software Auto-Start up software

[Trigonomancer]

Why so many programs these days start on boot up?

Everyday I see is becoming more frequent auto-start up programs(programs that start as soon as you boot up your PC), even tho this function existed a long time go I see that recently it's being overused, sure you can turn off this function but even like that software like VmWare start even if you told it not to and others like, Spotify, TunnelBear, the entirety of Win10 crapware and all I want to know from this post is:

Why is this happening?

How do I stop it?

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

  

23 minutes ago, GutoGordo said:

Why so many programs these days start on boot up?

Everyday I see is becoming more frequent auto-start up programs(programs that start as soon as you boot up your PC), even tho this function existed a long time go I see that recently it's being overused, sure you can turn off this function but even like that software like VmWare start even if you told it not to and others like, Spotify, TunnelBear, the entirety of Win10 crapware and all I want to know from this post is:

Why is this happening?

How do I stop it?

 

Just right click the item and select disable.

Why is this happening? To preload software so when you want it, it's quick to appear. 

[KenjiUmino]

2 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Why is thisj happening? To preload software so when you want it, it's quick to appear. 

this sounds completely backwards to me - preloading applications so they take less time to be on screen and operational made sense back when slow HDDs was all we had...

 

... but with all the blazing fast low latency SSDs and optane and whatnot becomming ever more mainstream and affordable it would be logical to make LESS use of the autostart feature because applications can start up and be fully operational in the blink of an eye anyways, yet it seems that autostart is used even more than ever before.

 

seeing how a lot of applications are "preloaded" for no obvious reason makes me nervous TBH.

 

if applications and all the other crapthings are sitting there, being active to the point where it can be spottet just by looking at task manager - but also show no other sign of activity and appear to "do nothing"  but silently sit in the system tray without interacting with anything on the front end - i really wonder what they do on the back end and out of the users direct line of sight.

that xx% CPU usage must be caused by something - right? 

[Trigonomancer]

2 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

  

Just right click the item and select disable.

Why is this happening? To preload software so when you want it, it's quick to appear. 

As you can see from the first screenshot it actually is disabled "Desabilitado"(PT-BR) but it insists on running on the BG on start Up

[Trigonomancer]

22 minutes ago, KenjiUmino said:

this sounds completely backwards to me - preloading applications so they take less time to be on screen and operational made sense back when slow HDDs was all we had...

 

... but with all the blazing fast low latency SSDs and optane and whatnot becomming ever more mainstream and affordable it would be logical to make LESS use of the autostart feature because applications can start up and be fully operational in the blink of an eye anyways, yet it seems that autostart is used even more than ever before.

 

seeing how a lot of applications are "preloaded" for no obvious reason makes me nervous TBH.

 

if applications and all the other crapthings are sitting there, being active to the point where it can be spottet just by looking at task manager - but also show no other sign of activity and appear to "do nothing"  but silently sit in the system tray without interacting with anything on the front end - i really wonder what they do on the back end and out of the users direct line of sight.

that xx% CPU usage must be caused by something - right? 

Funny thing is, I only have my crappy 2014 laptop with me with only 4GB ddr3 and a crappy mobile I7 2.4Ghz dual core HT, so i try to acoid wasting RAM, but the VMWare tasks litterally wont go away doesnt matter if I stop it or disable it, they wont go away.

The 0.2% CPU usage looks like it's from the Authorization service, probably because I'm yet to buy a VMWare license

[KenjiUmino]

6 minutes ago, GutoGordo said:

Funny thing is, I only have my crappy 2014 laptop with me with only 4GB ddr3 and a crappy mobile I7 2.4Ghz dual core HT, so i try to acoid wasting RAM, but the VMWare tasks litterally wont go away doesnt matter if I stop it or disable it, they wont go away.

yeah ... some programs show an almost malware-like behavior: when you disable their autostart entry, they just create a new one next time you restart windows.

you disable that entry too - they create another one. 

 

you play this game for a while until you have like 4-5 entries of the same item and just give up, grind your teeth and let the program have its way or decide you don't really need this piece of shit software and uninstall it for good. 

 

if you are tight on RAM but can't upgrade then i'd really recommend asking yourself if you absolutely NEED this or that ressource hogging program installed at all or if there are alternatives that do the same thing but don't give you that much trouble. 

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

6 hours ago, KenjiUmino said:

... but with all the blazing fast low latency SSDs and optane and whatnot becomming ever more mainstream and affordable it would be logical to make LESS use of the autostart feature because applications can start up and be fully operational in the blink of an eye anyways, yet it seems that autostart is used even more than ever before.

Most Windows computers in the market still come with a traditional HDD. Walk into BestBuy and look at a mid range Core i5 or AMD A12 from Acer, HP, or Dell, chances are, it'll have a HDD (most likely 1TB too). It's only when you go into the 700-900 dollar range that you start to see SSDs. Most buyers stick to the ballpark of 500.

[KenjiUmino]

On 27.5.2018 at 4:01 AM, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Most Windows computers in the market still come with a traditional HDD. 

sadly, you are right. i forgot about off-the-shelf computers and what a ripoff they are.

 

they put the crappiest PSUs and slowest HDDs in there they could possibly find so they can write big numbers on the box and still save a ton.

 

and to make them feel even slower and crappier they put all the autostart bloatware on it that exists. 

 

this needs to change IMO. 

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

1 minute ago, KenjiUmino said:

sadly, you are right. i forgot about off-the-shelf computers and what a ripoff they are.

 

they put the crappiest PSUs and slowest HDDs in there they could possibly find so they can write big numbers on the box and still save a ton.

 

and to make them feel even slower and crappier they put all the autostart bloatware on it that exists. 

 

this needs to change IMO. 

If you stick to the big brands like ASUS and Dell, they're generally pretty good value and decent build quality. Especially for really constrained budget builds nowadays, I typically recommend getting one as the basis then throw in a GPU and then a SSD if desired. As Linus showed in a video he did about an ASUS prebuilt, you don't actually save a lot of money by building it yourself nowadays if you're not a power user who needs the top tier chipset. 

 

You're more likely to find a paperweight of a PSU when you buy those cases with an included PSU.  

[KenjiUmino]

1 minute ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

If you stick to the big brands like ASUS and Dell, they're generally pretty good value and decent build quality. Especially for really constrained budget builds nowadays, I typically recommend getting one as the basis then throw in a GPU and then a SSD if desired.

a prebuilt might be a good start for people who know how to upgrade further - but i hate how everyone else just gets screwed over. 

 

specific example: a friend bought herself a new laptop because everything took forever on her old single core laptop. she does not game or do demanding stuff - all she needs is a "typewriter with a webbrowser" 

 

so she got a new laptop - not a bad machine overall for what she does ... a nice bright and big 17" screen, 4-8 gb of ram and a celeron N3060. it should run circles around her old pentium M based laptop - right?

 

WRONG. 

 

in its current state that thing is just as bad as her old one because they put the slowest 2.5" HDD in there one can possibly have.

 

everything still takes forever on this thing and it feels like a total piece of shit. 

 

she does not know how to swap a drive or anything so she would have payed all that money to be stuck with a brand new laptop that works exactly as slow and shitty as her old one already did. nothing improved.