Getting less FPS then im expecting

[epic_ziver_D]

I seem to be getting less FPS than what I see other people are getting on userbenchmark's FPS estimates.

So first of all dose, anyone know why I might be getting lower fps? (Not a CPU bottleneck I have a 8700k).

And second a question to anyone who has a GTX 1080 and has a 1440p monitor and either Fortnite, Overwatch, CS:GO or Unigine Heaven/Valley, say what settings they play on and how much FPS they get.

[chckovsky]

2 hours ago, epic_ziver_D said:

I seem to be getting less FPS than what I see other people are getting on userbenchmark's FPS estimates.

So first of all dose, anyone know why I might be getting lower fps? (Not a CPU bottleneck I have a 8700k).

And second a question to anyone who has a GTX 1080 and has a 1440p monitor and either Fortnite, Overwatch, CS:GO or Unigine Heaven/Valley, say what settings they play on and how much FPS they get.

Could be you don't have the all core enhancement setting on in your BIOS. Certain youtubers got much lower scores than other when benchmarking the 8700k on launch. Turns out certain MB manufacturers leave the all core enhancement on as default, while others do not. Could this be the issue?

[chckovsky]

Also it would be helpful to know in which specific games/workloads other people are getting better performance than you, that could help us point you to your problem.

[epic_ziver_D]

1 minute ago, chckovsky said:

Could be you don't have the all core enhancement setting on in your BIOS. Certain youtubers got much lower scores than other when benchmarking the 8700k on launch. Turns out certain MB manufacturers leave the all core enhancement on as default, while others do not. Could this be the issue?

It's not I am aware of MCE not being enabled by default on most mobos (I'm using a Asus one so it was). But even without this, the 8700k running at normal turbo would still not be a bottleneck.

[epic_ziver_D]

Just now, chckovsky said:

Also it would be helpful to know in which specific games/workloads other people are getting better performance than you, that could help us point you to your problem.

More or less every game and haven't tried to compare benchmarks yet.

[chckovsky]

5 minutes ago, epic_ziver_D said:

More or less every game and haven't tried to compare benchmarks yet.

What case are you using? How are the temps?

 

I recently bought a 1440p monitor for my 7700k+1080 rig (both stock speeds). I hit between 60-80 fps in the Witcher 3 with ALL settings MAXED out (GPU being the bottleneck). Haven't really played other games after getting my new monitor. However, I noticed GeForce Experience wanted me to play many games in a Dynamic Super Resolution, 3620x2036, which of course gave me worse framerates.

[epic_ziver_D]

1 hour ago, chckovsky said:

What case are you using? How are the temps?

 

I recently bought a 1440p monitor for my 7700k+1080 rig (both stock speeds). I hit between 60-80 fps in the Witcher 3 with ALL settings MAXED out (GPU being the bottleneck). Haven't really played other games after getting my new monitor. However, I noticed GeForce Experience wanted me to play many games in a Dynamic Super Resolution, 3620x2036, which of course gave me worse framerates.

Same thing with the GeForce experience but temps seem to be find altho GPU is running a bit high, when I tried to up the temp/power limit in MSI afterburner didn't notice a diffrence

[RyzenDoctor]

3 hours ago, epic_ziver_D said:

Same thing with the GeForce experience but temps seem to be find altho GPU is running a bit high, when I tried to up the temp/power limit in MSI afterburner didn't notice a diffrence

To properly diagnose issues here are my suggestions:

- Run a benchmark such as AIDA64 to get data on thermals and whether the CPU throttles

- Run a standardized benchmark such as GTA5 (have all your settings screen captured) while CAM or MSI afterburner is running in the background. This will allow us to visualize CPU and GPU usage along with FPS, and thermals

- Post that, along with your full specs

 

Things we'd be looking for:

- Subpar utilization of GPU and CPU. This could be due to thermal throttling or bad drivers/software or ram issues

- Subpar utilization of GPU with the CPU maxed out (unlikely given the 7700K)

- GPU maxed out but not the CPU; this is what we would be expecting of full GPU utilization.

 

I dont know much about how the Witcher 3 performs at 1440p, but running at 1440p rather than 1080p needs ~ 2X the processing power. 

 

 

[epic_ziver_D]

3 minutes ago, RyzenDoctor said:

To properly diagnose issues here are my suggestions:

- Run a benchmark such as AIDA64 to get data on thermals and whether the CPU throttles

- Run a standardized benchmark such as GTA5 (have all your settings screen captured) while CAM or MSI afterburner is running in the background. This will allow us to visualize CPU and GPU usage along with FPS, and thermals

- Post that, along with your full specs

 

Things we'd be looking for:

- Subpar utilization of GPU and CPU. This could be due to thermal throttling or bad drivers/software or ram issues

- Subpar utilization of GPU with the CPU maxed out (unlikely given the 7700K)

- GPU maxed out but not the CPU; this is what we would be expecting of full GPU utilization.

 

I dont know much about how the Witcher 3 performs at 1440p, but running at 1440p rather than 1080p needs ~ 2X the processing power. 

 

 

8700k*

 

I dont have GTA or Witcher 3

 

CPU is not thermal throttling or bottlenecking the GPU 

 

GPU is not thermal throttling either (Clocks are staying at 1950-2000Mhz and temp reach 85 tops) 

 

It doesn't matter how hard it is to run 1440p I'm just getting less then I see other places (In my case 1440p165 is harder to run than 4k60 so im not expecting full 165 fps)

(Also technically half of 1440p is 1810.193359837562 by 1018.233764908628)

[Efilnikufesin]

Is the cpu running at full clock speeds while gaming? Had an issue with this since the last windows update, kept changing my power profile. HWmonitor and gpu-z readings would be nice too.

[KarathKasun]

16 minutes ago, epic_ziver_D said:

8700k*

 

I dont have GTA or Witcher 3

 

CPU is not thermal throttling or bottlenecking the GPU 

 

GPU is not thermal throttling either (Clocks are staying at 1950-2000Mhz and temp reach 85 tops) 

 

It doesn't matter how hard it is to run 1440p I'm just getting less then I see other places (In my case 1440p165 is harder to run than 4k60 so im not expecting full 165 fps)

(Also technically half of 1440p is 1810.193359837562 by 1018.233764908628)

Its close enough to double, 177%, that you would expect FPS to drop by about half (~45%).

 

GPU will "throttle" at anything over ~70c.  More correctly, it will not boost as high if temps are over ~70c.

[epic_ziver_D]

25 minutes ago, Efilnikufesin said:

Is the cpu running at full clock speeds while gaming? Had an issue with this since the last windows update, kept changing my power profile. HWmonitor and gpu-z readings would be nice too.

Yep full 4.7GHz on all 6 cores (MCE Enabled)

Currently, with HWMonitor being open for quite a while the lowerest clock is 4.6

 

16 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Its close enough to double, 177%, that you would expect FPS to drop by about half.

 

GPU will "throttle" at anything over ~70c.  More correctly, it will not boost as high if temps are over ~70c.

IDK if this matter but temp limit is set to max in MSI Afterburner and as I said clock speeds are fine (1950MHz)

HWMonitorOut.txt

 

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, epic_ziver_D said:

Yep full 4.7GHz on all 6 cores (MCE Enabled)

Currently, with HWMonitor being open for quite a while the lowerest clock is 4.6

 

IDK if this matter but temp limit is set to max in MSI Afterburner and as I said clock speeds are fine (1950MHz)

 

HWMonitorOut.txt

It still has an impact on boost clocks AFAIK.

 

Also, disconnect the other two monitors, it takes extra GPU power to run those and it will negatively impact many benchmarks.

[epic_ziver_D]

Just now, KarathKasun said:

It still has an impact on boost clocks AFAIK.

 

Also, disconnect the other two monitors, it takes extra GPU power to run those and it will negatively impact many benchmarks.

Have tested that, it dose boost performance (sometimes up to 10 FPS) but from FPS estiemates at the 2 games I tested in it isn't as big as the performance diffrence.

[KarathKasun]

Whats the difference you are seeing and where are you getting the numbers from?

[epic_ziver_D]

Also, anyone who has a GTX 1080 and a 1440p monitor and Fortnite or Overwatch, what settings are you playing on and how much FPS are you getting.

[Efilnikufesin]

Can you show the sensor tab on gpu-z during your next gaming experience ?

[epic_ziver_D]

Just now, KarathKasun said:

Whats the difference you are seeing and where are you getting the numbers from?

Up to 30-40FPS in some cases (Like overwatch) I can't test how much exactly rn but something like that (Sometimes less but quite often that kind of difference)

[KarathKasun]

Just now, epic_ziver_D said:

Up to 30-40FPS in some cases (Like overwatch) I can't test how much exactly rn but something like that (Sometimes less but quite often that kind of difference)

At what levels of FPS?  Im looking for a percentage here, sorry if that wasn't clear.

[epic_ziver_D]

4 minutes ago, Efilnikufesin said:

Can you show the sensor tab on gpu-z during your next gaming experience ?

Most of what you can see there is visible in the 2nd screenshot I attached earlier of HWMonitor's GPU thing

 

EDIT: IGNORE THIS IT IS INCORRECT ACDENTLY RESTARTED HWMONITOR BEFORE TAKING A SCREENSHOT

 

[epic_ziver_D]

1 minute ago, KarathKasun said:

At what levels of FPS?  Im looking for a percentage here, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Estimated FPS is 130 im getting 90-100 with some 110

[Efilnikufesin]

2 minutes ago, epic_ziver_D said:

Most of what you can see there is visible in the 2nd screenshot I attached earlier of HWMonitor's GPU thing

 

 

EDIT: IGNORE THIS IT IS INCORRECT ACDENTLY RESTARTED HWMONITOR BEFORE TAKING A SCREENSHOT

 

Ok, would like to see how it is performing over a period of time, a min max at any single time span does no good.

[KarathKasun]

5 minutes ago, epic_ziver_D said:

Estimated FPS is 130 im getting 90-100 with some 110

Assuming those are Fortnite numbers, you are in the proper range.  Most people do not seem to be running max everything at 2560x1440 on the 1080 because they want CS:GO levels of FPS.  Seems most set everything to epic and then set shadows to medium/high.

 

Seeing reports of ultra minus shadows and getting ~110.

 

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1080ti 11g w i7 7700k 1080p & everything epic 80-140fps

 

[epic_ziver_D]

2 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Assuming those are Fortnite numbers, you are in the proper range.  Most people do not seem to be running max everything at 2560x1440 on the 1080 because they want CS:GO levels of FPS.

 

Seeing reports of ultra minus shadows and getting ~110.

This is overwatch I'm talking about

 

http://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-Overwatch/3789/137575.0.Max.1440p.i7

[KarathKasun]

15 minutes ago, epic_ziver_D said:

This is overwatch I'm talking also forgot to mention something very important people the FPS estimates shows people playing on max and I put all settings between medium to high to get better FPS

 

http://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-Overwatch/3789/137575.0.Max.1440p.i7

You are also relying on people to report accurately, its a major flaw in UB's FPS estimates. (many people will report their MAX FPS, not average)

 

Those could also be massively OC'd parts as well.

 

Can you link your UB result?  (link looks like this http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7887451)