Asus Strix 1070 OC VS Zotac AMP! Edition 1080 $50 DIFFERENCE

[Eden_Frawley]

Hi Guys

 

I am planning a Ryzen RGB 1600X ($7USD/$10AUD difference from 1600) build for march next year and i was wondering what graphics card i should get. The build is going to be in the Cooler Master H500P. I am in Australia and i want this PC to last as long a possible before i need to upgrade.

 

This is the GTX 1070 part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RfQCHN

This is the GTX 1080 part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/svWYkT

 

Please tell me which one you recommend. OR should i get the Asus strix 1080 OC?

 

Is the 1600X worth it for the extra $7USD/$10AUD?

 

Thank you and have a great day/night

[AvocadosGuac]

Get the 1080.

 

Drop that stupid expensive ram, and get a hdd...

[Eden_Frawley]

1 minute ago, Jrock said:

Get the 1080.

 

Drop that stupid expensive ram, and get a hdd...

1. I forgot to mention but i have a 2tb hard drive already. 2. that ram cant go. i fell in love with that ram as soon as i saw it. i am going for an rgb build and that ram is only $15USD/$20AUD more than 3000mhz ram

[Vellinious]

27 minutes ago, Eden_Frawley said:

1. I forgot to mention but i have a 2tb hard drive already. 2. that ram cant go. i fell in love with that ram as soon as i saw it. i am going for an rgb build and that ram is only $15USD/$20AUD more than 3000mhz ram

If you're willing to pay extra for looks, you should be willing to lay out a little more for better performance then to.  Look for the 3200 ram with 14 timings.  It'll make Ryzen much happier.

IMO, if you're wanting to overclock, I feel the 1600X is worth the extra.  It seems like the majority of them will hit that 4ghz mark, where the majority of those with the 1600 are down around 3.8 or 3.9.  Not a huge difference, but notable.

Also, if you plan on overclocking, I'd highly suggest the X370 chipset.  

[Eden_Frawley]

1 hour ago, Vellinious said:

If you're willing to pay extra for looks, you should be willing to lay out a little more for better performance then to.  Look for the 3200 ram with 14 timings.  It'll make Ryzen much happier.

IMO, if you're wanting to overclock, I feel the 1600X is worth the extra.  It seems like the majority of them will hit that 4ghz mark, where the majority of those with the 1600 are down around 3.8 or 3.9.  Not a huge difference, but notable.

Also, if you plan on overclocking, I'd highly suggest the X370 chipset.  

no overclocking until it starts to slow down. Would the 3000MHz 14 timing ram be good because the 3200MHz 14 ram is a bit expensive?

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Vellinious said:

If you're willing to pay extra for looks, you should be willing to lay out a little more for better performance then to.  Look for the 3200 ram with 14 timings.  It'll make Ryzen much happier.

IMO, if you're wanting to overclock, I feel the 1600X is worth the extra.  It seems like the majority of them will hit that 4ghz mark, where the majority of those with the 1600 are down around 3.8 or 3.9.  Not a huge difference, but notable.

Also, if you plan on overclocking, I'd highly suggest the X370 chipset.  

 

7 minutes ago, Eden_Frawley said:

no overclocking until it starts to slow down. Would the 3000MHz 14 timing ram be good because the 3200MHz 14 ram is a bit expensive?

1. Difference between 3000MHz CL14 and 3200MHz CL14 is unnoticeable.

 

2. Whether Ryzen hits 4GHz mark depends on cooling. Even 1600s with liquid cooler can hit 4GHz. 1600X seems more overclockable only because it doesnt come with a stock cooler and buyers use superior ones, like the NH-D15 or some liquid cooler.

 

3. X370 and B350 chipset are the same in overclocking department. What matters is the VRM design on the motherboard itself.

 

2 hours ago, Eden_Frawley said:

Hi Guys

 

I am planning a Ryzen RGB 1600X ($7USD/$10AUD difference from 1600) build for march next year and i was wondering what graphics card i should get. The build is going to be in the Cooler Master H500P. I am in Australia and i want this PC to last as long a possible before i need to upgrade.

 

This is the GTX 1070 part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RfQCHN

This is the GTX 1080 part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/svWYkT

 

Please tell me which one you recommend. OR should i get the Asus strix 1080 OC?

 

Is the 1600X worth it for the extra $7USD/$10AUD?

 

Thank you and have a great day/night

I'd get a 1600 and omit the liquid cooler (you can add that in later)

 

NVMe SSDs are no faster than SATA SSDs as a boot drive. Not worth buying a 250GB NVMe SSD for that extra price. Only consider it if you get it up to ~500GB level.

 

That GTX 1080 is cheap because Zotac screwed up the cooler design. Both the Amp edition and Amp extreme edition for the 1080 and 1080ti got VRMs running hot because they arent cooled by the cooler. This is where the money saving on the other parts come in. Omitting the CPU cooler, replacing the 960 evo with an 850 evo, replacing the 750 G2 PSU to a 650W or 750W Corsair TXM will allow one of the cheaper GTX 1080ti in the budget.

 

Or else, you can keep the CPU cooler, replace the stuff I mentioned, and get a more expensive 1080 instead.

[Eden_Frawley]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

 

1. Difference between 3000MHz CL14 and 3200MHz CL14 is unnoticeable.

 

2. Whether Ryzen hits 4GHz mark depends on cooling. Even 1600s with liquid cooler can hit 4GHz. 1600X seems more overclockable only because it doesnt come with a stock cooler and buyers use superior ones, like the NH-D15 or some liquid cooler.

 

3. X370 and B350 chipset are the same in overclocking department. What matters is the VRM design on the motherboard itself.

 

I'd get a 1600 and omit the liquid cooler (you can add that in later)

 

NVMe SSDs are no faster than SATA SSDs as a boot drive. Not worth buying a 250GB NVMe SSD for that extra price. Only consider it if you get it up to ~500GB level.

 

That GTX 1080 is cheap because Zotac screwed up the cooler design. Both the Amp edition and Amp extreme edition for the 1080 and 1080ti got VRMs running hot because they arent cooled by the cooler. This is where the money saving on the other parts come in. Omitting the CPU cooler, replacing the 960 evo with an 850 evo, replacing the 750 G2 PSU to a 650W or 750W Corsair TXM will allow one of the cheaper GTX 1080ti in the budget.

 

Or else, you can keep the CPU cooler, replace the stuff I mentioned, and get a more expensive 1080 instead.

what i meant with the ram is about the 16 timing (i made a typo). is the 16 timing alright? I am going with the 1600 and i am getting the aio later on. I am also getting the Asus strix 1080 A8G. I have no interest in a 1080ti because i am only going 1440p. I think a 1080 is a bit overkill for my use. Im now going with the 850 evo but it is only $20AUD cheaper than the 960 evo. I am staying to the EVGA G2 750W because it is high quality and in australia, no one is selling the 650W g2. 

 

Thank you so much for your help. I was originally planning to just get the parts that i need at first then start to make it better like add an AIO and some rgb fans like the HD120's.

 

Again Thank you for your help

[Vellinious]

14 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

 

1. Difference between 3000MHz CL14 and 3200MHz CL14 is unnoticeable.

 

2. Whether Ryzen hits 4GHz mark depends on cooling. Even 1600s with liquid cooler can hit 4GHz. 1600X seems more overclockable only because it doesnt come with a stock cooler and buyers use superior ones, like the NH-D15 or some liquid cooler.

 

3. X370 and B350 chipset are the same in overclocking department. What matters is the VRM design on the motherboard itself.

 

I'd get a 1600 and omit the liquid cooler (you can add that in later)

 

NVMe SSDs are no faster than SATA SSDs as a boot drive. Not worth buying a 250GB NVMe SSD for that extra price. Only consider it if you get it up to ~500GB level.

 

That GTX 1080 is cheap because Zotac screwed up the cooler design. Both the Amp edition and Amp extreme edition for the 1080 and 1080ti got VRMs running hot because they arent cooled by the cooler. This is where the money saving on the other parts come in. Omitting the CPU cooler, replacing the 960 evo with an 850 evo, replacing the 750 G2 PSU to a 650W or 750W Corsair TXM will allow one of the cheaper GTX 1080ti in the budget.

 

Or else, you can keep the CPU cooler, replace the stuff I mentioned, and get a more expensive 1080 instead.

No....I'm in a group over on OCN that is full of Ryzen owners.  The greater majority of 1600 / 1600X owners that can hit 4ghz, are on the 370 chipset, and running the 1600X.  There are 1600s that can hit that mark, but they're fewer and farther between.  Air or watercooling....doesn't matter.  Before I put my block on, I had this 1600X running 4ghz with the 1500X stock air cooler.  If you're pushing voltage high enough that air cooling isn't sufficient to reach it, you aren't likely to reach it on water either.  Temps aren't the primary limiting factor on Ryzen.  And, again...no.  The 350 and 370 chipsets aren't equal in overclocking.  The bios options for overclocking are vastly different between the two boards.  To get a good clock, and get it dialed in well, the higher end boards are the way to go.  The cheaper boards have no LLC control, offset voltage only, and, as you said, limited capability in the VRM department.

[Vellinious]

14 hours ago, Eden_Frawley said:

what i meant with the ram is about the 16 timing (i made a typo). is the 16 timing alright? I am going with the 1600 and i am getting the aio later on. I am also getting the Asus strix 1080 A8G. I have no interest in a 1080ti because i am only going 1440p. I think a 1080 is a bit overkill for my use. Im now going with the 850 evo but it is only $20AUD cheaper than the 960 evo. I am staying to the EVGA G2 750W because it is high quality and in australia, no one is selling the 650W g2. 

 

Thank you so much for your help. I was originally planning to just get the parts that i need at first then start to make it better like add an AIO and some rgb fans like the HD120's.

 

Again Thank you for your help

I don't believe the 3000 with 16 cas is Sammy B-die...the 3200 14 is.  If ya want the best, ya gotta pay for it.

[mrchow19910319]

Go for the 1080. 

1080>1070 that's it. 

And Asus's GPU is really marked up. So I try to avoid them.