1700x Won't Overclock

[SSingiser]

Hey Everyone,
So I built a 1700x rig last night and I've been trying to overclock for the past 5 hours. I'm able to post and work fine in windows without an overclock but no matter how small the overclock is, I can't post and my CPU and DRAM LED's are on. The system stays on but nothing happens. I've tried different bios, reseating cpu, ram, changing configurations. I don't know whats going on. Also, my cpu is sitting at 65 degrees which looks high to me. 

Build:
ryzen 1700x

MSI pro carbon gaming x370 board

16gb g skill tridentz rgb 3200

nzxt kraken x52

evga 1080ti sc2 hybrid

evga gq 650 gold

 

If you need any other info, please ask and I'll do my best to get you what you need.

[Anghammarad]

I surely haven't had any ryzen systems in my hands for now, but I had a similar issue with an Abit Fatal1ty FP-in 9 SLI motherboard... it was a highend gamer/overclocker board but a *itch to work with.

 

When I got them (Wife and I both had them) we couldn't even overclock the slightest. I went through overclockers guides for our CPU/Mobo combos to no avail... 

 

Out of frustration I configured a balls to the wall overclock... going so high up, it was insane... the machine booted fine, windows bluescreened... but afterwards a normal overclock was possible without any problem... 

 

Like an old exhaust, the board seemed to be blown through big time. Afterwards the C2D 4300 ran at 3 ghz without any problems or stability issues.

 

Perhaps your motherboard is such a *itch as well... But like I said, can't say for sure.

 

To bring in some personal opinion build during many years, I wouldn't touch MSIs mobos... the ones I had to work with were all such things, I was happy to not own them...

 

In addition 65° in idle is way too high. 

 

When you go for the OC are you doing CPU and ram the same time or just CPU?

[SquintyG33Rs]

MSI's boards had loads of problems at launch. did you update bios to second latest? not the latest because that one included the support for the new APU's and will break shit on the board

[SSingiser]

3 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

MSI's boards had loads of problems at launch. did you update bios to second latest? not the latest because that one included the support for the new APU's and will break shit on the board

I tried multiple Bios versions and all of them gave me the same problems.

 

6 minutes ago, Anghammarad said:

I surely haven't had any ryzen systems in my hands for now, but I had a similar issue with an Abit Fatal1ty FP-in 9 SLI motherboard... it was a highend gamer/overclocker board but a *itch to work with.

 

When I got them (Wife and I both had them) we couldn't even overclock the slightest. I went through overclockers guides for our CPU/Mobo combos to no avail... 

 

Out of frustration I configured a balls to the wall overclock... going so high up, it was insane... the machine booted fine, windows bluescreened... but afterwards a normal overclock was possible without any problem... 

 

Like an old exhaust, the board seemed to be blown through big time. Afterwards the C2D 4300 ran at 3 ghz without any problems or stability issues.

 

Perhaps your motherboard is such a *itch as well... But like I said, can't say for sure.

 

To bring in some personal opinion build during many years, I wouldn't touch MSIs mobos... the ones I had to work with were all such things, I was happy to not own them...

 

In addition 65° in idle is way too high. 

 

When you go for the OC are you doing CPU and ram the same time or just CPU?

I'm only doing cpu at the moment because I already know RAM will cause issues over clocking

[SquintyG33Rs]

5 minutes ago, SSingiser said:

I tried multiple Bios versions and all of them gave me the same problems.

 

I'm only doing cpu at the moment because I already know RAM will cause issues over clocking

ram will only cause issues if you have the wrong one. and it's pretty simple once you know if you do.

 

so in this case it's either a faulty board. which was much too common on MSI boards at launch like i said. i thought it was not the case on the current retail units anymore though.

 

I was personally very lucky on my 3 samples and didn't have problems but allot of people had serious problems.

 

otherwise what's the exact ram kit you have? it seems you got the 3200CAS16 which would be bad for you...... and just to be sure you have XMP off right now, right? since you said you didn't OC the ram

 

considering the readout on the board i'd try giving the NB_V a bit more. 1.2 or something like that and see if that maybe fixes your problem

[SSingiser]

2 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

ram will only cause issues if you have the wrong one. and it's pretty simple once you know if you do.

 

so in this case it's either a faulty board. which was much too common on MSI boards at launch like i said. i thought it was not the case on the current retail units anymore though.

 

I was personally very lucky on my 3 samples and didn't have problems but allot of people had serious problems.

 

otherwise what's the exact ram kit you have? it seems you got the 3200CAS16 which would be bad for you...... and just to be sure you have XMP off right now, right? since you said you didn't OC the ram

I tried different ram sticks and nothing worked. The current ram I have I know works on other ryzen builds. XMP is off. I've never had a problem with this board before. I've done 3 builds with it before. I can work perfectly fine in windows without an overclock but as soon as I even try to put it, the pc turns on but no post and I get the two LED's for cpu and dram.

[SquintyG33Rs]

Just now, SSingiser said:

I tried different ram sticks and nothing worked. The current ram I have I know works on other ryzen builds. XMP is off. I've never had a problem with this board before. I've done 3 builds with it before. I can work perfectly fine in windows without an overclock but as soon as I even try to put it, the pc turns on but no post and I get the two LED's for cpu and dram.

i edited, give North bridge some voltage. you might have been unlucky on your memory controller

[SSingiser]

3 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

i edited, give North bridge some voltage. you might have been unlucky on your memory controller

I believe I already did. I had that going to 1.2v if that's the correct thing I was pushing up. All of this still doesn't explain the 65 degrees when I have a that type of cooler on it.

[SquintyG33Rs]

Just now, SSingiser said:

I believe I already did. I had that going to 1.2v if that's the correct thing I was pushing up. All of this still doesn't explain the 65 degrees when I have a that type of cooler on it.

well temps in bios are normally high because none of the power saving features are on. and the fans are also usually at max to counter this (when plugged directly to the motherboard)

 

I really don't know what it could be. since you say you've tested with other chips and other ram kits and all those work it seems to point towards the chip itself but that's weirdly unlikely

[SSingiser]

4 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

well temps in bios are normally high because none of the power saving features are on. and the fans are also usually at max to counter this (when plugged directly to the motherboard)

 

I really don't know what it could be. since you say you've tested with other chips and other ram kits and all those work it seems to point towards the chip itself but that's weirdly unlikely

Yeah that's why I'm confused. I'm wondering if it's the cpu but I really have no idea.

[SquintyG33Rs]

Just now, SSingiser said:

Yeah that's why I'm confused. I'm wondering if it's the cpu but I really have no idea.

you don't have another board to test with? I mean you could buy a cheap b350 for a basic test and return it after

[SSingiser]

4 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

you don't have another board to test with? I mean you could buy a cheap b350 for a basic test and return it after

That's not a bad idea. I could swap the stuff from this rig into my rig and see what happens. If that works out, my guess is that it's the mobo

[SquintyG33Rs]

Just now, SSingiser said:

That's not a bad idea. I could swap the stuff from this rig into my rig and see what happens. If that works out, my guess is that it's the mobo

and if you just buy another one of your mobo you can just return the faulty one (not the most honest thing but not everybody cares)

[SSingiser]

3 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

and if you just buy another one of your mobo you can just return the faulty one (not the most honest thing but not everybody cares)

Yeah I could care less lol

[RadiatingLight]

1700x has a 20c offest in temps, so 65c on the screen is really 45c

[Santo22]

if everything is up to date there should be no offset. But I have a feeling that maybe you have not installed the latest chipset. Can you go to your power settings and see if you have the Ryzen Power Plan option. 

[SSingiser]

15 minutes ago, Santo22 said:

if everything is up to date there should be no offset. But I have a feeling that maybe you have not installed the latest chipset. Can you go to your power settings and see if you have the Ryzen Power Plan option. 

Have to stop for the night. I'll be testing again tomorrow so I will update the thread tomorrow on the progress.

[SSingiser]

Just an update, I updated the chipset and I'm still having problems. I'm curious to know if it could alsozbe a psu problem. Thoughts?

[Maxxtraxx]

Does the system work normally when it is not overclocked? 

Did you do any stress testing at stock speeds before attempting overclocking?

If you cannot answer those questions I would start by doing that first, if all is stable and temps are fine then try overclocking again.

 

AMD seems to have been very specific with their binning of the ryzen chips(1800x, 1800, 1700x, 1700) with these 4 chips having a relatively small max frequency spread for the exact same product, they seem to have very limited clock speeds compared to Intel and seem to respond less to overclocking and hit a hard frequency wall between 3.8 and 4.1 GHz hence why AMD charges a premium for their higher clicked chips.

 

You very simply may have lost the silicon lottery and have a chip that can JUST hit it's stock speeds. It stinks... But overclocking is not guaranteed at all.

 

I hope you do find some extra frequency!

 

Good luck!

[TacticlTwinkie]

15 minutes ago, Maxxtraxx said:

You very simply may have lost the silicon lottery and have a chip that can JUST hit it's stock speeds. It stinks... But overclocking is not guaranteed at all.

 

I hope you do find some extra frequency!

 

Good luck!

This is completely possible. I had an i5 4670k that could not break 4.0 Ghz no matter what I did. I lost the silicon lottery, and you very well might have to. You are only guaranteed the stock clocks. Anything beyond that is, well, a lottery.

[SSingiser]

48 minutes ago, Maxxtraxx said:

Does the system work normally when it is not overclocked? 

Did you do any stress testing at stock speeds before attempting overclocking?

If you cannot answer those questions I would start by doing that first, if all is stable and temps are fine then try overclocking again.

 

AMD seems to have been very specific with their binning of the ryzen chips(1800x, 1800, 1700x, 1700) with these 4 chips having a relatively small max frequency spread for the exact same product, they seem to have very limited clock speeds compared to Intel and seem to respond less to overclocking and hit a hard frequency wall between 3.8 and 4.1 GHz hence why AMD charges a premium for their higher clicked chips.

 

You very simply may have lost the silicon lottery and have a chip that can JUST hit it's stock speeds. It stinks... But overclocking is not guaranteed at all.

 

I hope you do find some extra frequency!

 

Good luck!

Everything works fine without the overclock. My issue I have is that I can't even get the chip to 3.5. Even if I was shit out of luck, I should be able to atleast get it to 3.5. It could very well be it just can't overclock but that's pretty shitty if that's the case.

[lukart]

On 06/12/2017 at 5:15 AM, SquintyG33Rs said:

MSI's boards had loads of problems at launch. did you update bios to second latest? not the latest because that one included the support for the new APU's and will break shit on the board

Not only that, MSI boards are not the best for overclocking... 
Always been a huge fan of Asrock since I love overclocking and they have overclocking on their DNA

Actually on their R&D they have overclockers to help developing the models and tuning the bios.