which cpu should I get?

[Boogeyman]

to start this off I would like to say this is a post to find the best am3(not AM3+) cpu for the motherboard that I have. The motherboard I have is a Alvorix-RS880-uATX (Alvorix).

I am looking for a cpu that can run a game like call of of duty black ops at all high settings at good fps. I understand am3 is kinda old but id like to try to run games from like 2010 on a pc that i have sitting around but i have done so much research and still cant find one. the max tdp on this board is 95W and im sure that means a 125w cpu would not work on the board. If anyone can help me on my search for a am3 cpu it would be much appreciated 

[Gumi Rokkaku]

Looks like you'd be looking at a Phenom II x4

[LienusLateTips]

Phenom II X4

[Boogeyman]

Just now, Gumi Rokkaku said:

Looks like you'd be looking at a Phenom II x4

I'll check some benchmarks for it

 

[Boogeyman]

3 minutes ago, JDE said:

Phenom II X4

most phenom are 125w from what i have been seeing. i need a 95w

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

14 minutes ago, Boogeyman said:

to start this off I would like to say this is a post to find the best am3(not AM3+) cpu for the motherboard that I have. The motherboard I have is a Alvorix-RS880-uATX (Alvorix).

I am looking for a cpu that can run a game like call of of duty black ops at all high settings at good fps. I understand am3 is kinda old but id like to try to run games from like 2010 on a pc that i have sitting around but i have done so much research and still cant find one. the max tdp on this board is 95W and im sure that means a 125w cpu would not work on the board. If anyone can help me on my search for a am3 cpu it would be much appreciated 

If you want a hex-core, your only choices are the:

1065T and 1045T. The 1045T is an OEM part so it might be harder to track down one. 

 

With the quad core variants of the Phenom II, be careful as there are handful of ones that are 125W rather than 95W

[it_dont_work]

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T, HP support also lists it as supported for the mobo. 

 

EDIT: wait thats the wrong part number, let me check again.

[Boogeyman]

1 minute ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

If you want a hex-core, your only choices are the:

1065T and 1045T. The 1045T is an OEM part so it might be harder to track down one. 

 

With the quad core variants of the Phenom II, be careful as there are handful of ones that are 125W rather than 95W

do you think there are any 95W hex's?

[Boogeyman]

1 minute ago, it_dont_work said:

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T, HP support also lists it as supported for the mobo. 

okay thanks i will add that to my list of research 

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

Just now, Boogeyman said:

do you think there are any 95W hex's?

The ones I've listed are 95W parts. So that includes the 1065T and 1045T.

[Boogeyman]

Just now, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

The ones I've listed are 95W parts. So that includes the 1065T and 1045T.

okay i will check those 

[Boogeyman]

2 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

The ones I've listed are 95W parts. So that includes the 1065T and 1045T.

yes blue those are great. I looked both up and I think those are my best options. Thanks much 

[it_dont_work]

3 minutes ago, Boogeyman said:

okay i will check those 

 

3 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

The ones I've listed are 95W parts. So that includes the 1065T and 1045T.

 

Nevermind the 1055t (its a 125, but its on the hp support list which is weird), BlueChinchillaEatingDorito is right, the 'best' available in 95 is the 1065T

 

[Audherbagn]

you don't need 6 cores, try this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fttWGX/amd-cpu-hdxb99wfk4dgm

it will perform better in most dx11 games, as it has a higher clock speed, and it is still a quad core

[Boogeyman]

Just now, it_dont_work said:

 

 

Nevermind the 1055t (its a 125, but its on the hp support list which is weird), BlueChinchillaEatingDorito is right, the 'best' available in 95 is the 1065T

 

yeah blue solved it lol. Thanks to all you guys for helping me out 

[Boogeyman]

Just now, Audherbagn said:

you don't need 6 cores, try this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fttWGX/amd-cpu-hdxb99wfk4dgm

it will perform better in most dx11 games, as it has a higher clock speed, and it is still a quad core

i will check it out

 

[Boogeyman]

1 minute ago, Audherbagn said:

you don't need 6 cores, try this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fttWGX/amd-cpu-hdxb99wfk4dgm

it will perform better in most dx11 games, as it has a higher clock speed, and it is still a quad core

aud the specs do look good 

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, Audherbagn said:

you don't need 6 cores, try this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fttWGX/amd-cpu-hdxb99wfk4dgm

it will perform better in most dx11 games, as it has a higher clock speed, and it is still a quad core

If he plays any games that are DX12, it's worth

[Boogeyman]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

If he plays any games that are DX12, it's worth

true. I was planning on playing older games but it will always still be worth. bad part is am3 is pretty expensive when i comess to a good cpu

[it_dont_work]

5 minutes ago, Boogeyman said:

true. I was planning on playing older games but it will always still be worth. bad part is am3 is pretty expensive when i comess to a good cpu

 

The x4 chip runs 3.3ghz locked on 4 cores - temps and voltage from will be more predictable, and sort of has a clock advantage for games (limited realistically). Also does something funky with l2 cache.

 

The x6 chip is the 'newer' of the architectures, 2.9ghz on 6 cores boosts to 3.4 on half its cores if the other half are idle (idle cores drop to about 800mhz). You've got the benefit here of lightly threaded applications being about the same performance as the 4core variant, yet with more pipelines for tasks. Given if a game is using 4 threads, the os and other background apps will benefit from having a couple more threads to use more so than clock speed; as the cpu is spreading the load slightly more evenly. DX12 and windows 10 will easily benefit from higher thread count.

 

Given my experience with the FX platform, (given this is a 4modul/8 thread cpu) turbo boost can lead to odd performance issues, stutter, sudden low fps etc. when it has been enabled. This is probably due to the clock speed jumping around, and possibly the FX platforms power saving features (not present in the same implementation on the other socket). 

 

Cost wise, the x4 chip is about $50 secondhand, vs the x6 being about $100. Both being put to bed by a cheap Intel Pentium, upgrade wise there's better places to spend your money and the hp board is limited in the bios on what you can do( you're not going to be ocing). So the question really becomes, do you have only 100-150 to spend? and is that all you've got to spend for a fair while? if the answer is yes buy the cheaper chip, maybe ebay some generic ram and upgrade that as well. If its a matter of saving for a couple months, maybe look at never gear.

 

I've an older system, and fx8c with an r9 fury and 16gb of ram. The performance is pretty good after some overclocking and optimizing, but its not the kind of performance cpu wise I'd pay for today even secondhand price wise.

[Boogeyman]

5 minutes ago, it_dont_work said:

 

The x4 chip runs 3.3ghz locked on 4 cores - temps and voltage from will be more predictable, and sort of has a clock advantage for games (limited realistically). Also does something funky with l2 cache.

 

The x6 chip is the 'newer' of the architectures, 2.9ghz on 6 cores boosts to 3.4 on half its cores if the other half are idle (idle cores drop to about 800mhz). You've got the benefit here of lightly threaded applications being about the same performance as the 4core variant, yet with more pipelines for tasks. Given if a game is using 4 threads, the os and other background apps will benefit from having a couple more threads to use more so than clock speed; as the cpu is spreading the load slightly more evenly. DX12 and windows 10 will easily benefit from higher thread count.

 

Given my experience with the FX platform, (given this is a 4modul/8 thread cpu) turbo boost can lead to odd performance issues, stutter, sudden low fps etc. when it has been enabled. This is probably due to the clock speed jumping around, and possibly the FX platforms power saving features (not present in the same implementation on the other socket). 

 

Cost wise, the x4 chip is about $50 secondhand, vs the x6 being about $100. Both being put to bed by a cheap Intel Pentium, upgrade wise there's better places to spend your money and the hp board is limited in the bios on what you can do( you're not going to be ocing). So the question really becomes, do you have only 100-150 to spend? and is that all you've got to spend for a fair while? if the answer is yes buy the cheaper chip, maybe ebay some generic ram and upgrade that as well. If its a matter of saving for a couple months, maybe look at never gear.

 

I've an older system, and fx8c with an r9 fury and 16gb of ram. The performance is pretty good after some overclocking and optimizing, but its not the kind of performance cpu wise I'd pay for today even secondhand price wise.

so in other words theres no good quad core for the motherboard and the bios doesn't support oc? and even if i get a hex i will still be looking at low fps?

[it_dont_work]

1 minute ago, Boogeyman said:

so in other words theres no good quad core for the motherboard and the bios doesn't support oc? and even if i get a hex i will still be looking at low fps?

Well what are the specs or system you're working with now? do you have a cpu etc already?

[Boogeyman]

Just now, Boogeyman said:

so in other words theres no good quad core for the motherboard and the bios doesn't support oc? and even if i get a hex i will still be looking at low fps?

so say i ran  a 2gb gpu and 6gb of ram along with a quad core cpu will i be able to run at least the first cod black ops? keeping in mind im just trying to run like ps3 games 

[Boogeyman]

Just now, it_dont_work said:

Well what are the specs or system you're working with now? do you have a cpu etc already?

i have 6gb of ddr3 and i was gonna get a 2gb gpu but the cpu i have rn is a dual core that only has 1mb cache and 2.8ghz so its a piece of trash 

[it_dont_work]

Yeah you'll be able to run black ops easily enough mediumish settings, as long as the gpu isn't too old.

 

There might just be better rounded place to spend money on a system upgrade, it just depends what you've already got for a case, psu, hdd, gpu etc. If its only the cpu you need to upgrade, hey 50bucks for the 4-core and just be done with it is a good option. If you need a cpu and new gpu, and a new cpu/mobo/ram/gpu is only a little above your current budget if you're getting a newer gpu anyway might be more options.

 

Really just sits with what do you have that can be reused, that mobo is standard atx, so at the least you can reuse, the case,psu and hdd with a 1050/ti. and then its say $200 or less for a mobo/g4560/4gb ram.

 

So how much do you want to spend? and what exactly do you already have in the tower?