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Top / front intake and rear / top exhaust is pretty standard. 

Unless the bottom of the case is going to but closed off due to carpet or a lot of dust, you can flip the psu so the fan faces down to isolate its cooling. Leaving it as is also find if you don't mind higher psu temps for lower gpu temps.

 

The cooler is overkill imo. The money is better put towards a cheaper cooler and a 8700k in the first place.

Better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hPR8J8

If you want to avoid a silver heatsink look, the Windale 6 is a good alternative: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ntwqqs/fsp-group-windale-6-600-cfm-cpu-cooler-ac602

If you're going to replace the fan with the same RGB fans for looks, the Ereboss Core would perform a bit better: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MQRFf7/raijintek-ereboss-core-edition-fanless-cpu-cooler-0r100015

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Hey, I've done a lot of research and I think I've finally come to a conclusion for my second build. I don't have a GPU in the build yet but I'll probably be getting a 1070ti or a 1080. I do gfx, stream, and a little bit of video editing. I was thinking about the i7-7700K but from what i've seen, the i5-8600K is incredible for the price. Also, apparently it's better for temps to put the radiator on the front.according to :

But I also am trying to think how the air would best flow. I'm currently thinking about having 4 fans in my build (Not counting the aio), with the bottom fan for intake. I'm trying to see what I can do for the top two fans/the back one, airflow wise. Other than that, how's the build and what should I change in it and do for the fans. Thanks ;)

 

I'll also link a photo with a quick drawing of how it's set to be configured.

 

Here is my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kcout0/saved/h9XD8d

 

Here is the fan compatibility for my case (Meshify C):

Cooling System:

  • Top: 2x 120/140mm Fan Vents (Fans not included)
  • Front: 3x 120 or 2x 140mm Fan Vents (1x Dynamic X2GP12 Fan is included)
  • Rear: 1x 120mm Fan (1x Dynamic X2GP12 Fan)
  • Bottom: 1x 120mm Fan Vent (Fan not included)
  • Dust filters: Bottom fan + PSU Front fans Top panel
  • Radiator:
    • Front: 120/240/360mm 140/280mm
    • Top: 120/240mm (max component height on motherboard 40mm)
    • Rear: 120mm (max width 125mm)

 

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Top / front intake and rear / top exhaust is pretty standard. 

Unless the bottom of the case is going to but closed off due to carpet or a lot of dust, you can flip the psu so the fan faces down to isolate its cooling. Leaving it as is also find if you don't mind higher psu temps for lower gpu temps.

 

The cooler is overkill imo. The money is better put towards a cheaper cooler and a 8700k in the first place.

Better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hPR8J8

If you want to avoid a silver heatsink look, the Windale 6 is a good alternative: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ntwqqs/fsp-group-windale-6-600-cfm-cpu-cooler-ac602

If you're going to replace the fan with the same RGB fans for looks, the Ereboss Core would perform a bit better: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MQRFf7/raijintek-ereboss-core-edition-fanless-cpu-cooler-0r100015

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21 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Top / front intake and rear / top exhaust is pretty standard. 

Unless the bottom of the case is going to but closed off due to carpet or a lot of dust, you can flip the psu so the fan faces down to isolate its cooling. Leaving it as is also find if you don't mind higher psu temps for lower gpu temps.

 

The cooler is overkill imo. The money is better put towards a cheaper cooler and a 8700k in the first place.

Better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hPR8J8

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Thanks for responding @WoodenMarker I understand the cooler might be overkill but from what I've seen it's worth the price. I Think flipping the PSU might be a good idea but as the cooler air is from the bottom of the case, I was thinking I should mount a fan there. I could also do the 240mm rad version and put it in the front with an additional normal case fan just above for pure airflow. Then I could have the exhaust in the back. Still, I don't know what to do with the top fans. I'm looking for Performance above looks (I could add leds additionally, that's why I went with the Meshify) and I thank you for helping me out, such fast times!

I also read the thread where it says what to write about in the post,

I have 1 monitor (CFG70), I'm upgrading since my old build is not the greatest, (i5-6402P, rx480, 500gb HDD, and that's about it, nothing special.) I have the chroma ornata and the Logitech g502 for my peripherals. But yea, thanks again for helping.

PS: I'm going to be OC'ing too

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5 minutes ago, suchaklutch said:

I understand the cooler might be overkill but from what I've seen it's worth the price. Still, I don't know what to do with the top fans. I'm looking for Performance above looks

Whoops, left two coolers in the list. Both the Kotetsu or Mugen 5 Rev. B are good though.

What about the cooler justifies the price for you? There's nothing I see that from it that would make a 8600k better than the 8700k--especially if your priority is performance. 

Two front intakes and one rear exhaust should already be plenty. The top fans don't make a huge difference. The GP-12 X2's included with the case are also pretty good already and I'd suggest you see how they perform before deciding on whether or not to add / change fans. 

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Not everybody's house is as old and dusty as mine, but I know that if I mounted an intake fan on the bottom as you have drawn, it would vac up a bunch of dust and blow it all over the inside of the computer.  A door fan may be less dusty (if available with your case).

 

Just something to keep in mind...

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2 minutes ago, Blasteque said:

Not everybody's house is as old and dusty as mine, but I know that if I mounted an intake fan on the bottom as you have drawn, it would vac up a bunch of dust and blow it all over the inside of the computer. 

The Meshify C comes with a bottom dust filter.

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6 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Whoops, left two coolers in the list. Both the Kotetsu or Mugen 5 Rev. B are good though.

What about the cooler justifies the price for you? There's nothing I see that from it that would make a 8600k better than the 8700k--especially if your priority is performance. 

Two front intakes and one rear exhaust should already be plenty. The top fans don't make a huge difference. The GP-12 X2's included with the case are also pretty good already and I'd suggest you see how they perform before deciding on whether or not to add / change fans. 

That build you made is pretty solid, so you're definitely thinking the Air Cooling over the AIO? It's much cheaper but will it perform as good? I know liquid cooling doesn't always mean better, but I was thinking that if you can get an amazing cooler, with a novelty factor too xD , then aio could potentially be better. I'm not the expert tho, so I appreciate your help. Also, you would think front/bottom intake, and rear/top exhaust? Would I be better off choosing some 140's then? Thanks.

 

(This is my first time using LTT and I'm loving it)

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Meshify C TG imposes gpu length restrictions especially if an aio is mounted as front intake. According to the specs, the radiator thickness and gpu length must be under 315mm.

 

One can have too many fans. The goal of fans is to move the most amount of cool air through the case. As the arrows in the diagram clearly illustrate a bottom mounted intake fan is going to interrupt intake air from the front and tend to force it up. Potentially starving one of the gpu fans.

 

Since the psu fan is intake, as shown in the diagram it will be trying to draw air down through the psu. Not good. It potentially starves a gpu fan and will be pulling warmer case air rather than cooler external air. The psu fan should be drawing air up from the bottom and exhausting out the rear. This isolates psu cooling and leads to a cooler, read quieter and possibly more efficient, psu. It also simplifies airflow management in the rest of the case.

 

The aio provides three fans. I would suggest using the two stock fans as exhaust and not bothering with additional fans.

 

There is not much benefit in using a hybrid drive for data. 

 

Unless you really want to overclock, I would suggest giving serious thought to getting an i7-8700 with a Cryorig H7 cooler. The system would be better suited to the work described and will run much cooler and quieter.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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1 minute ago, suchaklutch said:

That build you made is pretty solid, so you're definitely thinking the Air Cooling over the AIO? It's much cheaper but will it perform as good? I know liquid cooling doesn't always mean better, but I was thinking that if you can get an amazing cooler, with a novelty factor too xD , then aio could potentially be better. I'm not the expert tho, so I appreciate your help. Also, you would think front/bottom intake, and rear/top exhaust? Would I be better off choosing some 140's then? Thanks.

The Mugen 5 Rev. B is a great cooler for oc'ing and you're not going to get that much higher of an oc with an AIO. In either case, you're probably going to want to delid if you want to do any substantial oc'ing. 

You can get an idea of where it stands when it comes to performance here:

I'd say stick with the 2 included stock case fans and see how they perform to better inform any decisions on changing case fans if at all. If they're already good enough, you can save your money for other things. 

2 minutes ago, brob said:

Since the psu fan is intake, as shown in the diagram it will be trying to draw air down through the psu. Not good. It potentially starves a gpu fan

The psu fan isn't aggressive enough to interrupt gpu cooling to the point where temps worsen. It's actually better for gpu temps most of the time.

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12 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

The Mugen 5 Rev. B is a great cooler for oc'ing and you're not going to get that much higher of an oc with an AIO. In either case, you're probably going to want to delid if you want to do any substantial oc'ing. 

You can get an idea of where it stands when it comes to performance here:

I'd say stick with the 2 included stock case fans and see how they perform to better inform any decisions on changing case fans if at all. If they're already good enough, you can save your money for other things. 

The psu fan isn't aggressive enough to interrupt gpu cooling to the point where temps worsen. It's actually better for gpu temps most of the time.

Ok so no AIO, right? And get the Mugen 5? Should I not buy fans like you said and have only one in the front for intake and one in the back for exhaust? Is that enough? PSU intake through the bottom? Thanks for helping. It seems all I need to find out now is the case fan configuration, GPU (I can get a new 1070ti for $500 or buy a 1080 relatively cheap on eBay), and whether to buy an additional case fan (Or two, and what size). Sorry for all the questions.

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Ok so no AIO, right? And get the Mugen 5? Should I not buy fans like you said and have only one in the front for intake and one in the back for exhaust? Is that enough? PSU intake through the bottom?

Yes, it's hard to go wrong with the Mugen 5 Rev. B and bottom psu intake is usually better for the psu.

One front intake and one rear exhaust is plenty of cooling for most systems and is included with the case.

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11 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Yes, it's hard to go wrong with the Mugen 5 Rev. B and bottom psu intake is usually better for the psu.

One front intake and one rear exhaust is plenty of cooling for most systems and is included with the case.

Ok, I think I'll go with that. However, would you recommend using two 140mm fans? Or maybe swap the stock with the Enermax on the list? I like the ring look on the fans, Maybe two 120's (or 140's) in the front and a 120 in back?

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Ok, I think I'll go with that. However, would you recommend using two 140mm fans? Or maybe swap the stock with the Enermax on the list? I like the ring look on the fans, Maybe two 120's (or 140's) in the front and a 120 in back?

I'm saying to not buy any additional case fans and see how the stock case fans perform. You can always change / add fans later. 

If it's for looks, you can determine what looks best and how important that is for yourself. I don't think you'll get much of the ring aesthetic showing with front intake fans though.

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6 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

I'm saying to not buy any additional case fans and see how the stock case fans perform. You can always change / add fans later. 

If it's for looks, you can determine what looks best and how important that is for yourself. I don't think you'll get much of the ring aesthetic showing with front intake fans though.

That's true for the fans, although I did see one build be successful with the front fans (even though I don't want my pc looking like a vegas advertisement) :

https://twitter.com/xelnaga15/status/925247414184955905

 Alright, so two 120's should be sufficient. Now with the GPU, It'll probably a little bit as the prices are (apparently) coming down, but would you recommend a 1070ti or should I invest in a 1080/ti? Maybe when the new cards are released, the prices should come down right? 

 

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That's true for the fans, although I did see one build be successful with the front fans (even though I don't want my pc looking like a vegas advertisement) :

https://twitter.com/xelnaga15/status/925247414184955905

 Alright, so two 120's should be sufficient. Now with the GPU, It'll probably a little bit as the prices are (apparently) coming down, but would you recommend a 1070ti or should I invest in a 1080/ti? Maybe when the new cards are released, the prices should come down right? 

Oh, my bad--I was thinking from inside of the case as opposed to the front. Good looking front meshes haven't been the norm in the last few years for cases. 

No one knows how the future will work out but it should eventually get better. For 1080p, a 1070 or 1060 6GB should already be more than enough.

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8 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Oh, my bad--I was thinking from inside of the case as opposed to the front. Good looking front meshes haven't been the norm in the last few years for cases. 

No one knows how the future will work out but it should eventually get better. For 1080p, a 1070 or 1060 6GB should already be more than enough.

I'll go with the 1070ti, as for the fans, I'll listen to what you said and do the build you modified. If I choose to buy extra fans, 2 fans in the front and one in the back is probably what I'll do. Thanks for your help!

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29 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Oh, my bad--I was thinking from inside of the case as opposed to the front. Good looking front meshes haven't been the norm in the last few years for cases. 

No one knows how the future will work out but it should eventually get better. For 1080p, a 1070 or 1060 6GB should already be more than enough.

Last thing, which card would you recommend?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z6BTwP/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-ftw-ultra-silent-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-6678-kr   (Cheapest)

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TFWrxr/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-titanium-video-card-gtx-1070-ti-titanium-8g  (I like MSI tbh)

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jNgzK8/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-8gb-sc-hybrid-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-5678-kr  (Hybrid)

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jvwqqs/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-sc-gaming-acx-30-black-edition-video-card-08g-p4-5671-kr (One more EVGA Variant)

 

I've never been a fan of EVGA but I haven't tried them so lmk what you think.

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3 minutes ago, suchaklutch said:

Last thing, which card would you recommend?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jvwqqs/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-sc-gaming-acx-30-black-edition-video-card-08g-p4-5671-kr 

I'm not a fan of the look either but they're good. You could just go with the cheapest one from SuperBiiz at $530 in the last link.

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3 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

I'm not a fan of the look either but they're good. You could just go with the cheapest one from SuperBiiz at $530 in the last link.

Alright, I'll get the $509.99 Silent Version, they should work the same even though it doesn't have reviews.

 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z6BTwP/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-ftw-ultra-silent-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-6678-kr

I'm going to go ahead and end this thread, thanks for an amazing first experience with LTT.

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2 minutes ago, suchaklutch said:

Alright, I'll get the $509.99 Silent Version, they should work the same even though it doesn't have reviews.

 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z6BTwP/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-ftw-ultra-silent-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-6678-kr

I recommend checking links especially nowadays when it comes to graphics cards on PcPartPicker..

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I recommend checking links especially nowadays when it comes to graphics cards on PcPartPicker..

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Wow, didn't realize that. Ok I'll go with the last one. Thanks man, have a good day

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