Ryzen 1700x Overclocking

[HazardousPotato]

Hey,

 

This is my first time trying to overclock anything so any input would be appreciated

 

Basically I'm overclocking my Ryzen 7 1700x, and I've gotten it seemingly stable at 3.9ghz. I only say seemingly because I have yet to run a test on it for a long time; I've basically done many Cinebench runs and I ran Aida64 for a little less than an hour. I was thinking of downloading OCCT and doing a longer test, unless if you guys have a better idea or a different program recommendation.

 

When I run Cinebench the voltage goes up to 1.395 and switches to 1.38-something at times. Running Aida64 the voltage is a little lower; staying mainly at 1.373 and sometimes hitting 1.38. 

 

I tried setting my CPU to 3.925ghz and it crashed right away when I ran Cinebench. 

 

This has probably been asked on here many times but I guess my main question is should I even bother trying to get a faster clockspeed if I have to go to 1.4+ volts? I've seen a few different answers regarding the max safe voltage on a Ryzen lol.

 

Thanks!

[Ryujin2003]

No, your volts are fluctuating, so I'd say you probably need lost love calibration to stop dips and maintain consistent voltage. You can go to 1.4, but I found LLC on my board helped out a lot.

[johndms]

12 minutes ago, HazardousPotato said:

When I run Cinebench the voltage goes up to 1.395 and switches to 1.38-something at times. Running Aida64 the voltage is a little lower; staying mainly at 1.373 and sometimes hitting 1.38. 

What voltage do you have set in your bios? I assume you're doing this in the bios, right? What board?

[HazardousPotato]

8 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

No, your volts are fluctuating, so I'd say you probably need lost love calibration to stop dips and maintain consistent voltage. You can go to 1.4, but I found LLC on my board helped out a lot.

I'll try playing around with LLC a little more, at the moment I have it set to lvl 3

 

2 minutes ago, johndms said:

What voltage do you have set in your bios? I assume you're doing this in the bios, right? What board?

Yeah I'm doing this from the bios.

Its set to 1.318 (1.35 with a negative offset of 0.03125)

Asus Prime x370 Pro

 

Its weird because out of the box without changing any settings the voltage was going up to like 1.45-1.47 according to the bios. I knew this was high so thats why I have it set to a negative offset lol.

 

[johndms]

14 minutes ago, HazardousPotato said:

I'll try playing around with LLC a little more, at the moment I have it set to lvl 3

 

Yeah I'm doing this from the bios.

Its set to 1.318 (1.35 with a negative offset of 0.03125)

Asus Prime x370 Pro

 

Its weird because out of the box without changing any settings the voltage was going up to like 1.45-1.47 according to the bios. I knew this was high so thats why I have it set to a negative offset lol.

 

I would say in order to hit 3.9GHz without LLC, one would need around 1.38 to 1.40v. With LLC, you may be able to shave off a bit of the vcore. I'm not sure what LLC options you're given to choose from, but it's wise to avoid the top two, the most extreme LLC. Regardless of how good the board is, pushing extreme LLC can be dangerous.

 

My recommendation would be to choose one of the lower LLC options. LLC3 is fine on a scale of 1-5 or 1-8.  But if 3 is the max, lower it. Test the stability with Aida64's system stability test, selecting the first three boxes (CPU / FPU / Cache) and let that run for at least an hour or two. If it passes, increase the negative offset a bit more and test again. When Aida64 fails, you can either nudge LLC one level higher (avoid the extremes), or return to the previous offset.

 

It's safe to run Aida64 for 6+ hours, I do. I've heard of people testing CPU stability for 24-48 hours, which is a bit much, but still not harmful providing temperatures and voltage aren't dangerous. As long as you're not exceeding 1.4v or 80c, you're fine. While Cinebench is nice, it's not really a stress test and won't allow the components to heat up and provide accurate temperatures. Also, make sure you're monitoring the CPU Package Temperature (aka CPU Diode, or CPU Tdie).

 

I'd also recommend updating to the most recent bios release, if you haven't already. They tend to improve system stability and memory compatibility. Less headaches.

[johndms]

Also, when overclocking, it may be necessary to make sure Core Performance Boost is disabled. It'll be somewhere in the Advanced settings. Core Performance Boost is AMD's XFR technology which will auto-overclock one core (+100MHz I believe for a 1700x) higher than your chosen frequency provided temperatures are low enough. This will also increase the voltage, so it's something to take into consideration. XFR should only happen on single-threaded tasks where the other 15 threads are idle, so it may not happen often.

[HazardousPotato]

12 minutes ago, johndms said:

I would say in order to hit 3.9GHz without LLC, one would need around 1.38 to 1.40v. With LLC, you may be able to shave off a bit of the vcore. I'm not sure what LLC options you're given to choose from, but it's wise to avoid the top two, the most extreme LLC. Regardless of how good the board is, pushing extreme LLC can be dangerous.

 

My recommendation would be to choose one of the lower LLC options. LLC3 is fine on a scale of 1-5 or 1-8.  But if 3 is the max, lower it. Test the stability with Aida64's system stability test, selecting the first three boxes (CPU / FPU / Cache) and let that run for at least an hour or two. If it passes, increase the negative offset a bit more and test again. When Aida64 fails, you can either nudge LLC one level higher (avoid the extremes), or return to the previous offset.

 

It's safe to run Aida64 for 6+ hours, I do. I've heard of people testing CPU stability for 24-48 hours, which is a bit much, but still not harmful providing temperatures and voltage aren't dangerous. As long as you're not exceeding 1.4v or 80c, you're fine. While Cinebench is nice, it's not really a stress test and won't allow the components to heat up and provide accurate temperatures. Also, make sure you're monitoring the CPU Package Temperature (aka CPU Diode, or CPU Tdie).

 

I'd also recommend updating to the most recent bios release, if you haven't already. They tend to improve system stability and memory compatibility. Less headaches.

I'm given a choice of LLC 1-5, might lvl 2 be a better choice than 3?

 

And wow I really appreciate the detailed answers man; really helps a lot, thank you! I'll try testing like that for sure.

 

I was sort of just using Cinebench as a preliminary test; if it failed then I didn't even try Aida64. Should I stop doing that and just use Aida64?

 

I've been using Ryzen Master just to monitor the temperature. What can I use to monitor the package temp?

 

15 minutes ago, johndms said:

Also, when overclocking, it may be necessary to make sure Core Performance Boost is disabled. It'll be somewhere in the Advanced settings. Core Performance Boost is AMD's XFR technology which will auto-overclock (+100MHz I believe for a 1700x) higher than your chosen frequency provided temperatures are low enough. This will also increase the voltage, so it's something to take into consideration. XFR should only happen on single-threaded tasks where the other 15 threads are idle, so it may not happen often.

Okay I'll definitely look for that. 

 

 

Dude thank you so much, you're the best.

[johndms]

13 minutes ago, HazardousPotato said:

I'm given a choice of LLC 1-5, might lvl 2 be a better choice than 3?

Nah, 3 should be fine. I'd avoid 5, though. 4 would be up to you. Buildzoid video about Extreme LLC

 

13 minutes ago, HazardousPotato said:

I was sort of just using Cinebench as a preliminary test; if it failed then I didn't even try Aida64. Should I stop doing that and just use Aida64?

Cinebench is fine as a quick test, but Aida64 can be just as quick while providing more information. You're right though, if Cinebench fails, there's probably no reason to try Aida64.

 

13 minutes ago, HazardousPotato said:

I've been using Ryzen Master just to monitor the temperature. What can I use to monitor the package temp?

Ryzen Master reports the correct temperature, but it's hard to judge a correct idle temperature as Ryzen Master likes to use 10-15% CPU (at least on my system) while it's just sitting there. I like HWMonitor for displaying temperatures while testing overclocks. Aida64 can also display "CPU Diode" temperature, but may need to be enabled in the Preferences. Some may not have that Diode option.. might be board specific. On my board, Aida64 shows "CPU" temperature by default which isn't the correct one.

13 minutes ago, HazardousPotato said:

Dude thank you so much, you're the best.

No problem. I'm happy to help.

[Santo22]

Running a very similar set up to you, I just have the C6H board. I got a stable overclock today of 3.9 at 1.375 and LLC of Level 2 both on cpu and soc. I'd say you're right about there and just tweaking it a hair more should get you stable. Sounds like you are on the right path and some good advise already given here.

 

ps. i forgot to mention i set soc to 1.1v as well as increasing the level 2 

 

 

[HazardousPotato]

14 minutes ago, johndms said:

Nah, 3 should be fine. I'd avoid 5, though. 4 would be up to you. Buildzoid video about Extreme LLC

 

Cinebench is fine as a quick test, but Aida64 can be just as quick while providing more information. You're right though, if Cinebench fails, there's probably no reason to try Aida64.

 

Ryzen Master reports the correct temperature, but it's hard to judge a correct idle temperature as Ryzen Master likes to use 10-15% CPU (at least on my system) while it's just sitting there. I like HWMonitor for displaying temperatures while testing overclocks. Aida64 can also display "CPU Diode" temperature, but may need to be enabled in the Preferences. Some may not have that Diode option.. might be board specific. On my board, Aida64 shows "CPU" temperature by default which isn't the correct one.

 

No problem. I'm happy to help.

Awesome, thanks again man