1070 FE performance problems

[ploom]

GPU: NVIDIA 1070 8GB FE

CPU: i7-3770K

Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LX LGA1155

RAM: 16gb DDR3

PSU: Corsair cx750W

Operating System & Version: Windows 10

GPU Driver: 385.28 (fresh install)

PC Benchmark: http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/476099

Core-by-core performance while in a valve DM on Dust 2: http://imgur.com/a/G3nCN

CS:GO in-game video settings: http://imgur.com/a/nP8Gn

 

Description of Problem: hey, just upgraded to a 1070 from a 2gb 670 and I am getting the same performance after the upgrade. I have installed the newest driver and have optimized my games in geforce experience, as well as checking my control panel to make sure my system is reading the card and it is. I tested fps in cs:go and I am getting 300 fps (same as I was with the 670, sometimes lower). The cpu I am using is a i7 3770k. I have tried using fps_max "0" and i still get the same problems. I have messed around with my nvidia control panel program settings for csgo, as well as running in debug mode. While playing PUBG I went from 60-70 FPS to 120-140 FPS, so this may be game specific. My CPU is not bottlenecking so why is my performance being hindered?

[Helix_Exton]

1 minute ago, ploom said:

GPU: NVIDIA 1070 8GB FE

CPU: i7-3770K

Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LX LGA1155

RAM: 16gb DDR3

PSU: Corsair cx750W

Operating System & Version: Windows 10

GPU Driver: 385.28 (fresh install

PC Benchmark: http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/476099

Core-by-core performance while in a valve DM on Dust 2: http://imgur.com/a/G3nCN

CS:GO in-game video settings: http://imgur.com/a/nP8Gn

 

Description of Problem: hey, just upgraded to a 1070 from a 2gb 670 and I am getting the same performance after the upgrade. I have installed the newest driver and have optimized my games in geforce experience, as well as checking my control panel to make sure my system is reading the card and it is. I tested fps in cs:go and I am getting 300 fps (same as I was with the 670, sometimes lower). The cpu I am using is a i7 3770k. I have tried using fps_max "0" and i still get the same problems. I have messed around with my nvidia control panel program settings for csgo, as well as running in debug mode. While playing PUBG I went from 60-70 FPS to 120-140 FPS, so this may be game specific. My CPU is not bottlenecking so why is my performance being hindered?

Why the absolute, pardon my French, fuck would you need/ want more than 300 fps. It probably is your CPU as it can't push out anymore frames from your 1070 and actually tell them to be rendered. Unless your gaming at 400hz somehow you shouldn't need more. Also upgrade your CPU sometime soon pls, that'll start being a problem soonish. 

[ploom]

When my fps dips to 180 I notice it while playing cs. Having my fps around 4-500 would make it so I don't notice any lag at all. I understand I need a cpu upgrade, I will buy a 7700K when I get the funds

[sazrocks]

CS:GO can run on a potato in terms of graphics cards, you need to overclock your CPU. What are you running it at now?

[ploom]

Just now, sazrocks said:

CS:GO can run on a potato in terms of graphics cards, you need to overclock your CPU. What are you running it at now?

you can see in the link I posted of my core-by-core performance. It runs at about 3.5ghz

[sazrocks]

13 minutes ago, ploom said:

you can see in the link I posted of my core-by-core performance. It runs at about 3.5ghz

You mean 3.7GHz? And isn't it supposed to run at 3.9Ghz stock? What are your windows power settings?

[ploom]

1 minute ago, sazrocks said:

You mean 3.7GHz? And isn't it supposed to run at 4.9Ghz stock? What are your windows power settings?

did you read my post? lol I have a 3770K

[sazrocks]

3 minutes ago, ploom said:

did you read my post? lol I have a 3770K

Yes, yes I did. I implore you to read my post again and answer my question if you would like your problem to be solved. I already understand you have a 3770k, in fact, I used that information to get the clock speeds in my post. Here is a screenshot for reference:

 

And here is your screenshot with the clockspeed labeled:

[ploom]

2 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

Yes, yes I did. I implore you to read my post again and answer my question if you would like your problem to be solved. I already understand you have a 3770k, in fact, I used that information to get the clock speeds in my post. Here is a screenshot for reference:

 

And here is your screenshot with the clockspeed labeled:

i'm confused.... you said 4.9ghz but you just edited it lol. My windows power settings is on high performance

[RGProductions]

23 minutes ago, ploom said:

When my fps dips to 180 I notice it while playing cs. Having my fps around 4-500 would make it so I don't notice any lag at all. I understand I need a cpu upgrade, I will buy a 7700K when I get the funds

Seems like a cpu bottleneck causing frame dips. 

[ploom]

Just now, RGProductions said:

Seems like a cpu bottleneck causing frame dips. 

my cpu can be bottlenecking while the utilization never goes over 40%?

[sazrocks]

3 minutes ago, ploom said:

my cpu can be bottlenecking while the utilization never goes over 40%?

Look at core 1, it is being utilized 100%. Yes you are CPU bottlenecked.

4 minutes ago, ploom said:

My windows power settings is on high performance

Then how is your CPU dropping from full turbo...? What is your cooler and what are your CPU temps?

[RGProductions]

2 minutes ago, ploom said:

my cpu can be bottlenecking while the utilization never goes over 40%?

Csgo, and source in general, doesn't use many cores, probably only using one or two. There may be a way to make it use more cores, but source 2 is on the horizon for cs, which uses could much better

[ploom]

1 minute ago, sazrocks said:

Look at core 1, it is being utilized 100%. Yes you are CPU bottlenecked.

Then how is your CPU dropping from full turbo...? What is your cooler and what are your CPU temps?

not sure... i understand that turbo freq is 3.9ghz but on my task manager it says max speed is 3.5ghz. I have a custom loop by koolance. 90F while playing cs

[sazrocks]

7 minutes ago, ploom said:

but on my task manager it says max speed is 3.5ghz

Task manager is wrong. Here's a screenshot from my computer: 

7 minutes ago, ploom said:

not sure... i understand that turbo freq is 3.9ghz.  I have a custom loop by koolance. 90F while playing cs

No clue really then, other than to check your power settings again. Also if you have a custom loop why haven't you overclocked your CPU?

 

EDIT: Koolance... do you have a fricking phase change cooler?

[faziten]

57 minutes ago, ploom said:

When my fps dips to 180 I notice it while playing cs. Having my fps around 4-500 would make it so I don't notice any lag at all. I understand I need a cpu upgrade, I will buy a 7700K when I get the funds

Don't need to change rig. 

1) Try going to NV control panel and go to 3d application configs. Find CS:GO in the list and set the GPU power delivery to maximum performance (override if necessary).

2) Overclock your CPU. High clock = high framerate. 

3) Post your CS:GO game settings. I believe you have multicore rendering set to off and some other CPU intensive crap. 

4) RAM speed and configuration. (Dual channel, single and MHz). 

[System Error Message]

the problem from my experience is not the CPU, it is the ram. I have the same CPU but with a titan xp and actually got worse performance in some games like serious sam 3 where only 30% of GPU is used causing less than 60 fps. The problem is because of ram bandwidth. Make sure you are running dual channel ram with as much ram performance as you can.

[ploom]

16 hours ago, faziten said:

Don't need to change rig. 

1) Try going to NV control panel and go to 3d application configs. Find CS:GO in the list and set the GPU power delivery to maximum performance (override if necessary).

2) Overclock your CPU. High clock = high framerate. 

3) Post your CS:GO game settings. I believe you have multicore rendering set to off and some other CPU intensive crap. 

4) RAM speed and configuration. (Dual channel, single and MHz). 

I have done this in NV control panel already for the program settings of CS:GO. I posted my video settings in my original post, and I have multicore rendering enabled already. you can see my ram and speed on the benchmark I posted

[ploom]

16 hours ago, System Error Message said:

the problem from my experience is not the CPU, it is the ram. I have the same CPU but with a titan xp and actually got worse performance in some games like serious sam 3 where only 30% of GPU is used causing less than 60 fps. The problem is because of ram bandwidth. Make sure you are running dual channel ram with as much ram performance as you can.

did you take a look at my benchmark? I has the specs of my ram on there

[faziten]

13 minutes ago, ploom said:

I have done this in NV control panel already for the program settings of CS:GO. I posted my video settings in my original post, and I have multicore rendering enabled already. you can see my ram and speed on the benchmark I posted

Just checked the data. 

Well high usage in one core mean you need to overclock that CPU in order to bump your FPS. 

You could indeed bump a few things that don't require breaking the bank.

 

1) You are on a custom loop, OC cpu and OC motherboard ready. Start overclocking it. Try something conservative like 4.2Ghz @1.2 or 1.3v. (maybe try some youtube videos for more data).

2) You can get faster RAM. 1333 is slowest memory you can get. Try 2133 it boosts performance quite a bit when you run in those high CPU usage workloads. Its a looooot cheaper than changing the whole rig, and you can sell your current ram afterwards to recover some money. 

3) Optional:You can test turning off hyperthreading on bios / setting affinity to 0,2,4,6 (in windows odd numbers mean virtual cores). 

 

You will indeed bump performance a lot. probably arround 40% all things considered. so from 180fps to 250fps which is not bad at all. 

[ploom]

23 minutes ago, faziten said:

Just checked the data. 

Well high usage in one core mean you need to overclock that CPU in order to bump your FPS. 

You could indeed bump a few things that don't require breaking the bank.

 

1) You are on a custom loop, OC cpu and OC motherboard ready. Start overclocking it. Try something conservative like 4.2Ghz @1.2 or 1.3v. (maybe try some youtube videos for more data).

2) You can get faster RAM. 1333 is slowest memory you can get. Try 2133 it boosts performance quite a bit when you run in those high CPU usage workloads. Its a looooot cheaper than changing the whole rig, and you can sell your current ram afterwards to recover some money. 

3) Optional:You can test turning off hyperthreading on bios / setting affinity to 0,2,4,6 (in windows odd numbers mean virtual cores). 

 

You will indeed bump performance a lot. probably arround 40% all things considered. so from 180fps to 250fps which is not bad at all. 

I was running around 300 fps with both the 670 and the 1070, I just booted an OC i'm at 4.66ghz and I got around a 60 fps gain give or take. Highest temps i got was 55c so we're good there.. I think that's the best i'll get without upgrading ram and cpu.

[Mick Naughty]

If that game is* single threaded then that's the issue. Seen some decent over clocks on 3770k's. Only put mine at 4.5. 

I assume that's the issue among other things. 

[Brett_Bst]

I would do what the say and try to OC the cpu and the ram is holding it bk a bit aswell