Constant Microstutter?

[BoopityDoop]

Up to about a week ago, this problem never existed - but however now it's started to rear it's ugly face. Dreaded micro-stutter, which gives me migraines/headaches. Already reset the card back to default, and yet it continues to happen. I'm at 100hz, frame-rate is locked at 100fps on any game i play and never drops below that, frame-time never fluctuates. Genuinely don't know what to do. No amount of updating drivers/downgrading drivers is solving it. BIOS, Windows etc. is already fully up-to date. Running Windows 10 LTSB (clean install), never crashed, never BSOD'd. Memory is stable at 3600MHz, and 8600k @ 4.7GHz, never reaches above 50% usage in most games. Already DDU'd drivers multiple times in Safe Mode,  reinstalled most drivers to make sure it isn't some conflict, nothing solves it. Give some suggestions.

 

Monitor: LG 34UC39G-B via DP

CPU: 8600k @ 5GHz

GPU: Palit Dual GTX 1060 6G

MOBO: Z370M Mortar

RAM: 16GB G.SKILL TRIDENT Z @ 3600MHz

PSU: Corsair RM650x

[Morgan Everett]

29 minutes ago, BoopityDoop said:

Up to about a week ago, this problem never existed - but however now it's started to rear it's ugly face. Dreaded micro-stutter, which gives me migraines/headaches. Already reset the card back to default, and yet it continues to happen. I'm at 100hz, frame-rate is locked at 100fps on any game i play and never drops below that, frame-time never fluctuates. Genuinely don't know what to do. No amount of updating drivers/downgrading drivers is solving it. BIOS, Windows etc. is already fully up-to date. Running Windows 10 LTSB (clean install), never crashed, never BSOD'd. Memory is stable at 3600MHz, and 8600k @ 4.7GHz, never reaches above 50% usage in most games. Already DDU'd drivers multiple times in Safe Mode,  reinstalled most drivers to make sure it isn't some conflict, nothing solves it. Give some suggestions.

System and monitor specs are a good place to start.

[BoopityDoop]

41 minutes ago, Morgan Everett said:

System and monitor specs are a good place to start.

Updated the post. Included main system components, as well as Monitor.

[DocSwag]

6 minutes ago, BoopityDoop said:

Updated the post. Included main system components, as well as Monitor.

The monitor doesn't exist... Do you mean the 34UC79G? If that's the case, the monitor is 144 hz so you should be aiming for that, not 100 fps.

 

Is v sync enabled?

[BoopityDoop]

8 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

The monitor doesn't exist... Do you mean the 34UC79G? If that's the case, the monitor is 144 hz so you should be aiming for that, not 100 fps.

 

Is v sync enabled?

Yeah, that's the monitor i meant - typo on my side. As for aiming for 144hz, i've purposely set a custom res in the nvidia control panel and set the refresh to 100hz, since this 1060 struggles to get anywhere near 144fps at 2560x1080.  As for having vsync active, no it is not, i get horrible input lag with it active so prefer it not active. 

[DocSwag]

9 minutes ago, BoopityDoop said:

Yeah, that's the monitor i meant - typo on my side. As for aiming for 144hz, i've purposely set a custom res in the nvidia control panel and set the refresh to 100hz, since this 1060 struggles to get anywhere near 144fps at 2560x1080.  As for having vsync active, no it is not, i get horrible input lag with it active so prefer it not active. 

Make sure it's not enabled in game. Some games decide to enable it for you. Also check that fast sync isn't enabled.

 

You also might want to check ram and vram usage to make sure they aren't getting too high, as well as making sure that your cpu and gpu aren't throttling for whatever reason.

[BoopityDoop]

15 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Make sure it's not enabled in game. Some games decide to enable it for you. Also check that fast sync isn't enabled.

 

You also might want to check ram and vram usage to make sure they aren't getting too high, as well as making sure that your cpu and gpu aren't throttling for whatever reason.

Well CPU/RAM/VRAM usage never are really that high. CPU maxes out at about 50% usage, VRAM at about 3/4/5GB usage out of the full 6GB available - depending on game, RAM at about 30-50% usage depending on game.

 

Apart from the vsync being active in games (i'll check them now), i don't see how or why these would be throttling whatsoever. GPU temps rarely exceed about 60c, CPU barely even pushes past 55c under gaming conditions. This whole micro-stuttering shenanigans is just annoying that it's randomly started out of nowhere after all these months of perfectly stable and fine gaming. Only thing i'm thinking is Windows somehow fucking up and displaying incorrect frametimes/frame pacing - though that doesn't explain why multiple clean installs of the drivers hasn't fixed that.

[Morgan Everett]

Which games are you playing?

[BoopityDoop]

16 minutes ago, Morgan Everett said:

Which games are you playing?

Quiet a few. 

- War thunder

- PUBG

- Battlefield 1/3/4

- The Division

Those mainly. The microstutter is present in them all. 

[Biggerboot]

In Nvidia control panel I'd make sure VSync is forced off on Global 3D settings.
Does it happen on lower framerates too? (60hz)  Tried other monitors?
Also very slight chance it could be the PSU or Overclock.  

[BoopityDoop]

5 hours ago, Biggerboot said:

In Nvidia control panel I'd make sure VSync is forced off on Global 3D settings.
Does it happen on lower framerates too? (60hz)  Tried other monitors?
Also very slight chance it could be the PSU or Overclock.  

I'll force it off now. As for lower framerates, this happens at any framerate, it's pretty much consistent every few seconds and mainly happens when i'm moving my mouse around the screen in games. The overclock i've reset back to default and the same thing occurs, PSU is pretty new too.

[Morgan Everett]

Any chance of a video of what you're seeing?

[BoopityDoop]

50 minutes ago, Morgan Everett said:

Any chance of a video of what you're seeing?

I'm not at my PC right now, but this video 

is the exact same thing i'm facing - though mine happens more frequently and for less time. It doesn't affect looking up and down, only panning side to side. I have a Logitech G502 @ 1000hz polling rate. The guy in the video states his only happens when his CPU is pinned @ 100%, something which doesn't happen to me, i rarely see above 50% usage across all cores. It is manifesting in the same way though, visible stutter when i'm panning left and right.

[BoopityDoop]

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[Morgan Everett]

Have you reinstalled Windows since the problem appeared?

[Biggerboot]

• Try recording with software or use a different video cable (if it stutters, it's not an issue with the monitor or video cable)
• Try gameplay on lowest settings, with GPU and iGPU (if it stutters it's not an issue with the video card or driver)
• Reseat RAM, run on default speeds if you have an OC, run memtest (if it stutters, it's not the RAM)
• At that point, I'd swap PSU.  Even a high rated one has a chance of crapping out and I've seen PSUs cause microstutters before dying.

You can try reinstalling the OS if all else fails, or if it's convenient try it first.

[Kenjo]

On 3/16/2018 at 1:09 PM, BoopityDoop said:

Up to about a week ago, this problem never existed - but however now it's started to rear it's ugly face. Dreaded micro-stutter, which gives me migraines/headaches. Already reset the card back to default, and yet it continues to happen. I'm at 100hz, frame-rate is locked at 100fps on any game i play and never drops below that, frame-time never fluctuates. Genuinely don't know what to do. No amount of updating drivers/downgrading drivers is solving it. BIOS, Windows etc. is already fully up-to date. Running Windows 10 LTSB (clean install), never crashed, never BSOD'd. Memory is stable at 3600MHz, and 8600k @ 4.7GHz, never reaches above 50% usage in most games. Already DDU'd drivers multiple times in Safe Mode,  reinstalled most drivers to make sure it isn't some conflict, nothing solves it. Give some suggestions.

 

Monitor: LG 34UC39G-B via DP

CPU: 8600k @ 5GHz

GPU: Palit Dual GTX 1060 6G

MOBO: Z370M Mortar

RAM: 16GB G.SKILL TRIDENT Z @ 3600MHz

PSU: Corsair RM650x

This isnt any help i thnk but i had the same issue with my 6700k and an Gtx 1070 (asus Turbo) it vansihed when i changed to Amd... R7 1700 @ 3.9ghz stable 2666mhz mem, not a single microstutter at any framerate, even with the current gtx 770 im using.. since the 1070 died... try lowering ram speed see if it helps

 

[Biggerboot]

1 minute ago, Kenjo said:

This isnt any help i thnk but i had the same issue with my 6700k and an Gtx 1070 (asus Turbo) it vansihed when i changed to Amd... R7 1700 @ 3.9ghz stable 2666mhz mem, not a single microstutter at any framerate, even with the current gtx 770 im using.. since the 1070 died... try lowering ram speed see if it helps

 

When trying this, I'd just disable XMP altogether (your default speed should be 2400mhz).

[Biggerboot]

*Double post*

[Kenjo]

Just now, Biggerboot said:

 

Dont know if you answered me or OG but i have no microstutter at all on the AMD system compared to the Intel  just saying.. maybe lowering the ddr to what its rated and it will go away.. unlike amd faster ddr doesnt make that much difference for intel.. its always slow

 

[Biggerboot]

5 minutes ago, Kenjo said:

Dont know if you answered me or OG but i have no microstutter at all on the AMD system compared to the Intel  just saying.. maybe lowering the ddr to what its rated and it will go away.. unlike amd faster ddr doesnt make that much difference for intel.. its always slow

 

Right, it was meant to be directed at the OP but in reference to your suggestion.

I'd suggest starting with the XMP off, then on but at the same requency, then increase frequency, etc.  It could indicate if the RAM is degrading or if the XMP feature itself is an issue on that Mobo, or conflicting with RAM.

Sometimes reseating the RAM does help these situations.  Not saying it isn't prevelent on Intel platforms with OC'd RAM, but you can certainly be fine with Intel on the lower speeds.

[Kenjo]

Just now, Biggerboot said:

Right, it was meant to be directed at the OP but in reference to your suggestion.

I'd suggest starting with the XMP off, then on but at the same requency, then increase frequency, etc.

Sometimes reseating the RAM does help these situations.  Not saying it isn't prevelent on Intel platforms with OC'd RAM, but you can certainly be fine with Intel on the lower speeds.

That is true, just because you can run your ram at 99999mhz with no bsod doesnt mean it will increase your performance.. you have to find a sweet spot... with my budget ballistix ram it seems to be 2666mhz and not 2933 or higher... im not bothered though since atm every game is smooth albeit only at 45-50 fps or lower ;/ and game settings at medium/low... sick n tired of crypto mining and Ram fixing