Suggestions for my very first build please :-)

[lukastemper]

Hey I wanted to start my first build and until now i have been only using my Acer Laptop. 

For a few weeks now I have been picking parts but since I am not really that far into PC building I would appreciate your help.

 

This is my current dream part list:                    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKVfgL

I am from Austria (Europe) and my budget is about 1800-1900€, and this build will be used for Gaming and i am an Architectual Student and I will be using 3D modelling and Rendering.

 

I already have an LG UC-88 Ultrawide aswell as an Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2016 Edition, an Razer Mamba Tournament Edition and an Razer Firefly Mousepad.

 

The List is full of RGB stuff andd I know its overpriced but I really enjoy the looks of it and I already have alot of Philips Hue RGB Lamps. 

 

Thanks to every one who is reading this and is willing to help me. 

Lukas Temper

[The Sloth]

ryzen 1700

[The Sloth]

2 minutes ago, lukastemper said:

Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2016 Edition, an Razer Mamba Tournament Edition and an Razer Firefly Mousepad.

avoid razer, they have quality issues. an MX Masters and a k70/k95 would be better for productivity. 

[batmanisblue]

Get a better and bigger ssd.

[Vandorlot]

4 minutes ago, batmanisblue said:

Get a better and bigger ssd.

yep

[lukastemper]

10 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

ryzen 1700

As i said i am really not that familiar with PC building but the ryzen 1700 is a bit cheaper than the i7 7700k but has a lower base clock, right ?

[lukastemper]

9 minutes ago, batmanisblue said:

Get a better and bigger ssd.

Yeah i already thought that this would be a bit weak, but thanks 

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, lukastemper said:

As i said i am really not that familiar with PC building but the ryzen 1700 is a bit cheaper than the i7 7700k but has a lower base clock, right ?

the ryzen 1700 is basically a 5960x/6900k for less, you can easily get it to  4ghz with overclocking. 

[lukastemper]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

the ryzen 1700 is basically a 5960x/6900k for less, you can easily get it to  4ghz with overclocking. 

But since i don`t really have to buy it right now, would it make sense to wait for an i7 7800 x and an X299 motherboard ?

[The Sloth]

2 minutes ago, lukastemper said:

i7 7800 x and an X299 motherboard

wait and see, if its priced right, then yes. 

[lukastemper]

5 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

wait and see, if its priced right, then yes. 

and for the rest of the parts ? 

[The Sloth]

5 minutes ago, lukastemper said:

and for the rest of the parts ? 

looks good, see if vega is worth it. 

[lukastemper]

3 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

looks good, see if vega is worth it. 

But then i have to wait till august until they unveil it and then it will probably take some time until the release in my country.. 

[Sanctorum]

33 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

avoid razer, they have quality issues. an MX Masters and a k70/k95 would be better for productivity. 

"I already have"

21 minutes ago, lukastemper said:

but has a lower base clock, right ?

Pretty irrelevant. You can't directly compare clock speeds of two entirely different architectures.

18 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

the ryzen 1700 is basically a 5960x/6900k for less, you can easily get it to  4ghz with overclocking. 

No, it isn't. That's not even remotely true. Just because it has 8 cores, doesn't make it "basically a 5960x/6900k". They have completely different architectures and perform differently in different situations.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (€323.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  (€61.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€147.84 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LED 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€134.92 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€149.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€49.41 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card  (€707.84 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  (€90.79 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: XFX - PRO Black Edition 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€123.51 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1790.18
 

 

[The Sloth]

3 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€147.84 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

i was talking about pure performance wise. also MSI mobo seems to have lots of issues with ryzen. 

[Sanctorum]

2 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

i was talking about pure performance wise.

That's still not true though. It depends on the situation, and mostly, clock speeds. An i7-5960x/6900k will overclock better than an R7 1700, and overclocked, the 5960x/6900k still out-performs an R7 1700/1800x for the most part. 

3 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

also MSI mobo seems to have lots of issues with ryzen. 

Source?

[The Sloth]

5 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

Source?

you can easily look it up, MSI mobo also has some arm speed issues. 

-http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3385651/amd-ryzen-msi-troubles-continue.html

-https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284721.0

-http://wccftech.com/msi-enabling-axmp-ryzen-motherboards/

5 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

That's still not true though. It depends on the situation, and mostly, clock speeds. An i7-5960x/6900k will overclock better than an R7 1700, and overclocked, the 5960x/6900k still out-performs an R7 1700/1800x for the most part. 

 

i agree to a point, the 5960x can clock higher for the price the 1700 is a great value( vary close to a 5960x in terms of performance). the 6900k is a big disappointment, it can't overclock well as a 5950x, you also can't delid it. 

[The Sloth]

also, ryzen comes really close to a 7700k in gaming with highspeed ram 

 

[Sanctorum]

50 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

you can easily look it up, MSI mobo also has some arm speed issues. 

-http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3385651/amd-ryzen-msi-troubles-continue.html

-https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284721.0

-http://wccftech.com/msi-enabling-axmp-ryzen-motherboards/

Two of those forum posts are the EXACT same person, and it was a DOA motherboard. That's not an issue with MSI AM4 motherboards, it's just a faulty unit. Happens with all socket motherboards. As for the RAM thing, again, that's not an issue. All manufacturers had to update XMP profiles for AM4, and have been doing so. So I've yet to see any actual issues here with MSI boards? Regardless, he could get an Asus Prime X370 Pro, or an Asrock X370 Killer SLI/ac instead if he wanted, but the Asrock UEFI is sub par, and the Asus Prime is sub par in terms of aesthetics IMO, hence why I went with the MSI board.

52 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

he 6900k is a big disappointment

The 6900k isn't really a "big disappointment", it's a 5960x replacement with slightly poorer overclockability. Just like Broadwell(non E) had slightly poorer overclocking results than Haswell(Refresh). That's totally irrelevant to my point however, since either the 5960x OR 6900k with an overclock,will still out-perform an R7 1700(x)/1800 OC. Sure, if I were buying a $1k 8 core CPU from Intel, I'd get the 5960x over the 6900k. Keep in mind, the overclocking on the 6900k is not terrible, just typically not as good as 5960x. 

54 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

i agree to a point, the 5960x can clock higher for the price the 1700 is a great value( vary close to a 5960x in terms of performance).

This wasn't your initial point though. Your initial claim was that an R7 1700 is "basically" a 5960x/6900k. I was simply pointing out that was entirely incorrect. The 1700 can easily be up to 10% slower, or even more than(in some cases) a 5960x/6900k, so they're not always "vary close" in performance. However, I obviously agree the 1700 is a much more logical option, since that's what I recommended. Either that, or wait for Intel's $600 X299 8 core.

56 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

you also can't delid it. 

Yes, you can. I don't know if you're referring to the 5960x or 6900k here, but either way, you're wrong. Both can be delidded. Not that that's a relevant point anyway?

53 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

also, ryzen comes really close to a 7700k in gaming with highspeed ram

Hope this wasn't a reply to me? Since I never once mentioned the 7700k.

[The Sloth]

14 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

Yes, you can. I don't know if you're referring to the 5960x or 6900k here, but either way, you're wrong. Both can be delidded. Not that that's a relevant point anyway?

1 hour ago, nerdslayer1 said:

...you can't delid a 6900k, show me the source whare they say otherwise. 

14 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

Hope this wasn't a reply to me? Since I never once mentioned the 7700k.

it's funny how i didn't quote you, i thought that would imply something. 

 

14 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

The 6900k isn't really a "big disappointment", it's a 5960x replacement with slightly poorer overclockability. Just like Broadwell(non E) had slightly poorer overclocking results than Haswell(Refresh).

a overclocked 5960x can beat a overclocked 6900k, since the 5960x de-lidded can overclock higher. 

 

 

[Sanctorum]

1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

...you can't delid a 6900k, show me the source whare they say otherwise. 

 

1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

it's funny how i didn't quote you, i thought that would imply something. 

You didn't quote anyone, and you posted it right after a response to me, opening with the word "also". 

2 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

a overclocked 5960x can beat a overclocked 6900k, since the 5960x de-lidded can overclock higher. 

Except that you can delid a 6900k as well. Also, Broadwell-E has slight architectural improvements, so at the exact same clock speed, Broadwell-E would pull ahead. Since the the 5960x doesn't clock significantly higher, results from a 5960x and 6900k will be very similar, much more similar than either of those compared with a Ryzen 7 chip. With the 5960x and 6900k, it's entirely down to silicon lottery. I've also already stated that a 5960x will typically overclock better than a 6900k, no need to keep driving that point home. 

6 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

MSI still has some issues http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259

This article states NOWHERE that there are any issues with MSI motherboards in particular. So, you're actually going to have to post some proof of specifically MSI motherboards having ANY issues. Also, a 2 month old article on RAM speed is entirely irrelevant. There isn't a single motherboard manufacturer that hasn't pushed out several BIOS revisions since then, especially to fix RAM speed issues. RAM speeds were an issue with motherboard manufacturers across the board, and still sort of is, but no manufacturer is particularly worse than another in terms of RAM speed.

[The Sloth]

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[The Sloth]

3 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

 

 

 

6900k is not a 6950x FYI

[Sanctorum]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

6900k is not a 6950x FYI,

Did you actually watch the video? He literally says you can delid Haswell-E and Broadwell-E CPUs. Why don't you go ahead and post ANY evidence that a 6900k can not be delidded? Actually, first of all, you can mention why it's relevant to the fact you were incorrect when you said;

"ryzen 1700 is basically a 5960x/6900k"

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, Sanctorum said:

Did you actually watch the video? He literally says you can delid Haswell-E and Broadwell-E CPUs. Why don't you go ahead and post ANY evidence that a 6900k can not be delidded? Actually, first of all, you can mention why it's relevant to the fact you were incorrect when you said;

"ryzen 1700 is basically a 5960x/6900k"

here http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-e-core-i7-6950x-launch/ 

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/der8auer_delids_intel_s_core_i7-6950x_broadwell-e_cpu/1

 

do your research first