New programming rig

[super_koza]

Hi!

 

No gaming. Only programming (C, C++, Cuda, Tensorflow, OpenCV), standard university stuff and other day-to-day things.

Budget +/- 1000€.

Reusing 8GB RAM, until prices are back to normal. Then I will buy a decent 16GB kit. Old Gainward GTX 970 GPU. New WD Red NASware 3TB HDD.

 

Overclocking? If overclocking possible, probably. If not, doesn't matter.

No OS needed, will be using Linux.

 

AMD option:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MRmCmq

 

Intel:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NMWcCb

 

 

I have 8GB RAM, which I will use until prices go back to normal. Later I will buy 16GB kit. I also have GTX 970 which I do not plan to change.
Further more, I have an additional HDD. 

Ignore prices listed by PCPartPicker.
AMD option costs 900€, while Intel option costs 955€. AMD option does not include WiFi card which is additional 30€. Also, compatible ram for AMD is probably 10-20€ more expensive. If I were to overclock the AMD processor, I would need a new cooler, but for the first hand I could use the boxed one.

Intel option does not include a cooler, as the chosen CPU is tray version. An additional cooler would cost me probably 30€. Intel option has much much better motherboard, it just seems of better quality. It also provides dual PCI m.2 slots. Intel also has a slight advantage of the integrated GPU. I could use it to push video to monitor, while I use my GPU exclusively for computing.

I have watched some of the programming benchmarks and it seems that both AMD and Intel CPUs are more or less equivalent. AMD is faster when compiling, but Intel is faster when linking. 

I believe Intel is more respected brand and I have more trust in it, but I think Intel is more vulnerable by Spectre and Meltdown...

 

So both options cost about the same and as I am pretty happy with both rigs, I have no idea which one to take...

 

Any help appreciated.

 

EDIT: This topic is somewhat linked to:

 

[WhatsTheWifiPassword]

what's the serial # or part # for the ram sticks 

[super_koza]

Just now, WhatsTheWifiPassword said:

what's the serial # or part # for the ram sticks 

I don't know right now. I don't have it on hand. I would say it is a 8GB 2400MHz stick. 
It doesn't really matter, as it is only a placeholder, until the prices become reasonable...

[MikeSK]

Manufacturer

MSI

Part #

B350M MORTAR

Color

Black / Red

Form Factor

Micro ATX

CPU Socket

AM4

Chipset

AMD B350

Memory Slots

4 x 288-pin DIMM

Memory Type

DDR4-1866 / 2133 / 2400 / 2666 / 2933 / 3200

Maximum Supported Memory

64GB

 

[super_koza]

What?

[WhatsTheWifiPassword]

2 hours ago, super_koza said:

I don't know right now. I don't have it on hand. I would say it is a 8GB 2400MHz stick. 
It doesn't really matter, as it is only a placeholder, until the prices become reasonable...

well you may buy a mobo and all the parts, but if the ram you have is not on the QVL, then there is a chance that you can't use the pc 

[super_koza]

So memory compatibility is still a thing with Ryzen CPUs? 

[Technomancer__]

1 hour ago, super_koza said:

So memory compatibility is still a thing with Ryzen CPUs? 

its being resolved

i can run my corsair lpx at 3200mhz which i couldn't on launch so. they are hynix btw not Samsung b die

[Technomancer__]

go with the amd system it will be more powerfull

[Technomancer__]

8 hours ago, super_koza said:

Intel also has a slight advantage of the integrated GPU. I could use it to push video to monitor, while I use my GPU exclusively for computing.

 

 

it will make no difference and it scenarios like games which you dont play it will be worse

[Technomancer__]

8 hours ago, super_koza said:

Intel option has much much better motherboard, it just seems of better quality.

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you can just get a better mobo like the asus prime x370

[Technomancer__]

8 hours ago, super_koza said:

If I were to overclock the AMD processor, I would need a new cooler, but for the first hand I could use the boxed one.

 

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you can oc it quite well its included cooler

you could oc it with the current cooler and in the future upgrade to something like the noctua nd 15 am4 and have it run cooler, quiter and with a better oc

[r3loAded]

51 minutes ago, Ethocreeper said:

it will make no difference and it scenarios like games which you dont play it will be worse

I read it multiple times and couldn't understand what you're trying to say.

 

Also, you know that you can quote multiple times in the same reply/post, right? Right?

 

9 hours ago, super_koza said:

I could use it to push video to monitor, while I use my GPU exclusively for computing.

That sounds like a good call. This way you can dedicate the 970 100% to computing, which should be ideal in your case.

 

9 hours ago, super_koza said:

So both options cost about the same and as I am pretty happy with both rigs, I have no idea which one to take...

Personally I would go with Intel. No, I'm not an Intel fanboy, it's just my usual choice for stability, reliability and better ram compatibility. True, with AMD you "might" get longer CPU support, considering the Intel's trend to change socket every 2 generations.

 

My opinion is a personal one, so take it with a pinch of salt. If it doesn't help at all, let me know and I will delete it

[super_koza]

There are some weird people here...

 

@r3loAded, thanks a lot for the piece of your mind. This is basically what I hoped to hear.

 

I do not replace my PCs that often, so 2 year compatibility from AMD side does not mean much to me.

Overclocking with a stock cooler is a huge no-no for me. There is a reason why that cooler is included. There is also a reason why 1600x comes withouth a cooler.
Also, there is no sense that 65W TDP CPU comes with a 95W TDP cooler, while a 95W TDP comes with no cooler...