Old vs New Gen

[skeeler88]

Im building my first PC soon and when it comes to processors, I honestly have no clue. I have done my research and visited a local micro center for help. I would say im leaning more towards Intel due to the fact the I haven't heard of AMD till recently (console player previously).  With my first build, does it benefit me going with an i7 7700k or the new i7 8600k/i5 8600k? Also, i have never overclocked and don't know how to but im sure I can learn or have people help me. I plan to use my PC for games like Overwatch, Rocket league, H1Z1, PUBG, Star Wars, BF1 and maybe some streaming. Hopefully someone can narrow things down or give me some more insight! thanks in advance.  

[Avve1000]

what have you gotten planned out so far? 

Budget? 

 

[AresKrieger]

You'd be better off going with a new i5 over an old i7 as the extra core count and higher clock speed outweigh hyperthreading, essentially the 2 extra cores provides 50% more performance overall while hyper threading only gives ~30%, as for the new i7 it both has the extra cores and hyperthreading though the hyperthreading likely wont help it in games it would help while streaming.

[Yoola]

11 minutes ago, skeeler88 said:

 I plan to use my PC for games like Overwatch, Rocket league, H1Z1, PUBG, Star Wars, BF1 and maybe some streaming. Hopefully someone can narrow things down or give me some more insight! thanks in advance.  

These are more of a 'competitive' games, so you'd be benefiting from higher freqency and IPC on the CPU. Perhaps i7 7700k and Z270 would do you fine and when you get comfy with PC and hardware feel free to delid it (with a tool) and OC the hell out of it.

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, skeeler88 said:

Im building my first PC soon and when it comes to processors, I honestly have no clue. I have done my research and visited a local micro center for help. I would say im leaning more towards Intel due to the fact the I haven't heard of AMD till recently (console player previously).  With my first build, does it benefit me going with an i7 7700k or the new i7 8600k/i5 8600k? Also, i have never overclocked and don't know how to but im sure I can learn or have people help me. I plan to use my PC for games like Overwatch, Rocket league, H1Z1, PUBG, Star Wars, BF1 and maybe some streaming. Hopefully someone can narrow things down or give me some more insight! thanks in advance.  

AMD designs powered many consoles, so although you havent heard of them, you used their products already.

 

i7-8700k is the best CPU for high refresh rate gaming compared to all other chips. However, it is expensive, so get the cheaper i5-8600k instead if you dont have deep pockets.

7700k is also competitive with high clock speed, just like 8th gen. However, with 4 cores, it cant game and stream well at the same time. Also due to motherboard incompatibility, 7th gen and 8th gen do not share motherboards, which means you cant upgrade further with 7700k unless you buy a new mobo.

Ryzen 5 1600 offers 70-80% the performance of the 8700k at 50% the price. Only use Ryzen if you dont have money for a good graphics card. In this case, GTX 1080 is preferred (as games get more demanding, a GTX 1080 can last around 4 years in 1080p 60Hz.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, skeeler88 said:

I haven't heard of AMD till recently (console player previously)

I just thought I should be the one to point out that all current consoles (Besides the Switch) are powered by AMD's SOC . You will find the single core performance per clock to be the same for the past couple of generations, so what your gaining is more cores for a better multi-threaded experience (Not all games take advantage of more cores but the 8th gen is still a better idea). One thing to note is that you will be paying more of a premium to just have an overclockable mobo and cpu (I say this because all current AMD Ryzen chips are unlocked so the ability to OC is depended on just the mobo). If you are strictly gaming then you will find the intel chips to be a bit faster but that shouldn't matter when you consider a 10-20 frame advantage at refresh rates higher than your monitor. What GPU do you plan to get and might I suggest you consider the possibility of an AMD R5 1600 (Cheaper mobo to OC with, and just so you have more options)?

[skeeler88]

4 minutes ago, Avve1000 said:

what have you gotten planned out so far? 

Budget? 

 

well the build I have now is for a i7 7700k and a z270 mobo. budget is around $1300-1500

[skeeler88]

Just now, skeeler88 said:

well the build I have now is for a i7 7700k and a z270 mobo. budget is around $1300-1500

by build I have now I mean the one that is on pcpartsicker lol. no actualy rig in my room 

[AresKrieger]

6 minutes ago, Yoola said:

hese are more of a 'competitive' games, so you'd be benefiting from higher freqency and IPC on the CPU. Perhaps i7 7700k and Z270 would do you fine and when you get comfy with PC and hardware feel free to delid it (with a tool) and OC the hell out of it.

But the Coffee lake cpu's overclock better than the 7700k so an 8600k would in almost all scenarios beat out a 7700k outright

 

5 minutes ago, skeeler88 said:

well the build I have now is for a i7 7700k and a z270 mobo. budget is around $1300-1500

You could fit the 8700k in that budget then, it would be tighter as you'd need a good motherboard and cooler to account for the heat and power requirements but it is very doable even with a top of the line gpu. But the 8600k when it comes out would also likey suffice we don't know for sure as it isn't out yet but based on the other number available it would also work.

[skeeler88]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

AMD designs powered many consoles, so although you havent heard of them, you used their products already.

 

i7-8700k is the best CPU for high refresh rate gaming compared to all other chips. However, it is expensive, so get the cheaper i5-8600k instead if you dont have deep pockets.

7700k is also competitive with high clock speed, just like 8th gen. However, with 4 cores, it cant game and stream well at the same time. Also due to motherboard incompatibility, 7th gen and 8th gen do not share motherboards, which means you cant upgrade further with 7700k unless you buy a new mobo.

Ryzen 5 1600 offers 70-80% the performance of the 8700k at 50% the price. Only use Ryzen if you dont have money for a good graphics card. In this case, GTX 1080 is preferred (as games get more demanding, a GTX 1080 can last around 4 years in 1080p 60Hz.

so if I were to get the new i5 8600k and a new z370 mobo, would be better than the ryzen 5 1600 ? 

[AresKrieger]

Just now, skeeler88 said:

so if I were to get the new i5 8600k and a new z370 mobo, would be better than the ryzen 5 1600 ? 

For gaming yes, (yes for ie what you want) for things like video editing no not likely

[Yoola]

3 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

But the Coffee lake cpu's overclock better than the 7700k so an 8600k would in almost all scenarios beat out a 7700k outright

For the additional 200MHz and no IPC improvement I don't think the price difference is worth it

[skeeler88]

9 minutes ago, tjcater said:

I just thought I should be the one to point out that all current consoles (Besides the Switch) are powered by AMD's SOC . You will find the single core performance per clock to be the same for the past couple of generations, so what your gaining is more cores for a better multi-threaded experience (Not all games take advantage of more cores but the 8th gen is still a better idea). One thing to note is that you will be paying more of a premium to just have an overclockable mobo and cpu (I say this because all current AMD Ryzen chips are unlocked so the ability to OC is depended on just the mobo). If you are strictly gaming then you will find the intel chips to be a bit faster but that shouldn't matter when you consider a 10-20 frame advantage at refresh rates higher than your monitor. What GPU do you plan to get and might I suggest you consider the possibility of an AMD R5 1600 (Cheaper mobo to OC with, and just so you have more options)?

ive looked at a gtx 1060 and a gtx 1080. Depends on the budget and what processor I get 

[skeeler88]

4 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

For gaming yes, (yes for ie what you want) for things like video editing no not likely

Ill be gaming majority and possibly stream from time to time if I really plan on trying that out 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, skeeler88 said:

so if I were to get the new i5 8600k and a new z370 mobo, would be better than the ryzen 5 1600 ? 

Depends on the graphics card paired. If they both match a 1080 then the i5. If Ryzen can use a 1080ti then Ryzen is better.

 

4 minutes ago, Yoola said:

For the additional 200MHz and no IPC improvement I don't think the price difference is worth it

There are 2 extra cores in 8700k (and 8600k as well). Also 8700k has proved to go as high as 5.2GHz. Not limited by voltage or silicon lottery, but 100C temperature.

[Avve1000]

Seems good 2 me, how about this? 

[Yoola]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

There are 2 extra cores in 8700k (and 8600k as well). Also 8700k has proved to go as high as 5.2GHz. Not limited by voltage or silicon lottery, but 100C temperature.

Yeah but that's 400$ CPU and MoBos are much more expensive than Z270/Z170. That price difference would be better to invest in the GPU.

[Jurrunio]

Just now, Avve1000 said:

Seems good 2 me, how about this? 

I'm fully against 7700k. It's beaten by R5 1600 with extra 2 cores before, and 8700k with extra 2 cores and similar, if not more overclocking headroom.

[skeeler88]

2 minutes ago, Avve1000 said:

Seems good 2 me, how about this? 

how about what??

[Jurrunio]

Just now, Yoola said:

Yeah but that's 400$ CPU and MoBos are much more expensive than Z270/Z170. That price difference would be better to invest in the GPU.

Wait for some time (I think a month should do, though there are news saying Q1 2018) and prices will drop. It's normal to pay more for more performance.

[Avve1000]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

I'm fully against 7700k. It's beaten by R5 1600 with extra 2 cores before, and 8700k with extra 2 cores and similar, if not more overclocking headroom.

Sources? 

[Jurrunio]

Just now, skeeler88 said:

how about what??

there's a link there.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Avve1000 said:

Sources? 

8700k VS other CPUs

 

As for 7700k against Ryzen 5 1600, search for posts in LTT yourself. Tonnes of them out there.

[skeeler88]

so overall im seeing to get something with more cores if i plan to stream, possibly meaning the i5 8600k and pair it with a z370 mobo and a gtx 1080? 

[Avve1000]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

8700k VS other CPUs

 

As for 7700k against Ryzen 5 1600, search for posts in LTT yourself. Tonnes of them out there.

Yes in scores that may be the case, but look are fps in game. Just Linus own review shows that 7700k has been the master of gaming (up until 8700k).