Vega 56 vs 64

[tomi832]

so I've seen this video:

 

and I thought, that maybe the drivers aren't utilizing the whole cores? Like games today utilize up to 4 cores thus the difference between the 1600X and the 1800X in gaming is minor to not exist...

Because if it's correct, than It would explain a lot....

for instance, why Vega which according to AMD has better IPC than before (if not from Polaris than at least better than Fiji and Hawaii), than that's why clock to clock the Fury X wins - it has more cores that are 100% utilized...I think.

maybe it uses only up to 56 (or less) CUs thus there is no actual difference at gaming between Vega 56 and Vega 64...

if it's right, than when AMD will fix it through the drivers  - Vega 64 will compete with the 1080 Ti which is good news for everyone...

What do you think?

[hconverse02]

I honestly don't think even if amd can get software to make v64 perform as well as a 1080ti, because the v64 prices are never going to be at $500.  If v56 and v64 were $400 and $500 respectively, then they would compete with the 1070 and 1080 very well, but that is never going to be the case, so it's irrelevant.

[Evolution.]

2 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

that is never going to be the case,

why

[tomi832]

1 minute ago, hconverse02 said:

I honestly don't think even if amd can get software to make v64 perform as well as a 1080ti, because the v64 prices are never going to be at $500.  If v56 and v64 were $400 and $500 respectively, then they would compete with the 1070 and 1080 very well, but that is never going to be the case, so it's irrelevant.

 

they can of course....the Core isn't that expensive to make....Memory is the pricy part here and it will get down of course...so you'll see in the near months Vega's with the MSRP probably.

Also, not all of the gaming features are working on Vega...there are some good features that are not working right now (like DSBR and more) and only with those features (and its not even FineWine) they should raise its performance by like 15% I think.

I can be wrong, but that's what I saw and heard...

IDK if they can really compete with the 1080 Ti, but I'm pretty sure that V64 will be in the near months between the 1080 and the 1080 Ti...or at least, eventually he'll be there.

[hconverse02]

Just now, VenomZ_ said:

why

Bitcoin and 

Maybe after the said "bitcoin craze" (not from the video) the prices will drop, but by then nvidia's and amd's platforms will be refreshed

[tomi832]

56 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

Bitcoin and 

Maybe after the said "bitcoin craze" (not from the video) the prices will drop, but by then nvidia's and amd's platforms will be refreshed

 

it already began and the estimations are that at the end of this year, the craze will be gone hopefully...

[hconverse02]

Just now, tomi832 said:

 

it already began and the estimations are that at the end of this year, the craze will be gone hopefully...

I hope so because if that is the case I might just buy myself a v56 over a 1070  

[tomi832]

1 minute ago, hconverse02 said:

I hope so because if that is the case I might just buy myself a v56 over a 1070  

 

yeah, the V56 seems like a king

sometimes, some places actually sell it for 500$ (it's Radeon pack...and 500$ is its MSRP so its great), though I really hope that AMD will soon release the Vega cards without the packs and let the custom cards come out

[hconverse02]

1 minute ago, tomi832 said:

 

yeah, the V56 seems like a king

sometimes, some places actually sell it for 500$ (it's Radeon pack...and 500$ is its MSRP so its great), though I really hope that AMD will soon release the Vega cards without the packs and let the custom cards come out

Well $500 is its current, increased msrp. Reviewers were told $400 and with prices and performance like that, it would beat the 1070 in a lot of things (except power consumption :p)

[tomi832]

14 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

Well $500 is its current, increased msrp. Reviewers were told $400 and with prices and performance like that, it would beat the 1070 in a lot of things (except power consumption :p)

 

nope, its it MSRP, AMD said that themselves...its the Radeon Pack, not the card itself.

The Radeon Pack that consists the V56 costs 500$, and V56 alone will really come out only after the mining craze...

[hconverse02]

2 minutes ago, tomi832 said:

 

nope, its it MSRP, AMD said that themselves...its the Radeon Pack, not the card itself.

The Radeon Pack that consists the V56 costs 500$, and V56 alone will really come out only after the mining craze...

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-8gb-hbm2-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card/6084601.p?skuId=6084601 Where are the radeon packs? EDIT: found em

[Coaxialgamer]

AMD has historically had trouble feeding it's SIMD's , on GCN at least ( VLIW 5 too , i believe ) . It's the reason the 290x was barely faster than the 290 and the fury x was barely faster than the fury .

[tomi832]

4 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-8gb-hbm2-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card/6084601.p?skuId=6084601 Where are the radeon packs?

here's a better deal:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137228&cm_re=vega'-_-14-137-228-_-Product

 

but yeah...it seems like its without the pack

[tomi832]

4 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

AMD has historically had trouble feeding it's SIMD's , on GCN at least ( VLIW 5 too , i believe ) . It's the reason the 290x was barely faster than the 290 and the fury x was barely faster than the fury .

 

SIDM? VLIW5? sorry I didn't understand you 

[hconverse02]

Just now, tomi832 said:

here's a better deal:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137228&cm_re=vega'-_-14-137-228-_-Product

 

but yeah...it seems like its without the pack

How do the packs work? Must you buy all the other components in the pack to get the card? Seems kind of counter intuitive to those looking to upgrade, but I guess it's to protect against cryptocurrency miners.

[tomi832]

1 minute ago, hconverse02 said:

How do the packs work? Must you buy all the other components in the pack to get the card? Seems kind of counter intuitive to those looking to upgrade, but I guess it's to protect against cryptocurrency miners.

 

no.

The packs give you up to 4 different things:

always:

2 Bethesda games (Although Wolfenstein isn't available in all of the countries, and there they have will get a different game, but it's a 120$ worth games) for free.

some countries will get:

100$ less on a Ryzen 7 + X370 mobo bundle,

100$ (I think) less on a specific Samsung screen: 100 Hz, 3440X1440 (which according to AMD - its the best "screen settings" for Vega) and free sync....

so if you wanna buy a completely new rig - its really good....200$ less on your computer + 2 games to begin with...but to someone that only wanna buy a new GPU - its Meh, and for a miner - its a shitty deal (which is the purpose).

[Coaxialgamer]

4 minutes ago, tomi832 said:

 

SIDM? VLIW5? sorry I didn't understand you 

Those are two different designs that amd has used. They both are similar in that their goal is to perform operations on large amounts of data at once. 

Vliw was used in amd's pre-gcn gpus ( 2000 series to 6000 series) and SIMD is used in gcn (7000 series and up). 

 

Without getting too technical, amd has a hard time feeding their gpu with enough data to work with, resulting in performance being lost. 

[tomi832]

2 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Those are two different designs that amd has used. They both are similar in that their goal is to perform operations on large amounts of data at once. 

Vliw was used in amd's pre-gcn gpus ( 2000 series to 6000 series) and SIMD is used in gcn (7000 series and up). 

 

Without getting too technical, amd has a hard time feeding their gpu with enough data to work with, resulting in performance being lost. 

 

and is it hardware or software? is it like a component of the GPU or a specific part of the drivers?

and it is a design for what?

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, tomi832 said:

 

and is it hardware or software? is it like a component of the GPU or a specific part of the drivers?

and it is a design for what?

It's the design philosophy used when designing the gpu itself. It's not a component or software. It's just design principles. 

 

Gpu architecture. 

[tomi832]

16 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

It's the design philosophy used when designing the gpu itself. It's not a component or software. It's just design principles. 

 

Gpu architecture. 

 

ah ok, thx.

 

so they cant really fix it with Vega, but they can with Navi even though Navi will probably be also GCN based? or they cant because it is based on GCN?

[hconverse02]

2 hours ago, tomi832 said:

 

no.

The packs give you up to 4 different things:

always:

2 Bethesda games (Although Wolfenstein isn't available in all of the countries, and there they have will get a different game, but it's a 120$ worth games) for free.

some countries will get:

100$ less on a Ryzen 7 + X370 mobo bundle,

100$ (I think) less on a specific Samsung screen: 100 Hz, 3440X1440 (which according to AMD - its the best "screen settings" for Vega) and free sync....

so if you wanna buy a completely new rig - its really good....200$ less on your computer + 2 games to begin with...but to someone that only wanna buy a new GPU - its Meh, and for a miner - its a shitty deal (which is the purpose).

So I've already got a 1080p monitor + r5 1600 so would I have to find a 3rd party manufacturer that I could buy it from if I wanted it right now?

[tomi832]

6 hours ago, hconverse02 said:

So I've already got a 1080p monitor + r5 1600 so would I have to find a 3rd party manufacturer that I could buy it from if I wanted it right now?

 

you'll just won't use the discounts....

but you'll still get the games

though I cant find the packs so...

 

also, Vega 11 should arrive in the near months....I think that you should get that since you have a 1080p monitor

I personally think that they'll rock...

[hconverse02]

5 hours ago, tomi832 said:

 

you'll just won't use the discounts....

but you'll still get the games

though I cant find the packs so...

 

also, Vega 11 should arrive in the near months....I think that you should get that since you have a 1080p monitor

I personally think that they'll rock...

What's vega 11? Same concept but 11 'computing cores' or what they call them? I'd like to make a jump from 1080p up in the future, and I think v56 would be solid for that and could last me through college (for the next 6 years) but it depends on cost of vega, how volta performs and if i ever jump up in resolution.  EDIT: so the packs are to promote the other products or do you have to buy the 1800x and monitor to get v56/v64?