Air vs AIO

[f1xzor]

I want to upgrade my Cooler Master T2, also i got the i7 6700K overclocked to 4.5Ghz.

Should go for an AIO or stick with other Air cooler?

[themctipers]

how much money you have

do you want a tiny bit better temps or silence? 

[f1xzor]

Just now, themctipers said:

how much money you have

do you want a tiny bit better temps or silence? 

For temps = AIO, Air = Silence?  Better to go with an AIO and lower the RPM on idle  no?

[themctipers]

Just now, flips2K said:

For temps = AIO, Air = Silence?  Better to go with an AIO and lower the RPM on idle  no?

i mean under load, iirc air is a tiny bit quieter

 

[f1xzor]

Just now, themctipers said:

i mean under load, iirc air is a tiny bit quieter

 

Under load temps.

[themctipers]

Just now, flips2K said:

Under load temps.

?

liquid coolers usually out preform air coolers, but are a tiny bit louder

 

the real question here is how much money do you have to spend on a cooler.

[Damascus]

Depending on budget my recommendation changes drastically.  If you can afford it I'd definitively recommend a Kraken X62 or X52 

If they are out of your budget Noctua Cryorig and Be Quiet! have great Air coolers

[f1xzor]

Just now, themctipers said:

?

liquid coolers usually out preform air coolers, but are a tiny bit louder

 

the real question here is how much money do you have to spend on a cooler.

100$ - 130$

[done12many2]

4 minutes ago, flips2K said:

I want to upgrade my Cooler Master T2, also i got the i7 6700K overclocked to 4.5Ghz.

Should go for an AIO or stick with other Air cooler?

 

High end air coolers can be very effective and competitive with AIO.  

 

I tend to think of an AIO as nothing more than something that buys you time.  It simply delays the eventual rise in temps.  Due to the fact that they are very small closed loops, temps will eventually rise to just a little lower than that of higher end air coolers.  It just takes a bit more time to get to those high temps.

[themctipers]

Just now, flips2K said:

100$ - 130$

AIO

 

i dont know shit about AIO coolers, so wait until theres another response sadly. 

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, flips2K said:

100$ - 130$

 

Boom.  Here you go

1. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FFFPxr/nzxt-cpu-cooler-rlkrx6101
2. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/46tCmG/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd14
3. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xn8H99/nzxt-kraken-x52-liquid-cpu-cooler-rl-krx52-01

[f1xzor]

3 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Depending on budget my recommendation changes drastically.  If you can afford it I'd definitively recommend a Kraken X62 or X52 

If they are out of your budget Noctua Cryorig and Be Quiet! have great Air coolers

Yeah, but the problem here that the store that I buying it from don't has any NZXT coolers, so only AIOs from Corsair/Antec. And Air from CoolerMaster, Noctua and such but no Bequiet sad :c

[Damascus]

Just now, flips2K said:

Yeah, but the problem here that the store that I buying it from don't has any NZXT coolers, so only AIOs from Corsair/Antec. And Air from CoolerMaster, Noctua and such but not Bequiet. sad :c

In that case, get this AIO from corsair if you ant AIO.  Pretty dang good performance and it will be super quiet because of the 140mm fans

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RH2rxr/corsair-cpu-cooler-cw9060027ww

[f1xzor]

Just now, Damascus said:

In that case, get this AIO from corsair if you ant AIO.  Pretty dang good performance and it will be super quiet because of the 140mm fans

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RH2rxr/corsair-cpu-cooler-cw9060027ww

Oh also, my case is supporting only 120mm fans  like i can get an 240mm AIO wouldn't be a problem

[Damascus]

4 minutes ago, flips2K said:

Oh also, my case is supporting only 120mm fans  like i can get an 240mm AIO wouldn't be a problem

In that case I'd probably get:

 

This one is expandable so you can put more rads on later and even put your GPU on water eventually.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NfjWGX/alphacool-11285-639-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-11285

 

Best air cooler on the market

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4vzv6h/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd15

 

Some good (and good looking) Cryorig stuff

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rwzZxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-a40ultimate

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xFw323/cryorig-cpu-cooler-crr1a

[othertomperson]

7 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

High end air coolers can be very effective and competitive with AIO.  

 

I tend to think of an AIO as nothing more than something that buys you time.  It simply delays the eventual rise in temps.  Due to the fact that they are very small closed loops, temps will eventually rise to just a little lower than that of higher end air coolers.  It just takes a bit more time to get to those high temps.

AIOs are also safer. If you want to hang a kilogram of metal from a few milimetres of fibreglass filled with many traces whose lengths are calibrated to a fraction of a millimetre, go ahead.

[Damascus]

Just now, othertomperson said:

AIOs are also safer. If you want to hang a kilogram of metal from a few milimetres of fibreglass filled with many traces whose lengths are calibrated to a fraction of a millimetre, go ahead.

Yeah, I prefer AIO's myself

[done12many2]

Just now, othertomperson said:

AIOs are also safer. If you want to hang a kilogram of metal from a few milimetres of fibreglass filled with many traces whose lengths are calibrated to a fraction of a millimetre, go ahead.

 

Great point on the large air coolers.

 

I don't use either.  Just stating a fact.  AIO eventually reach the same temps as higher end air coolers during prolonged loads.  I've used AIOs in the past and they are great.  Just don't expect to fold all day and see better temps from an AIO.  

[othertomperson]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

Great point on the large air coolers.

 

I don't use either.  Just stating a fact.  AIO eventually reach the same temps as higher end air coolers during prolonged loads.  I've used AIOs in the past and they are great.  Just don't expect to fold all day and see better temps from an AIO.  

I definitely wouldn't bother with an AIO that was smaller than 280mm. The fact that you can take the same surface area and spread it horizontally across multiple fans, and then have the whole thing strapped to the case rather than the motherboard are why I like AIOs.

[ManiaKsLV]

6 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Great point on the large air coolers.

 

I don't use either.  Just stating a fact.  AIO eventually reach the same temps as higher end air coolers during prolonged loads.  I've used AIOs in the past and they are great.  Just don't expect to fold all day and see better temps from an AIO.  

thats simply nature of water. after 1h bench same temp. and water cools down slower. air coolers just spike fast and cool down fast but performance same.  

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, ManiaKsLV said:

thats simply nature of water. after 1h bench same temp. and water cools down slower. air coolers just spike fast and cool down fast but performance same.  

 

Exactly.  Large custom loops rarely see this problem as surface area is just too large to allow for heat soak. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

I definitely wouldn't bother with an AIO that was smaller than 280mm. The fact that you can take the same surface area and spread it horizontally across multiple fans, and then have the whole thing strapped to the case rather than the motherboard are why I like AIOs.

 

Agreed.  I wouldn't use anything smaller then 280mm myself, but even it will heak soak during extended loads.

 

[othertomperson]

10 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

Agreed.  I wouldn't use anything smaller then 280mm myself, but even it will heak soak during extended loads.

What you are calling "heat soaking" is just the specific heat of the material absorbing heat. A metal heat-sink will do this too, just more instantly. One of the benefits of water is that it absorbs spikes in heat output.

 

It's erroneous to see any link between the specific heat capacity of water and the size of a radiator -- these are in no way related.

[ManiaKsLV]

5 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

What you are calling "heat soaking" is just the specific heat of the material absorbing heat. A metal heat-sink will do this too, just more instantly. One of the benefits of water is that it absorbs spikes in heat output.

+ you can mount AIO in front of case and get better cooling for CPU but worst for other parts. + 0.1% chance of leak. And you need specific case for aio radiator mount. AIO have very good RAM compatible.

[ManiaKsLV]

After all if you need cooler for 120 bucks just buy better CPU

[done12many2]

Just now, othertomperson said:

What you are calling "heat soaking" is just the specific heat of the material absorbing heat. A metal heat-sink will do this too, just more instantly. One of the benefits of water is that it absorbs spikes in heat output.

 

You do understand that I use water cooling myself right?   I'm not an air cooling fanboy.  I'm just trying to make sure that the OP knows that AIOs have their limitations.  

 

They way you continue to quote me is as if you're trying to teach me something.

 

I use AIOs every day.  I also use a large custom loop every day.

 

An AIO will heat soak over time.  Simply pointing this out to the OP as AIO temps can be misleading over time.   They will continue to rise over extended periods of heavy loads to temps similar to those of high end water coolers.