can build very similar machines with specials and 5% off promo codes for a similar price around $2300.  Ibuypower also has a free upgrade from 1920 to 1950.  All and all Id have name brand psu/ddr/1080ti/16gb ddr/ 500gb ssd / 1tb mechanical but which processor do I go with?  I mainly just game titles do not require anywhere near this much system =) Dota 2, wow, fortnite.  Id like to play other games like BF5 when it comes out.  I do no need the extra cores as a workstation but it would be nice to have/resell value later.

To be honest, scrapp the threadripper, those aren't for you and grab a normal Standard Ryzen 7 2700 or 2700x.

That is more in the area what you want and need.

And resell value is irrelevant as its way lower than what you initially paid. 

 

When or if you need the +8 Cores on the 1950x, you can buy a normal CPU for cheap...

We are talking about +500€ for that, around 300€ for the CPU and another 200€ for the Board (yes, they are THAT expensive).

 

So the only reason to go for Threadripper is:
a) you need the Memory. 

b) you need the I/O Stuff

c) you need the Cores for Streaming/Video Editing.

 

if neither applys, you better go for the normal Desktop plattform instead.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

So what pros and cons am I looking for these two?  Any feedback on what to purchase would be nice.  Currently 6700k 560ti (different card failed on me), and 8gb ram.   My psu, case, ram need upgrading so id just prefer to buy a whole new one as I am not technical on building one nor do i care to learn how.  I figure I can sell just my current rig for at least 400+ and reduce some of the cost of my new adventure.  Thanks!

ähm...

What you need is:

a) new Graphics Card, the one you have is rather shit and almost 10 years old

b) PSU + Case (~150€ for both)

c) a bit of RAM, since you say you have a 6700, you probably already have DDR-4 SDRAM.

d) If you don't already have, an SSD.

 

So we are talking about 250€-300€ or so for a decent mit range Graphics card

~50-100€ for the PSU, Case depends on your taste. Somehing like 100€ is a good start

 

And you should add another 8GiB of RAM. I don't know how the memory is you have right now but one 8GiB Stick is enough. If you have one that gives you Dual Channel -> more performance

If you have two, you put both on one Channel and the new one on the other.

 

So you do NOT need to buy a new one as the CPU is fine right now and no need to replace it.

[Raging-Storm]

3 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

 

That sux.

Because prebuilt PCs aren't great and always have some huge problems in some areas...

 

To be honest, scrapp the threadripper, those aren't for you and grab a normal Standard Ryzen 7 2700 or 2700x.

That is more in the area what you want and need.

And resell value is irrelevant as its way lower than what you initially paid. 

 

When or if you need the +8 Cores on the 1950x, you can buy a normal CPU for cheap...

We are talking about +500€ for that, around 300€ for the CPU and another 200€ for the Board (yes, they are THAT expensive).

 

So the only reason to go for Threadripper is:
a) you need the Memory. 

b) you need the I/O Stuff

c) you need the Cores for Streaming/Video Editing.

 

if neither applys, you better go for the normal Desktop plattform instead.

 

 

ähm...

What you need is:

a) new Graphics Card, the one you have is rather shit and almost 10 years old

b) PSU + Case (~150€ for both)

c) a bit of RAM, since you say you have a 6700, you probably already have DDR-4 SDRAM.

d) If you don't already have, an SSD.

 

So we are talking about 250€-300€ or so for a decent mit range Graphics card

~50-100€ for the PSU, Case depends on your taste. Somehing like 100€ is a good start

 

And you should add another 8GiB of RAM. I don't know how the memory is you have right now but one 8GiB Stick is enough. If you have one that gives you Dual Channel -> more performance

If you have two, you put both on one Channel and the new one on the other.

 

So you do NOT need to buy a new one as the CPU is fine right now and no need to replace it.

Again I know I need that stuff my ram is dual channel 4gb my board only holds 2 ram sticks.  To go to 16 gb id have to buy 2 X 8gb sticks for 150$ I dont want a mid range card id like a 1080ti and A psu would run me 75$.  I get that i can buy all that for under 1,000 but i am not the technical person to take it out and replace it.  Id have to pay someone to do it.  Also Id like a new case with different lighting.   Yes i have an ssd now.   Do i need to upgrade everything? No.   Do I just want to yes.  So my sole question is 1950x vs 8086k / futureproof

[O9B0666]

17 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

1950x vs 8086k / futureproof

theirs no future proof in pcs, thread ripper 2 is coming out soon, and coffee lake refresh so both of these will be last yr tech very shortly, but both very great cpu's. id go with intel, ive always had good luck with intel cpu's, and amd chips drop in price where as intel dont really, so theirs that resale value you wanted to. thread ripper already dropped 250 bucks, intel dont drop price much.

[andrewmp6]

Honestly i would go either 8700k or 2700x since you want more a gaming rig/desktop.And spend the money difference on something you can use like upgrade the video card or a better monitor.

[Stefan Payne]

58 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

Again I know I need that stuff my ram is dual channel 4gb my board only holds 2 ram sticks. 

Urgh, sorry to hear that. Didn't know that you had such a cheapish Board.

And that is also the reason to build the PC yourself. You can choose the Board!

Because in prebuilt PCs, they often use the shittiest/cheapest Boards they could find and combine it with the most expensive processor. Because people don't look at the Boards much...

 

A good quality Board is around 150€ or so, since you also need that, it makes sense to replace it as well...

 

 

58 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

To go to 16 gb id have to buy 2 X 8gb sticks for 150$

You need to buy that anyway, so from that point of view you have to pay for it anyway

 

58 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

I dont want a mid range card id like a 1080ti and

...the next generation is pretty close.

People say its arond end of the year or so.

So I'd rather not spend too much money on a Graphics card right now and only spend what you have to until the next generation comes out.

While it is true that you could always wait, it only makes sense when you know that the next generation of GPUs will be released within a couple of weeks or months.

 

So right now I'd only go mid range -> 1060 or preferably RX570 or 580, 8GiB of course.

And if you have the money, that's what I'd order right now. And would benefit you the most!

 

58 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

but i am not the technical person to take it out and replace it. 

Neither was I some 20 years ago or so.

BUT: A PC is designed to be built and upgraded by the user and has various interchangable components...

 

58 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

Id have to pay someone to do it. 

No, you have to look and learn how to do it.

What you need:
Philipps PH2 Screwdriver

Philipps PH1 Screwdriver for some things

 

Watch a Video (linus does it from time to time) how to build a PC. 

It ain't no rocket science...

 

The first time it might take an hour or two, maybe even three. But if you know your stuff its like 10-20min or so.

58 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

Also Id like a new case with different lighting. 

Then get the one you have right now and build the PC yourself!

Where is the fun in letting someone else do it?

 

58 minutes ago, Raging-Storm said:

 Yes i have an ssd now.   Do i need to upgrade everything? No.   Do I just want to yes.  So my sole question is 1950x vs 8086k / futureproof

Great...

 

But to be honest, i'd get neither. 

Because it is just too expensive whithout getting you much benefit at all.

 

And thus I'd recommend a Ryzen 7-2700(x) for you as its a bit better than the Threadripper for games right now.

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, Raging-Storm said:

I do no need the extra cores as a workstation but it would be nice to have/resell value later.

Everything lose value over time with a percentage. Buy a more expensive PC --> lose more money, so going after resale value will bring you to the cheapest of the cheapest stuff. Forget that when you're paying $1000+ for a PC.

 

3 hours ago, Raging-Storm said:

I mainly just game titles do not require anywhere near this much system =) Dota 2, wow, fortnite.  Id like to play other games like BF5 when it comes out. 

Neither, get the 8700k. It's the same thing as 8086k, Intel just renamed the 8700k to the 8086k, buff the price because someone will pay for it no matter what (seriously that's the price of the 8 core 7820X) and buff the single core turbo clock to 5ghz (not like it matters since both are overclockable). It's not like 8086k are specially binned to hit say 5.3GHz either, Intel only removed the disgusting overclockers of 8700k which are even more rare than finding a one that overclocks exceptionally well.

[andrewmp6]

4 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Because in prebuilt PCs, they often use the shittiest/cheapest Boards they could find and combine it with the most expensive processor. Because people don't look at the Boards much...

 

You are right about that,I was looking at prebuilt custom pcs.Both used a mid ground b350 board in it and wanted almost 4k for it at the end.I could build a 1950x build for that and have change left.