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[typographie]

Just now, sarggames said:

v2 model

Oops, I see my error, then. Sorry about that.

 

Still, gaming is nowhere near the point where I'd take a Sandy Bridge server chip just to have two extra physical cores. Games today can use a lot of cores, but they don't need 10. By the time they do, that Xeon will be ancient. Hell, Ryzen may be ancient by then.

[sarggames]

Just now, typographie said:

Oops, I see my error, then. Sorry about that.

 

Still, gaming is nowhere near the point where I'd take a Sandy Bridge server chip just to have two extra physical cores. Games today can use a lot of cores, but they don't need 10. By the time they do, that Xeon will be ancient. Hell, Ryzen may be ancient by then.

Also Pls tell me which is more powerful.I am future proofing.The more power the better(same price) .RYZEN HAVE ipc between haswell and broadwell so not too current too .I am confused.can xeon overclock?(curiosity)

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, sarggames said:

Also Pls tell me which is more powerful.I am future proofing.The more power the better(same price) .RYZEN HAVE ipc between haswell and broadwell so not too current too .I am confused.can xeon overclock?(curiosity)

Xeon can't overclock ryzen can, ryzen has a higher IPC and a higher clock, which in turn makes the 8c16t CPU faster then the 10c20t CPU. also ryzen can OC (3.8Ghz is easy to hit) and the socket will be supported for 3-4 years which means you can get a new faster CPU later without replacing the MOBO and Ram.

 

everyone keeps telling you to get ryzen.

[typographie]

9 minutes ago, sarggames said:

Also Pls tell me which is more powerful.I am future proofing.The more power the better(same price) .RYZEN HAVE ipc between haswell and broadwell so not too current too .I am confused.can xeon overclock?(curiosity)

As far as I know, Xeon products cannot be overclocked aside from maybe a scant few MHz from the base clock.

 

IPC in between Haswell and Broadwell still puts Ryzen a few generations ahead of Sandy Bridge. And then there's the clock speed advantage, option to overclock, and platform advantages on top of that. That Xeon might get close in certain tasks that actually tax (not just "use") all 10 cores, like video editing, but the Ryzen chip has every other advantage I can think of.

 

If you want to future proof, buying a platform with no access to DDR4, M.2, or PCIe 3.0 is counterintuitive to me.

[sarggames]

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Xeon can't overclock ryzen can, ryzen has a higher IPC and a higher clock, which in turn makes the 8c16t CPU faster then the 10c20t CPU. also ryzen can OC (3.8Ghz is easy to hit) and the socket will be supported for 3-4 years which means you can get a new faster CPU later without replacing the MOBO and Ram.

 

everyone keeps telling you to get ryzen.

if ryzen would have new ipc there is no doubt but they say their ipc is between haswell and broadwell.I dont overclock.Can you overclock on air cooler?And why passmark and cinebench telling opposite story.

[sarggames]

6 minutes ago, typographie said:

As far as I know, Xeon products cannot be overclocked aside from maybe a scant few MHz from the base clock.

 

IPC in between Haswell and Broadwell still puts Ryzen a few generations ahead of Sandy Bridge. And then there's the clock speed advantage, option to overclock, and advantages of DDR4 on top of that. That Xeon might get close in certain tasks that actually tax (not just "use") all 10 cores, like video editing, but the Ryzen chip has every other advantage I can think of.

Ivy bridge not sandy bridge this reduce gap.This is confusing

[sarggames]

1 minute ago, sarggames said:

if ryzen would have new ipc there is no doubt but they say their ipc is between haswell and broadwell.I dont overclock.Can you overclock on air cooler?And why passmark and cinebench telling opposite story.

I buy one time me poor so clever by important so too cautious. 

[The Benjamins]

5 minutes ago, sarggames said:

if ryzen would have new ipc there is no doubt but they say their ipc is between haswell and broadwell.I dont overclock.Can you overclock on air cooler?And why passmark and cinebench telling opposite story.

passmark isn't that accurate, it is the way it was written. cinebench is very close to what it would be like to do 3d model rendering. you can do a decent overclock with the AMD stock cooler or most air coolers. broadwell is basically haswell, and intel has had very little IPC gains recently so it is not that bad. the xeon is older then haswell.

 

Bottom line

 

Ryzen is better in basicly every way possible. the only time the xeon will be better is very specialize tasks that excel on intel architectures. in the long run the xeon will cost more and run slower.

[sarggames]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

passmark isn't that accurate, it is the way it was written. cinebench is very close to what it would be like to do 3d model rendering. you can do a decent overclock with the AMD stock cooler or most air coolers. broadwell is basically haswell, and intel has had very little IPC gains recently so it is not that bad. the xeon is older then haswell.

so ivy bridge and haswell have huge ipc difference ?If not then xeon is ivy bridge so still not clear.Pls dont get annoyed me poor so it matter a lot

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, sarggames said:

so ivy bridge and haswell have huge ipc difference ?If not then xeon is ivy bridge so still not clear.Pls dont get annoyed me poor so it matter a lot

ivy to haswell is bigger gap then haswell to skylake. any again if price is a concern then DON'T get a old plateform you will be stuck with a motherboard with no upgrade path, no new features like NVME SSD's and you will be using DDR3 ram which is on the way out.

 

most programs will work better with fast single threaded performance which ryzen has over the Xeon.

 

in basically 99% of the application you may ever use the Xeon is slower. it has no upside AT ALL. I can't think of anything that would be better to use that Xeon over ryzen. if you want to spend more money down the road when you upgrade and have slower performance get the Xeon.

[sarggames]

can you suggest a good cooler that can help in overclock and is cheap and less volume

[sarggames]

Just now, sarggames said:

can you suggest a good cooler that can help in overclock and is cheap and less volume

 

31 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

ivy to haswell is bigger gap then haswell to skylake. any again if price is a concern then DON'T get a old plateform you will be stuck with a motherboard with no upgrade path, no new features like NVME SSD's and you will be using DDR3 ram which is on the way out.

 

most programs will work better with fast single threaded performance which ryzen has over the Xeon.

 

in basically 99% of the application you may ever use the Xeon is slower. it has no upside AT ALL. I can't think of anything that would be better to use that Xeon over ryzen. if you want to spend more money down the road when you upgrade and have slower performance get the Xeon.

can you suggest a good cooler that can help in overclock and is cheap and less volume 3.8 atleast

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, sarggames said:

can you suggest a good cooler that can help in overclock and is cheap and less volume

I haven't used or looked at air coolers in a long time. I would use a hyper 212 or a noctua cooler.

[sarggames]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

I haven't used or looked at air coolers in a long time. I would use a hyper 212 or a noctua cooler.

thanks very much