Second PC Build I need advice

[Darqdragon91]

OK since my posting is now having to be edited for a second time. I am trying to do a ryzen build I would like it to be bleeding edge and a powerhouse of a machine. I need advice seeing as this is my second build ever. I would like to achieve custom liquid cool, 2 graphics cards if possible, the ryzen threadripper 16 core, and a board that supports 128 gigs of ram. I also would like to know if a 1000 watt power supply would be just right for this or just overkill. please i need advice because I am still a newbie. I need a machine that can handle gaming, what I'm going to school for which is coding and software development, as well as content creation I do plan on going into game design its part of the degree I am working on for school. My current rig just isn't cutting it

[Guest Thudnik]

I'd list the specs if you want feedback, not a lot of people will click on a ton of links.

[Changis]

5 minutes ago, Darqdragon91 said:

ok I am doing a ryzen build I mainly wanna know with what I wanna use if a custom water cooling system would be better, if a 1000 watt corsair gold fully modular psu is overkill, and if I should spend the extra on the ssd setup and go full raid. below are links to what I wanna do this is my second build ever and I kinda wanna go bleeding edge from hell and yes I know the ram ammount is only because it can support it not that I need it. also I do not like windows 10 but as almost every game I play only runs on windows its needed but not wanted.

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please I would love input cause I just want a strictly performance machine

please list the parts with their descriptive names.. opening up 11 tabs isn't that efficient

i might be biased, but get a seasonic prime platinum instead.. 850 should be fine..
jonnyguru almost salivated while writing the reviews they were so good

[Darqdragon91]

ok so copy and paste specs got it, its just a direct to teh exact parts and specs but I thank you

[Trulop]

What exactly is the goal for this pc? gaming, content creation, mix of both? 

[Darqdragon91]

updated now its a specs list  please like i said input I want a pure power rig

[Darqdragon91]

@Trulop its for gaming, coding, and content creation

[Darqdragon91]

@valdyrgramr sorry im a bit of a newbie my bad is the posting better so that way your eyes and love of odin stop being irritated?

[Trulop]

lol your specs are insanely overkill for what your looking for it seems. You can get something way cheaper and itll be just as effective. I mean sure, the TR is a great chip for multithreaded workloads, but if your planning on building a pc to game on and just want it to be able to do workload stuff as well, your spending over and above for something you dont effectively need =/ Games cant use that many cores at all, and the TR chips run the same if not even a tad worse than their ryzen 7 brothers that are way cheaper. im also not sure why you need over 1700$ worth of ram 0,o but ill digress to answer a few of your original questions.

 

In terms of a custom water cooling setup, that can be very expensive and hard to do especially if you've never done it before. You'll have to research what liquid you want to use, what pumps you'll be needing, are you overclocking and putting the cpu+ gpu on the same loop? are you going to add another gpu later and run dual loops to keep it cooler? If you dont want the headache, just get the AIO, its easy out of the box installation, and they work pretty well. 

 

As for the power supply, running parts like this that can potentially suck up a lot of juice, it might be better to run near a 1000 watt PSU. There is various sites that you can plug in all the parts you want to use and it can tell you how much energy youll use up, so that might be a good way to see, and know that OCing your parts (especially the TR chip and your gpu) can pull a good ammount more power, so id say sure its probably not too bad of an idea to have some headroom. 

 

In terms of the raid setups, its always good to have redundancy for any important files, especially when youll be putting your HDD's into full use alot. Most applications and games wont use NVME speeds, but you could gain benefits from some with the higher speed rates.

 

All in all, unless your a professional developer who is using these insane specs and actually putting them to good use, i dont think i can really agree with spending this much, but thats just my opinion. Anyone elses thoughts?

[Darqdragon91]

@valdyrgramr its all good no worries just im new to pc building and I just wanna build something that can handle my needs 

[mariushm]

If you're not going to use a power hungry video card (like vega64 for example), even a quality 650w power supply would be enough.

 

Threadripper is basically two ryzen chips... has a TDP of 180w so it will draw at most maybe 200-220 watts from the power supply. Memory is around 3 watts per stick , so you have 8 memory sticks x 3 watts ... that's 25 watts. Rest of the motherboard will use maybe 30-40 watts.

A video card will use 200-250 watts ..

 

So for a single video card system with threadripper, you're looking at around 400-450w , making a 650w psu good enough.

For two video cards, yeah, 850w or higher is recommended.

Whatever you choose, make sure the power supply has two 8 pin cpu connectors because threadripper motherboards need them.  There are some power supplies (like evga b3 850w for example) that have only one cable even though wattage wise they're quite capable.

[Darqdragon91]

@Trulop what would you recommend then I am an amd Fanboy, and like it says in how I edited my post I want something that can handle being a multi purpose machine being used for gaming, and then for school for coding and game development, because I'm not just learning coding, I'm learning the modeling, rendering animation textures and everything that goes with it, and I am stubborn I don't like prebuilts and I dont like letting others build for me because both have given me a bad experience I never want to relive.

[MVPernula]

A Ryzen 7 1700 with a GTX 1080 is PLENTY for gaming, coding and software development.

Threadripper is super overkill and enthusiast grade, and seriously.. 128GB RAM? 64GB will be overkill.

 

But if you feel like you're willing to throw cash at a godlike PC I gues "Why not".

[Trulop]

It all depends on what you NEED out of the machine.  In terms of the development tasks you mentioned, it can depend on what program and what type of rendering you do to determine if you need over 100gb of ram. Usually thats like business enterprise class levels of ram though, so If your doing it in school, i would find out from your teacher what types of workloads you'll have to see how much youll actually need. In terms of the CPU, the TR is a great chip, but make sure you really need something of that calibur before you not only spend 1k on a cpu, but spend a high premium on the x399 motherboards, and ram to go with it. Ryzen 1700, a good mobo with all the bells and whistles you need on it, good storage plans, and MAYBE up to 64gb of ram. then drop down to a 650-750 watt PSU such as a corsair or EVGA fully modular, and call it a day. 

 

In the end, its sort of up to you to determine what your needs are, but just know the TR build is SEVERE overkill in most scenarios

[Darqdragon91]

@Trulop @MVPernula thank you both for the advice.. @Trulop its got to be able to handle mostly unreal engine, maya, and lightwave as well as microsoft visual studio

[Trulop]

Theres alot of people who do alot of mixed work/gaming on 8c/16t and have it perform just fine. In some cases you wont even need that much power, again depends on specifically what you do. If you want to save money, definately go for Ryzen 7 build that will get the job done just fine, but if you dont mind spending your lifes savings, the more stuff you toss into a pc, youll probably see more results at some point in your workloads, but the question is, is it actually worth the performance increase for the ammount of money spent?

 

22 minutes ago, mariushm said:

If you're not going to use a power hungry video card (like vega64 for example), even a quality 650w power supply would be enough.

 

Threadripper is basically two ryzen chips... has a TDP of 180w so it will draw at most maybe 200-220 watts from the power supply. Memory is around 3 watts per stick , so you have 8 memory sticks x 3 watts ... that's 25 watts. Rest of the motherboard will use maybe 30-40 watts.

A video card will use 200-250 watts ..

 

So for a single video card system with threadripper, you're looking at around 400-450w , making a 650w psu good enough.

For two video cards, yeah, 850w or higher is recommended.

Whatever you choose, make sure the power supply has two 8 pin cpu connectors because threadripper motherboards need them.  There are some power supplies (like evga b3 850w for example) that have only one cable even though wattage wise they're quite capable.

also, heres two links that show possible power pull from overclocked components.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-1950X-and-1920X-Review/Power-Consumption-and-Overclocking

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-gaming-x-11g,5036-4.html

 

Depending how far you push, and what your doing with it, power can go pretty quick nowadays with all the high end parts out. If your spending an arm and a leg on your parts, dont sell yourself short and buy a PSU that "might" not have enough kick. If your on a budget build then i can see trying to lower cost in some areas such as the PSU or maybe you just simply dont need it, but in his build posts case (TR is a monster), i wouldnt risk it  

[Darqdragon91]

@Trulop you rock. looked up all the specs for the ryzen 7 and built a pc for barely even 2 grand much better than almost 8 grand for what i was wanting with custom liquid cooing, plus the ryzen 7 comes with a cooler fan

[Darqdragon91]

@Trulop plus the build you kinda recommend gives me extra cash left things like a new keyboard, mouse, gaming headset, and drawing tablet

[Trulop]

the wraith cooler heatsink the ryzen 1700 comes with will do the job on stock clocks, but if your thinking about OCing, definately look into either a better heatsink solution or upgrading to an AIO watercooler. Also, make sure when you pick out your final parts, check the motherboards QVL to see if all of your compenents (ram,SSD's,ETC) are tested and compatible so save the risk of something not working correctly, its always good to double check before spending hard earned money =P Glad i could help.

[mariushm]

Ryzen 7 1700 comes with a stock cooler (that's quite good, even allows for some overclocking)

Ryzen 1700x and 1800x don't have coolers in the box.

Anyway, coolers are not that expensive, you can buy very good coolers at 20-25$

 

Ryzen 1700 is very good chip, i'd say best value , great performance for dollar.

 

[Darqdragon91]

@everyonewhoposted thank you for the advice final build total 1,900 with shipping