Realization

[Jack Dvorak]

Thanks to the new techquicky video I possibly realize why my hard drive failed. It is a combination of these three things...

 

1. Holding the power button forcing a shutdown to shut it off for two years every day...

2. Powering it off during updates

3. Perhaps the biggest, dropping it about 3 feet.

[Guest]

I think this goes under status update, could be wrong though.

[m0k]

8 minutes ago, Jack Dvorak said:

1. Holding the power button forcing a shutdown to shut it off for two years every day...

2. Powering it off during updates

3. Perhaps the biggest, dropping it about 3 feet.

sounds like you purposely gave no shits about your pc....lol

[Guest]

Step one: remove power button. (yes, I've done it, got no power button)

Step two: disable any and all updates.

Step three: put your pc on the floor. Even a pc on carpet is better then a falling pc. (or make it STRONG and heavy, so it's hard to push it over/have accidents)

 

 

Optional: add some cooling aimed to your HDD, and you get an easy 7+ years out of your HDD.

[Jack Dvorak]

11 minutes ago, mok said:

sounds like you purposely gave no shits about your pc....lol

Yep pretty much

[Jack Dvorak]

3 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

Step one: remove power button. (yes, I've done it, got no power button)

Step two: disable any and all updates.

Step three: put your pc on the floor. Even a pc on carpet is better then a falling pc. (or make it STRONG and heavy, so it's hard to push it over/have accidents)

 

 

Optional: add some cooling aimed to your HDD, and you get an easy 7+ years out of your HDD.

I had a fan right next to it yeah and I had no other place to put it lol

 

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6 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

Step one: remove power button. (yes, I've done it, got no power button)

Step two: disable any and all updates.

Step three: put your pc on the floor. Even a pc on carpet is better then a falling pc. (or make it STRONG and heavy, so it's hard to push it over/have accidents)

 

 

 

Optional: add some cooling aimed to your HDD, and you get an easy 7+ years out of your HDD.

Estimated life remaining: 97 days

[Guest]

@Ryan_Vickers

 

MORE THAN 97 days.

 

Another drive (seagate) has 1235 days been used. (24/7) and has at least 588 days remaining. I take all this information with a shovel of sand btw. (except the in-use information)

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3 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

@Ryan_Vickers

 

MORE THAN 97 days.

 

Another drive (seagate) has 1235 days been used. (24/7) and has at least 588 days remaining. I take all this information with a shovel of sand btw. (except the in-use information)

You have to wonder how it decided on that number with a track record of over 2500 days used and still 97% health, what made it so unsure to not predict, oh, idk, like 5000+ days remaining?

[Guest]

@Ryan_Vickers Do you see that questionmark button, next to the "repeat test" button? When I click on it, I get the build-in help page. After scrolling a bit, I find this big piece of text. (did read it before posting this screenshot btw, because I didn't realize this disk was already 7 years old...)

 

If you want an TLDR: average lifespan for drives is set to 5 years, or 1825 days.

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Estimated remaining lifetime

Analyse data field

if the "Analyse data field" option is selected as condition calculation method on the advanced options page, the remaining lifetime is calculated by the following method:

• By default, the total expected lifetime of a hard disk in perfect condition is defined as 5 years (running every day and night on all days). This is equal to 1825 days in 24/7 mode or 43800 hours.

• The elapsed power on time decreases this value.

• The result is decreased according the number of days when the temperature was too high. If the maximum (peak) temperature was high, it is not so critical but if the average temperature was too high (it means the temperature was high for longer time) the result is reduced drastically.

• The result is multiplied by the square of the health value of the disk.

Note: Hard Disk Sentinel displays 1000 days as maximum value for estimated remaining lifetime. Of course in an ideal situation this value will not decrease even after hundreds of days.

For example: the hard disk is working for 600 days (600 x 24 hours) and its temperature was not too hot (there were no days with too high average temperature) and the health is 70%. The total remaining lifetime is 1225 x 0.7 x 0.7 = 600 days and 6 hours.

As you can see, the health value drastically determines the estimated remaining lifetime of the hard disk. If the health value is low, the remaining lifetime display will remain unchanged for many days, even if the power on time value increases. For example, if the health value is 25% for a hard disk, 16 days needed (assuming the hard disk is working 24 hours daily) to decrease the remaining lifetime with one single day (because 16 x 0.25 x 0.25 = 1).

Note: the estimated remaining lifetime depends on many factors (temperature, health) so it is recommended to perform the steps of the temperature calibration and select the correct condition calculation method based on the actual situation and use the correct offset values for the S.M.A.R.T. attributes if neccessary. Only advanced users should use and modify these options because a wrong combination of settings may result in improper display of some values.

 

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Just now, Dutch-stoner said:

@Ryan_Vickers Do you see that questionmark button, next to the "repeat test" button? When I click on it, I get the build-in help page. After scrolling a bit, I find this big piece of text. (did read it before posting this screenshot btw, because I didn't realize this disk was already 7 years old...)

 

If you want an TLDR: average lifespan for drives is set to 5 years, or 1825 days.

 

Ah, so it's just counting down a preset amount of expected time... well that's not very sophisticated >_>

[Guest]

My disk has passed the "preset amount of expected time" 2 years, and it still has an positive live expectancy. So it's more sophisticated. And it also adds the temps and health into the mix.

 

Anyways, screenshot for the temps of this drive is at the bottom. And to make a sidenote: those max temps of 41 degrees must have been from a period where I had stacked too many HDD's without active cooling several years ago. Fixed it.

 

If you PM me next year, I'm 99% sure I've added another 365 and still going strong.

 

*PS: installed this program today, and take the numbers for what they are.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Dutch-stoner said:

My disk has passed the "preset amount of expected time" 2 years, and it still has an positive live expectancy. So it's more sophisticated. And it also adds the temps and health into the mix.

 

Anyways, screenshot for the temps of this drive is at the bottom. And to make a sidenote: those max temps of 41 degrees must have been from a period where I had stacked too many HDD's without active cooling several years ago. Fixed it.

 

If you PM me next year, I'm 99% sure I've added another 365 and still going strong.

 

*PS: installed this program today, and take the numbers for what they are.

Is cooling really that important?

I've been running a drive from 2008 without any problems, or care about temps. 

[Guest]

Temp changes are killer for HDD's. Metals (bearings) expanding/contracting... Lots of extra wear and tear. It's best to keep them at a constant (lower) temperature.

[Guest]

^ @IKnight

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Dutch-stoner said:

Temp changes are killer for HDD's. Metals (bearings) expanding/contracting... Lots of extra wear and tear. It's best to keep them at a constant (lower) temperature.

Really? I had no clue about that. I really only use my SSD though, since only my games and download folder is on my HDDs. 

[ProjectBox153]

14 hours ago, Jack Dvorak said:

Thanks to the new techquicky video I possibly realize why my hard drive failed. It is a combination of these three things...

 

1. Holding the power button forcing a shutdown to shut it off for two years every day...

2. Powering it off during updates

3. Perhaps the biggest, dropping it about 3 feet.

Powering it off during an update wouldn't hurt the drive, just corrupt data and mess up the OS, and powering it off unexpectedly would mostly cause issues if it was always writing when you shut it off. 

[flibberdipper]

14 hours ago, Dutch-stoner said:

My disk has passed the "preset amount of expected time" 2 years, and it still has an positive live expectancy. So it's more sophisticated. And it also adds the temps and health into the mix.

 

Anyways, screenshot for the temps of this drive is at the bottom. And to make a sidenote: those max temps of 41 degrees must have been from a period where I had stacked too many HDD's without active cooling several years ago. Fixed it.

 

If you PM me next year, I'm 99% sure I've added another 365 and still going strong.

 

*PS: installed this program today, and take the numbers for what they are.

 

That's actually kinda neat how it's able to get the max temp throughout the entire lifetime of the drive. I really wish I could get better cooling for the drive in my Plex server, because the damn thing idles at just over 40C most of the time.

 

11 hours ago, IKnight said:

Is cooling really that important?

I've been running a drive from 2008 without any problems, or care about temps. 

It sure is. I used to have an old drive (can't remember who the hell made it) and if it started creeping above 40C the performance would just drop dead.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

That's actually kinda neat how it's able to get the max temp throughout the entire lifetime of the drive. I really wish I could get better cooling for the drive in my Plex server, because the damn thing idles at just over 40C most of the time.

 

It sure is. I used to have an old drive (can't remember who the hell made it) and if it started creeping above 40C the performance would just drop dead.

My ones all idle at 30*c (SSD and 2 HDDs). I have no active cooling or anything directly on them, but they are positioned right behind fans and I have no side panel so I guess it could be worse.  

[flibberdipper]

2 minutes ago, IKnight said:

My ones all idle at 30*c (SSD and 2 HDDs). I have no active cooling or anything directly on them, but they are positioned right behind fans and I have no side panel so I guess it could be worse.  

Somehow the 2.5" drive stuffed behind my sidepanel stays below 30 (33 or so if you really hammer it). Not complaining, but it sure is weird.