R7 1700 vs i7 8700K

[Gotlaik]

So Intel finally launched the 8th gen processors and now I need some help with making a decision...

 

I'm about to upgrade my PC from i5 4460, 8gb ram and msi z97s mobo to 32 gigs of ram, an asus mobo (depending on cpu of course) and either an i7 8700K or an R7 1700.

I mostly do 3D modeling (in 3ds max) and a bit of gaming and I will overclock either one anyway (and I've heard that the 1700 is a good overclocker).

 

My question for you: which one of these processors will be the best choice for me?

Also consider the prices of my local hardware shop (where I will buy it eventually):

- i7 8700K : €399,-

- R7 1700 : €314,-

The i7 is a lot more expensive than I thought it would be compared to the 1700, so even if the i7 is better, is it worth the extra €85?

 

Thanks in advance!

[This kid builds pc]

5 minutes ago, Gotlaik said:

So Intel finally launched the 8th gen processors and now I need some help with making a decision...

 

I'm about to upgrade my PC from i5 4460, 8gb ram and msi z97s mobo to 32 gigs of ram, an asus mobo (depending on cpu of course) and either an i7 8700K or an R7 1700.

I mostly do 3D modeling (in 3ds max) and a bit of gaming and I will overclock either one anyway (and I've heard that the 1700 is a good overclocker).

 

My question for you: which one of these processors will be the best choice for me?

Also consider the prices of my local hardware shop (where I will buy it eventually):

- i7 8700K : €399,-

- R7 1700 : €314,-

The i7 is a lot more expensive than I thought it would be compared to the 1700, so even if the i7 is better, is it worth the extra €85?

 

Thanks in advance!

Have you seen LTTs recent vid? Also, is the extra 85 euro that important to you?

[Gotlaik]

2 minutes ago, This kid builds pc said:

Have you seen LTTs recent vid? Also, is the extra 85 euro that important to you?

Yes I've seen the video, and yes, the extra 85 euro is important if it's not worth it.

 

I have seen that the i7 is better, but will it be that much better in 3D modeling?

[This kid builds pc]

1 minute ago, Gotlaik said:

Yes I've seen the video, and yes, the extra 85 euro is important if it's not worth it.

 

I have seen that the i7 is better, but will it be that much better in 3D modeling?

Well since I can only base my info off the vid the 1700 is usually 2 minutes slower than the 8700k when it takes 8-10 min to render. 

[Haeking]

15 minutes ago, Gotlaik said:

So Intel finally launched the 8th gen processors and now I need some help with making a decision...

 

I'm about to upgrade my PC from i5 4460, 8gb ram and msi z97s mobo to 32 gigs of ram, an asus mobo (depending on cpu of course) and either an i7 8700K or an R7 1700.

I mostly do 3D modeling (in 3ds max) and a bit of gaming and I will overclock either one anyway (and I've heard that the 1700 is a good overclocker).

 

My question for you: which one of these processors will be the best choice for me?

Also consider the prices of my local hardware shop (where I will buy it eventually):

- i7 8700K : €399,-

- R7 1700 : €314,-

The i7 is a lot more expensive than I thought it would be compared to the 1700, so even if the i7 is better, is it worth the extra €85?

 

Thanks in advance!

I IMO would say wait for samples there word from videos can only go so far 

[Armakar]

8700k. It can match or come close to the 1700 in content creation, but my god does it absolutely trash the 1700 in games...

[Gotlaik]

Just now, Armakar said:

8700k. It can match or come close to the 1700 in content creation, but my god does it absolutely trash the 1700 in games...

Well that's the thing, I don't game that much. It's mostly for 3d modeling...

[Sauron]

6 minutes ago, This kid builds pc said:

Have you seen LTTs recent vid? Also, is the extra 85 euro that important to you?

It's almost a fourth of the price, it's not like he's in the market for 1000€ cpus here...

2 minutes ago, Gotlaik said:

Yes I've seen the video, and yes, the extra 85 euro is important if it's not worth it.

 

I have seen that the i7 is better, but will it be that much better in 3D modeling?

In the blender tests the i7 doesn't pull ahead by a full 25%, but the difference is noticeable. If the prices stay as they seem to be now (which is not guaranteed given it's not available quite yet) the i7 is probably worth a premium if you make a living off of it, however for hobbyist use the ryzen will be just fine and significantly cheaper. As others pointed out, I'd wait a little bit for other reviews to come out and hopefully for some tests with the exact programs you use to get a better idea of what difference you'd see.

[Armakar]

1 minute ago, Gotlaik said:

Well that's the thing, I don't game that much. It's mostly for 3d modeling...

I would say for ONLY 3d modelling and absolutely nothing else, 1700. I think if your doing even slight gaming the 8700k is lightyears ahead, I watched hardware unbox'd videos and the 8700k was pulling ahead 30% of the 7700k in some games, 50+fps in some games over the 1700

[Sauron]

3 minutes ago, Armakar said:

8700k. It can match or come close to the 1700 in content creation, but my god does it absolutely trash the 1700 in games...

If you call a 25% lead at 1080p "trashing"... it's not like there's no difference, but in the vast majority of scenarios you won't notice. The only situation in which it makes a big difference is with a high refresh rate 1080p monitor.

[Gotlaik]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

If you call a 25% lead at 1080p "trashing"... it's not like there's no difference, but in the vast majority of scenarios you won't notice. The only situation in which it makes a big difference is with a high refresh rate 1080p monitor.

A little more about the gaming part: I've got a GTX960 and play mostly open world games (GTA/The Witcher/AC/NFS/...) and a 60fps 2560x1080p monitor...

[Sauron]

11 minutes ago, Gotlaik said:

A little more about the gaming part: I've got a GTX960 and play mostly open world games (GTA/The Witcher/AC/NFS/...) and a 60fps 2560x1080p monitor...

Then the graphics card will be the bottleneck way before the CPU. I would say in your case both cpus will give you about the same performance (for games).

[Gotlaik]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Then the graphics card will be the bottleneck way before the CPU. I would say in your case both cpus will give you about the same performance (for games).

Ok so for games I would go for the 1700 for the lower price, but what would you advose for the 3d modeling? It's just a hobby, but it may be that I will need some other CAD programs (in the future) for professional use...

[Armakar]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

If you call a 25% lead at 1080p "trashing"... it's not like there's no difference, but in the vast majority of scenarios you won't notice. The only situation in which it makes a big difference is with a high refresh rate 1080p monitor.

In some games it's getting 30% more FPS than the 7700k, which was already comfortably beating the 1700 in games.. the 8700k is crazy good

[Sauron]

47 minutes ago, Gotlaik said:

Ok so for games I would go for the 1700 for the lower price, but what would you advose for the 3d modeling? It's just a hobby, but it may be that I will need some other CAD programs (in the future) for professional use...

Well, it's up to you, as I said going for the i7 will give you a performance benefit, but I doubt you'd find a 1700 to be slow. For CAD I have no reference since I haven't seen any tests on the matter, but I'd expect the difference to be similar.

[Jon Jon]

56 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Well, it's up to you, as I said going for the i7 will give you a performance benefit, but I doubt you'd find a 1700 to be slow. For CAD I have no reference since I haven't seen any tests on the matter, but I'd expect the difference to be similar.

Just to chime in, as long as you can hit the native refresh on your monitor, you are good.

 

The argument for an i7 because it's "way better in gaming" is really only valid if you have a 144hz+ monitor, since AMD really doesn't have the IPC to help hit those FPS.

 

With that said, a 1700 will rock CAD pretty awesomely.

 

People love to push the latest and greatest hardware with some software, but unless you are doing overly complex drawings, I can't see the difference being that noticeable.

 

From a productivity perspective, it's really going to come down to how long they take to process specific workloads, which I would expect a 3.8-4.0ghz Ryzen 7 to be similar to a 5ghz i7 8700K, if not a little slower.

[TheNaitsyrk]

11 minutes ago, Jon Jon said:

Just to chime in, as long as you can hit the native refresh on your monitor, you are good.

 

The argument for an i7 because it's "way better in gaming" is really only valid if you have a 144hz+ monitor, since AMD really doesn't have the IPC to help hit those FPS.

 

[Jon Jon]

3 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

 

I am not entirely sure what you are trying to tell me here lol.

 

I think it's that that logic has been turned upside down!

Though it looks like the 8700K has higher minimums!

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 minute ago, Jon Jon said:

I am not entirely sure what you are trying to tell me here lol.

 

I think it's that that logic has been turned upside down!

Though it looks like the 8700K has higher minimums!

Morale of the story is basically this: if you're gaming at 1440p, it doesn't really matter which one you choose.

4K = Definitely doesn't matter.

At 1080p in CS:GO or Overwatch it's definitely getting enough FPS (Esports titles)

 

So it's just literally about bragging rights about FPS 99% of people can't even see.

[Jon Jon]

1 minute ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Morale of the story is basically this: if you're gaming at 1440p, it doesn't really matter which one you choose.

4K = Definitely doesn't matter.

At 1080p in CS:GO or Overwatch it's definitely getting enough FPS (Esports titles)

In that case, the no brainer is, go Ryzen and use the $100+ you are saving on the platform to throw at the graphics card!

[TheNaitsyrk]

2 minutes ago, Jon Jon said:

In that case, the no brainer is, go Ryzen and use the $100+ you are saving on the platform to throw at the graphics card!

Essentially yes. 8700K is not disappointing, overclocking it obviously is 'cause it's getting 92C at 5.0Ghz on H115i CPU watercooler, but 8700K is not that exciting... Yet. The fact that AM4 has 4 years of life left is exciting. New Zen CPUs are in development. No need to replace the motherboard, only the CPU.

 

Plus selling the CPU can put some money towards new CPU which will not be as expensive as Intel one anyway!

[Jon Jon]

2 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Essentially yes. 8700K is not disappointing, overclocking it obviously is 'cause it's getting 92C at 5.0Ghz on H115i CPU watercooler, but 8700K is not that exciting... Yet. The fact that AM4 has 4 years of life left is exciting. New Zen CPUs are in development. No need to replace the motherboard, only the CPU.

 

Plus selling the CPU can put some money towards new CPU which will not be as expensive as Intel one anyway!

That temperature is being overlooked a bit. That is way too hot, since in my stress tests with Prime95, I sit in the mid 60Cs, with a max ever of 71C which prompted my Noctua fans to go full blast.

 

In gaming + streaming, I sit in the mid 50Cs.

 

When I run Handbrake workloads, it sits around there and creeps to the low 60Cs.

 

Sitting on Linus Tech Tips and listening to music, low 40Cs.

 

This is all with a SILENT fan profile!

[TheNaitsyrk]

Just now, Jon Jon said:

That temperature is being overlooked a bit. That is way too hot, since in my stress tests with Prime95, I sit in the mid 60Cs, with a max ever of 71C which prompted my Noctua fans to go full blast.

 

In gaming + streaming, I sit in the mid 50Cs.

 

When I run Handbrake workloads, it sits around there and creeps to the low 60Cs.

 

Sitting on Linus Tech Tips and listening to music, low 40Cs.

 

This is all with a SILENT fan profile!

You get my point then. I Pstate overclocked so at idle I'm at between 28 and 35C. I think it eats around 25W now (according to HWMonitor). It just clocks down to 2.2Ghz and it's all good!