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I know you can use metal paste for CPUs but can you use it on a GPU? 

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2 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Yes

 

But it will work like shit unless the heatpipes are directCUII style (no gaps between heatpipes)

It looks like that

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So it would work then?

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

I know you can use metal paste for CPUs but can you use it on a GPU? 

 

Just now, iamdarkyoshi said:

Yes

 

But it will work like shit unless the heatpipes are directCUII style (no gaps between heatpipes)

As mentioned above, we usually recommend using a non-conductive thermal paste, as more of it is needed to ensure a good connection to the cooler above, as the heat pipe design of most coolers usually means this works best.

 

It is also important to note that, unlike a CPU which has an integrated heat spreader (IHS), when applying thermal paste to a GPU, you are applying it directly to the die of the chip itself. If you look closely, you will see metal pins that surround the GPU. These are crucial to function, and bridging them using metallic thermal paste can have a catastrophic effect, so if metal paste is used it is best to be very very careful.

 

TLDR; in theory yes, in practice you really shouldn't.

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Just now, wzrd said:

 

As mentioned above, we usually recommend using a non-conductive thermal paste, as more of it is needed to ensure a good connection to the cooler above, as the heat pipe design of most coolers usually means this works best.

 

It is also important to note that, unlike a CPU which has an integrated heat spreader (IHS), when applying thermal paste to a GPU, you are applying it directly to the die of the chip itself. If you look closely, you will see metal pins that surround the GPU. These are crucial to function, and bridging them using metallic thermal paste can have a catastrophic effect, so if metal paste is used it is best to be very very careful.

 

TLDR; in theory yes, in practice you really shouldn't.

Yeah the heat spreader on the CPU is what made me question if it was even possible on a GPU. I think I'll stick to some thermal grizzly for now

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3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

It looks like that

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So it would work then?

Yeah that will work. I put liquid electrical tape over the capacitors and pads surrounding the die.

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Yeah the heat spreader on the CPU is what made me question if it was even possible on a GPU. I think I'll stick to some thermal grizzly for now

It is possible, it's just usually a bad idea. Some thermal pastes are designed for GPUs. Personally I tend to use EK Ectotherm almost exclusively when it comes to GPUs, but there are plenty of other good non-conductive pastes out there.

 

Which thermal grizzly is it? Some of theirs are metallic.

 

1 minute ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Yeah that will work. I put liquid electrical tape over the capacitors and pads surrounding the die.

@SamStrecker If you do choose to use the metallic one, make sure you do this. @iamdarkyoshi That's a good idea actually, I had never even thought of this.

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3 minutes ago, wzrd said:

It is possible, it's just usually a bad idea. Some thermal pastes are designed for GPUs. Personally I tend to use EK Ectotherm almost exclusively when it comes to GPUs, but there are plenty of other good non-conductive pastes out there.

 

Which thermal grizzly is it? Some of theirs are metallic.

 

@SamStrecker If you do choose to use the metallic one, make sure you do this. @iamdarkyoshi That's a good idea actually, I had never even thought of this.

The kryonaut one

 

6 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Yeah that will work. I put liquid electrical tape over the capacitors and pads surrounding the die.

What kind of temp differences do you see with and without it?

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

The kryonaut one

 

What kind of temp differences do you see with and without it?

Kryonaut isn't conductive, you shouldn't need to cover anything.

 

The liquid electrical tape is to make sure nothing is shorted out by a metallic thermal paste. It has no direct effect on temps.

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3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

The kryonaut one

 

What kind of temp differences do you see with and without it?

I saw an increase due to having gaps between heat pipes. I dropped like 30 degrees on my cpu by using it on the die

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1 hour ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

I saw an increase due to having gaps between heat pipes. I dropped like 30 degrees on my cpu by using it on the die

Oh alright. What CPU?

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The only issue with using liquid metal "Paste" is that you can't use it on aluminum or it will eat through it. Only use it on copper and be very careful when brushing it on each surface. I've never had an issue with any conductive paste so I have no idea why @wzrd is so against it.

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1 minute ago, Hunter259 said:

The only issue with using liquid metal "Paste" is that you can't use it on aluminum or it will eat through it. Only use it on copper and be very careful when brushing it on each surface. I've never had an issue with any conductive paste so I have no idea why @wzrd is so against it.

How much does it spread out when you put it on?

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

How much does it spread out when you put it on?

Liquid metal doesn't spread. Just kinda sticks. 

 

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The only issue with using liquid metal "Paste" is that you can't use it on aluminum or it will eat through it. Only use it on copper and be very careful when brushing it on each surface. I've never had an issue with any conductive paste so I have no idea why @wzrd is so against it.

I'm not against it at all. I was just explaining the reasons why it is rarely used on GPUs, and explaining that caution is necessary if you are due to the proximity of the GPU die to components that can be shorted out by a stray drop of metallic thermal paste. Applying tiny amounts of thermal paste to GPUs, as is done with liquid metal on CPUs, is impractical because of tolerances and porosity. In addition, temperature curves are only significantly different for liquid metal/similar compounds at higher temperatures, which won't be reached on GPUs (or at least shouldn't be :P)because of their throttling temperatures.

 

Using it on CPUs is completely different due to the existence of an IHS, and is not the subject of this thread :)

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2 minutes ago, wzrd said:

I'm not against it at all. I was just explaining the reasons why it is rarely used on GPUs, and explaining that caution is necessary if you are due to the proximity of the GPU die to components that can be shorted out by a stray drop of metallic thermal paste. Applying tiny amounts of thermal paste to GPUs, as is done with liquid metal on CPUs, is impractical because of tolerances and porosity. In addition, temperature curves are only significantly different for liquid metal/similar compounds at higher temperatures, which won't be reached on GPUs (or at least shouldn't be :P)because of their throttling temperatures.

 

Using it on CPUs is completely different due to the existence of an IHS, and is not the subject of this thread :)

I have never not used conductive thermal paste on my GPU's and have never had an issue. You just use a little less than normal to not cause any flow over. The liquid metal would actually be better as there is no chance of flow over as the paste doesn't work like that. The liquid metal should also improve temps quite nicely.

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I have never not used conductive thermal paste on my GPU's and have never had an issue. You just use a little less than normal to not cause any flow over. The liquid metal would actually be better as there is no chance of flow over as the paste doesn't work like that. The liquid metal should also improve temps quite nicely.

Comments show him getting about a 6-7 degree drop.

The fact that you have never had an issue doesn't mean no one else will. I never said that it would definitely cause an issue, just that it is possible and to be aware of it, and not to apply it in the same manner as normal thermal paste and take proper precautions. Due to manufacturing tolerances of coolers, and the fact that the cooler has to come into contact with multiple components, the thin layer of liquid metal used can sometimes not make full contact with the GPU die, which causes problems for obvious reasons, and is the reason most of the high end cooling companies like EK specifically recommend the application of a large amount of non-conductive paste.

 

There is also the fact that using liquid metal paste on your GPU die can technically void your warranty as it can constitute the addition of metallic components to the PCB. Moreover, it will 100% void your warranty if you spill a drop on the SMCs around the die and short them and kill the card.

 

The 290 GPUs were one of the hottest cards ever made. Newer GPUs have larger manufacturer-induced thermal and voltage restrictions and don't get nearly as hot, which would yield far less of a gain from using liquid metal over traditional paste, as they are outside the optimal thermal conductivity range of the liquid metal. It's added efficiency at higher rates of thermal conductivity is the reason it works so well between a CPU die and an IHS.

 

I'm not saying it doesn't work, just that it doesn't improve enough over non-conductive to justify the pitfalls. I have nothing against it, but it was never intended for use on GPUs, as the manufacturers will be quick to tell you. I personally use TG Conductonaut on CPUs, and CM Liquid Ultra on delidded 7700ks, so I'm not disagreeing as to its effectiveness for its intended use :)

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26 minutes ago, wzrd said:

The fact that you have never had an issue doesn't mean no one else will. I never said that it would definitely cause an issue, just that it is possible and to be aware of it, and not to apply it in the same manner as normal thermal paste and take proper precautions. Due to manufacturing tolerances of coolers, and the fact that the cooler has to come into contact with multiple components, the thin layer of liquid metal used can sometimes not make full contact with the GPU die, which causes problems for obvious reasons, and is the reason most of the high end cooling companies like EK specifically recommend the application of a large amount of non-conductive paste.

 

There is also the fact that using liquid metal paste on your GPU die can technically void your warranty as it can constitute the addition of metallic components to the PCB. Moreover, it will 100% void your warranty if you spill a drop on the SMCs around the die and short them and kill the card.

 

The 290 GPUs were one of the hottest cards ever made. Newer GPUs have larger manufacturer-induced thermal and voltage restrictions and don't get nearly as hot, which would yield far less of a gain from using liquid metal over traditional paste, as they are outside the optimal thermal conductivity range of the liquid metal. It's added efficiency at higher rates of thermal conductivity is the reason it works so well between a CPU die and an IHS.

 

I'm not saying it doesn't work, just that it doesn't improve enough over non-conductive to justify the pitfalls. I have nothing against it, but it was never intended for use on GPUs, as the manufacturers will be quick to tell you. I personally use TG Conductonaut on CPUs, and CM Liquid Ultra on delidded 7700ks, so I'm not disagreeing as to its effectiveness for its intended use :)

@SamStrecker To get back on topic, there are no extra concerns. Just clean the GPU die and cold plate of the cooler with alcohol, then apply plenty of it the Kryonaut, and reseat the cooler as usual, and you should have no problems.

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50 minutes ago, wzrd said:

@SamStrecker To get back on topic, there are no extra concerns. Just clean the GPU die and cold plate of the cooler with alcohol, then apply plenty of it the Kryonaut, and reseat the cooler as usual, and you should have no problems.

Yeah the gains aren't worth it for liquid metal

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