Intel 8700 non K cpu

[PrivateIT]

For Linus Media Group.

I have done as much digging around as possible.

I have not been able to find a decent review

for the Intel 8700 non K cpu.

Would be great to see the vid.

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

8700 non K and 8700K are the exact same CPU, the only difference being that the K is unlocked and therefore overclockable.

[Shimejii]

Would not be a great vid. Its because linus and others have said it themselves, the 8700 and 8600 are useless chips, you should not ever buy them.

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

linus and others have said it themselves, the 8700 and 8600 are useless chips, you should not ever buy them.

Where was this said? In the past, this was certainly the case. But since the 8700 and 8700K have identical performance, the 8700 makes quite a bit of sense if one's budget won't allow for the 8700K.

[Streetguru]

10 minutes ago, PrivateIT said:

 

Just take 5-10% off the 8700K OC'd and you'd set.

Should probably just grab a ryzen CPU anyways though..

[Shimejii]

2 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Where was this said? In the past, this was certainly the case. But since the 8700 and 8700K have identical performance, the 8700 makes quite a bit of sense if one's budget won't allow for the 8700K.

10-15$ difference is not really a "budget" option. Thats not enough of a difference to warrant that. If it were say 40-60 sure, but they are not that different in price in most places.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, Shimejii said:

10-15$ difference is not really a "budget" option. Thats not enough of a difference to warrant that. If it were say 40-60 sure, but they are not that different in price in most places.

I didn't say it was a "budget" CPU, I said if the budget won't allow an 8700K.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

If you're considering the 8700 non-K you're doing it wrong and you should get a Ryzen 7 2700 instead and an AsRock X470 Master SLI/AC

[Jurrunio]

26 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

10-15$ difference is not really a "budget" option. Thats not enough of a difference to warrant that. If it were say 40-60 sure, but they are not that different in price in most places.

you can go cheap on motherboard and cooling if you opt for the 8700 compared to 8700k (leaving 8700k at stock on cheap board and cooler doesnt make sense).

 

14 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

If you're considering the 8700 non-K you're doing it wrong and you should get a Ryzen 7 2700 instead and an AsRock X470 Master SLI/AC

not exactly. Those looking for the 8700 could be gamers.

 

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

you can go cheap on motherboard and cooling if you opt for the 8700 compared to 8700k (leaving 8700k at stock on cheap board and cooler doesnt make sense).

 

not exactly. Those looking for the 8700 could be gamers.

 

And yet the Ryzen is a better CPU. It can be overclocked (with the stock cooler, no less; the 8700's stock luke-warmer can't even stop the CPU from thermal throttling hard), has 2 more cores (useful in other workloads) and it's gaming performance isn't actually THAT much worse to reject all of  what I just said

[Shimejii]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

you can go cheap on motherboard and cooling if you opt for the 8700 compared to 8700k (leaving 8700k at stock on cheap board and cooler doesnt make sense).

 

not exactly. Those looking for the 8700 could be gamers.

 

It still makes absolutely 0 sense to get this chip. TDP for Intel is for BASE frequency, Not the turbo boost. It can pull a LOT more voltage then listed. You can get a decent MOBO for the 8700k still for a decent  price. a 10-15 $ price is NOT enough of a difference

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

And yet the Ryzen is a better CPU. It can be overclocked (with the stock cooler, no less; the 8700's stock luke-warmer can't even stop the CPU from thermal throttling hard), has 2 more cores (useful in other workloads) and it's gaming performance isn't actually THAT much worse to reject all of  what I just said

I didnt reject Ryzen either. The problem is that you need to overclock Ryzen 7 2700 and the memory to have a chance of matching the 8700. No more plug and play here.

 

54 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

It still makes absolutely 0 sense to get this chip. TDP for Intel is for BASE frequency, Not the turbo boost. It can pull a LOT more voltage then listed. You can get a decent MOBO for the 8700k still for a decent  price. a 10-15 $ price is NOT enough of a difference

Not like Ryzen's TDP rating is any useful either. 1800X sharing TDP with 1300X? Totally legit.

 

As for voltage... Intel didnt specify vcore at all, only VID (which is not the same thing).

 

Does that $10-15 price take cooler and mobo into account? No it doesnt.

[Shimejii]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

I didnt reject Ryzen either. The problem is that you need to overclock Ryzen 7 2700 and the memory to have a chance of matching the 8700. No more plug and play here.

 

Not like Ryzen's TDP rating is any useful either. 1800X sharing TDP with 1300X? Totally legit.

 

As for voltage... Intel didnt specify vcore at all, only VID (which is not the same thing).

 

Does that $10-15 price take cooler and mobo into account? No it doesnt.

8700 can get JUST as hot as a 8700k. The cooler is garbage and should NEVER be used. 

 

No they arent usefull, because they are using the base frequency, not the full boost. 

 

 Xaying the 8700 is "worth" buying for 10$ less then a 8700k. You SHOULD be buying a better cooler to begin with for an i7 chip if the end user does the research. You can get a z370 board for the same price as some of the other boards, that too is NOT a valid argument. 

[Jurrunio]

34 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

8700 can get JUST as hot as a 8700k. The cooler is garbage and should NEVER be used. 

Difference between something like Cryoirg M9i ($20) and Cooler Master masterliquid lite 240 ($55, cheapest 240mm aio that's not good enough by my standard, but let's give your argument some hope). That's $35

 

34 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

 Xaying the 8700 is "worth" buying for 10$ less then a 8700k. You SHOULD be buying a better cooler to begin with for an i7 chip if the end user does the research.

I wont buy the same cooler for the two i7s because one can overclock, the other cannot. What's the point of an unlocked processor that costs more but still going to run stock anyway? On the other hand, I wont buy an $80 cooler that keeps the locked chip at 60C, pointless.

 

34 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

You can get a z370 board for the same price as some of the other boards, that too is NOT a valid argument. 

Oh really?

 

To again give some hope to your argument, let's say boards without VRM heatsink cant handle the locked i7, which means I have to look for a more expensive board with some VRM heatsinks for the sake of the caps next to the mosfets. Also consider H310 boards out of the match because there's no board with any VRM heatsink.

 

Cheapest B360 is this one: MSI B360-A Pro, at $72.5

 

Cheapest Z370 is this one: MSI Z370-A Pro, at $100.

 

That's $27.5 difference

 

Dont tell me you're comparing mid-range B360 boards to cheap Z370 boards, because otherwise I can say "RGB lights matters and your cheap Z370 doesnt have any RGB headers, let alone RGB lights built in", "I've got more expansion slots", something like that.