CPU overcharging

[Sindre Johansen]

Hello, a while back i built myself a computer where i used a cpu from intel (Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7600k CPU @ 3.80GHz) and i've been having issues with it every since i got it. 

It doesnt work as well as it should be when i try to launch/play games or even when i launch my computer. It starts heating up and runs at a 90-95% work rate in both instances. 
I used the MSI afterburner to check both its temprature and work rate. The temprature was around 55-66 degrees celsius, which seems far to high (without me being an expert).  
What seems weird to me tho, is that although i have issues with the cpu overheating and overworking, i seem to be able to run two games simultaneously without any difference in its performence. 
I mostly play games on my computer, and on rare occasions i experience small lag spikes when i play games like such as counter strike, Civilization and PUBG.
The rest of my specs seems to be running perfectly and has no issues at all, and i'm able to play all the games mentioned above on ultra settings just fine. 

 

Heres a couple of things i've tried:
-    Update/reinstall drivers (latest version was already installed, 2009 version)
-    Check what the cpu's power is spent on, (doesn't seem to show anything other than the game(s) i try to run.) 
-    As mentioned above i messured its temprature. 

 

Does anyone have any ideas as to what i should do in order to fix this problem? If so, then please help!

[-rascal-]

Have 90% ~ 100% CPU usage during gaming is IDEAL (in most situations).

This means the CPU is being fully utilized, and not restricted by...your video card, memory, the rest of your system, etc.

If you are just sitting in Windows, with nothing running, and you are seeing 90%+ usage, THEN something is wrong.

 

66*C is not hot for a computer when being used (e.g. work, gaming, etc).

In fact, that is more or less the average temperature.

If you noticed temperatures that are closer to 80*C ~ 85*C, or more, then you should be concerned.

 

Computer components have a fairly large operating temperature range.

Depending on what parts you use, whether or not they are overclocked, your location in the world (weather temperature)

Idle can be 30*C ~ 50*C.

Under usage 50*C ~ 80*C.

 

For an example, Intel specifies your i5-7600K with a temperature limit of 100*C.

This is the point before the CPU thermal throttles to protect itself, or the machine just shuts down.

https://ark.intel.com/products/97144/Intel-Core-i5-7600K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

 

A typically video card starts to throttle in the ~85*C+ range.

Through history, we have seen video cards that run up to 94*C+ right from the factory.

(nVidia GTX 480 and GTX, and AMD R9-290X and R9-290).

 

Your computer is running as normal.

90 ~ 95% CPU usage when gaming is good.

55*C ~ 66*C when gaming is perfectly safe, and typical.

[Sindre Johansen]

21 hours ago, -rascal- said:

Have 90% ~ 100% CPU usage during gaming is IDEAL (in most situations).

This means the CPU is being fully utilized, and not restricted by...your video card, memory, the rest of your system, etc.

If you are just sitting in Windows, with nothing running, and you are seeing 90%+ usage, THEN something is wrong.

 

66*C is not hot for a computer when being used (e.g. work, gaming, etc).

In fact, that is more or less the average temperature.

If you noticed temperatures that are closer to 80*C ~ 85*C, or more, then you should be concerned.

 

Computer components have a fairly large operating temperature range.

Depending on what parts you use, whether or not they are overclocked, your location in the world (weather temperature)

Idle can be 30*C ~ 50*C.

Under usage 50*C ~ 80*C.

 

For an example, Intel specifies your i5-7600K with a temperature limit of 100*C.

This is the point before the CPU thermal throttles to protect itself, or the machine just shuts down.

https://ark.intel.com/products/97144/Intel-Core-i5-7600K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

 

A typically video card starts to throttle in the ~85*C+ range.

Through history, we have seen video cards that run up to 94*C+ right from the factory.

(nVidia GTX 480 and GTX, and AMD R9-290X and R9-290).

 

Your computer is running as normal.

90 ~ 95% CPU usage when gaming is good.

55*C ~ 66*C when gaming is perfectly safe, and typical.

Thank u so much.

[KappaChris]

On 15.8.2017 at 9:24 PM, -rascal- said:

Have 90% ~ 100% CPU usage during gaming is IDEAL (in most situations).

This means the CPU is being fully utilized, and not restricted by...your video card, memory, the rest of your system, etc.

If you are just sitting in Windows, with nothing running, and you are seeing 90%+ usage, THEN something is wrong.

 

66*C is not hot for a computer when being used (e.g. work, gaming, etc).

In fact, that is more or less the average temperature.

If you noticed temperatures that are closer to 80*C ~ 85*C, or more, then you should be concerned.

 

Computer components have a fairly large operating temperature range.

Depending on what parts you use, whether or not they are overclocked, your location in the world (weather temperature)

Idle can be 30*C ~ 50*C.

Under usage 50*C ~ 80*C.

 

For an example, Intel specifies your i5-7600K with a temperature limit of 100*C.

This is the point before the CPU thermal throttles to protect itself, or the machine just shuts down.

https://ark.intel.com/products/97144/Intel-Core-i5-7600K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

 

A typically video card starts to throttle in the ~85*C+ range.

Through history, we have seen video cards that run up to 94*C+ right from the factory.

(nVidia GTX 480 and GTX, and AMD R9-290X and R9-290).

 

Your computer is running as normal.

90 ~ 95% CPU usage when gaming is good.

55*C ~ 66*C when gaming is perfectly safe, and typical.

Well having the same "problem" here. Same Processor same troubles in PUBG. (YES i know this game has a bad coding) But what i really like to understand WHY 90-100% usage (pubg alone uses 80-90%) is "good" and normal. BC the frame drops only appear when the "high end processor" just reaches a 100% and of course troubles with stability to finish all incoming tasks fluently. The last thing what i want to mention here is that many other players with older or even the same cpu have less workload on their cpus. 

this is a i5 6600k and he just has a smaller workload! while recording is running!

 

it 7600k with less usage! IDK this seems so weird to me. how can my system need more usage than his?!

[-rascal-]

8 hours ago, KappaChris said:

Well having the same "problem" here. Same Processor same troubles in PUBG. (YES i know this game has a bad coding) But what i really like to understand WHY 90-100% usage (pubg alone uses 80-90%) is "good" and normal. BC the frame drops only appear when the "high end processor" just reaches a 100% and of course troubles with stability to finish all incoming tasks fluently. The last thing what i want to mention here is that many other players with older or even the same cpu have less workload on their cpus. 

 

this is a i5 6600k and he just has a smaller workload! while recording is running!

 

it 7600k with less usage! IDK this seems so weird to me. how can my system need more usage than his?!

 

What kind of system are you running?

What CPU?

What video card?

RAM?

What are YOUR CPU and GPU usage percentages?

etc?

 

 

NOTES:

First YT video using ULTRA settings, and the second is using HIGH settings.

First video is using FRAPS to record -- which takes up quite a bit of CPU usage.

Second video is running an overlay (e.g. MSI afterburner) which is lighter on the CPU compared to FRAPS.

 

Something is up with the person's system in the first YT video. Their FPS is not consistent...in the 40's FPS, then dips down to under 20 FPS.

The dip is not once or twice, IT HAPPENS CONTINUOUSLY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE VIDEO.

 

In the second video (with the i5-7600K), the GPU is pegged at 99% usage most of the time, and the CPU varies from 65% ~ 80%.

The key thing is, they stay consistent at around 65 FP ~ 75 FPS.

THIS one is inline with what I am going to show you below...

 

 

i7-7600K @ 4.7 GHz with a GTX 1060.

Ultra settings -- GPU maintaining at 99% usage, CPU (active cores/threads) are sitting in the 40 ~ 60% range.

 

i5-6500 and a GTX 1070.

Ultra settings -- GPU maintaining 99% usage, and CPU is in the 65 ~ 75% range (with some spikes into the 80 ~ 90% area at times).

FPS is stable at around 55 ~ 60.

 

As you can see, the i7-7600K system is much lower CPU usage, because:

- CPU is overclocked

- PUBG does not support many cores / threads (until the more recent updates)

- An i7 has 4 cores and 8 threads, if you are using 3/8 threads at full 100%, that will be ~40% usage.
 

If you are doing an apples-to-apples comparison, your results should be consistent -- in which the two videos you linked to, they are NOT. One person is using FRAPS to record, and the other is using an overlay. One is on HIGH settings, while the other is on ULTRA. This will, at the end, affects CPU and GPU usages.

 

If a game has proper multi-core support, it will use up as much resources as possible to pump out the most FPS the machine is capable of.

This is why, your CPU and GPU should have relatively high usage.

 

An example is BF1, which has decent multi-core / multi-thread support.

Keeping the GPU and the rest of the system the same (only varying the CPU), you can see i3 > i5 > i7 (4-core) > i7 (6-core).

 

 

 

[KappaChris]

Thanks for this comprehensive reply! Well i will get over this tomorrow when i caught up some sleep. I´m thinking of making a video of my gaming performance then. Including specs settings etc.

PS: Keep on the great work! BC of People like you this is my favorite community!

[KappaChris]

On 20.8.2017 at 11:09 PM, -rascal- said:

Well i finally did a video of my performance.
The CPU issue was fixed! Well i still got FPS drops
What i realized is that my GPU load is going down while it should get a higher load. - GPU load drops -> FPS drops too - @ a value from 70/60% to 40/30% -> FPS 70/60 to 40/30

I really don´t have a clue why this is happening.

 

Video of my Gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWs1-s1Fp2g

 

 

PS: Sry that i answer that lately. (Riva didn´t work till the last beta)

 

[KappaChris]

I fixed the issues!

Just to close this threat so anybody with the same problem can fix it too.
These issues were caused by my harddrive. The specific Lag were LAGShutter!
Wiped my SSD so just connected it via charge - not with the MOBO.
Full reinstallation of the System fixed the issue.