Ryzen - What board!?

[stealth80]

Ok I made a post about selling out my 4790k, 32gb ram and Asus RoG board - advice was pretty much 50/50 on staying with my intel or jumping on a 1700. Well I bottled what I said and all my kit is on ebay. I'm operating in a fairly limited budget, basically the wife will fucking kill me if invest in this transfer by more than say £50 ish. With the listings I have, I expect to hit around £450 - £550 + So lets say a budget of £600 ish

 

So that doesn't leave a massive amount:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£304.90 @ Alza)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  (£125.98 @ YoYoTech)
Total: £430.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-03 21:31 BST+0100

 

looking at reviews recently, 3600mhz ram gives a MASSIVE gaming boost hence that choice

 

That leaves me around £170 - £200 for the board, so the boards ive considered thus far are (keep in mind I have a heavy white build):

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/zBH48d/msi-x370-gaming-pro-carbon-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-gaming-pro-carbon

 

Not white, but is RGB and looks like it has some solid specs including 2x m.2 drives

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/PDVBD3/asrock-x370-killer-sli-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-killer-sli

 

White ...

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/bWdFf7/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-5-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ax370-gaming-5

 

White + RGB and reviews seem decent especially after recent bios revision - but reviewers comments on how gigabyte screw up working Bios's concerns me

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, stealth80 said:

White ...

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/bWdFf7/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-5-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ax370-gaming-5

 

Get this or the AsRock X370 Taichi,:

 

[Jumper118]

46 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Ok I made a post about selling out my 4790k, 32gb ram and Asus RoG board - advice was pretty much 50/50 on staying with my intel or jumping on a 1700. Well I bottled what I said and all my kit is on ebay. I'm operating in a fairly limited budget, basically the wife will fucking kill me if invest in this transfer by more than say £50 ish. With the listings I have, I expect to hit around £450 - £550 + So lets say a budget of £600 ish

 

So that doesn't leave a massive amount:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£304.90 @ Alza)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  (£125.98 @ YoYoTech)
Total: £430.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-03 21:31 BST+0100

 

looking at reviews recently, 3600mhz ram gives a MASSIVE gaming boost hence that choice

 

That leaves me around £170 - £200 for the board, so the boards ive considered thus far are (keep in mind I have a heavy white build):

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/zBH48d/msi-x370-gaming-pro-carbon-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-gaming-pro-carbon

 

Not white, but is RGB and looks like it has some solid specs including 2x m.2 drives

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/PDVBD3/asrock-x370-killer-sli-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-killer-sli

 

White ...

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/bWdFf7/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-5-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ax370-gaming-5

 

White + RGB and reviews seem decent especially after recent bios revision - but reviewers comments on how gigabyte screw up working Bios's concerns me

lol the 3600mhz ram@£125 is 2400mhz if you click the link rip. 

[stealth80]

5 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

lol the 3600mhz ram@£125 is 2400mhz if you click the link rip. 

interesting sig build

 

Good spot, that would have been a kick in the balls!

[Jumper118]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

interesting sig build

 

Good spot, that would have been a kick in the balls!

my sig is always the latest and greatest, its got to the point where its so great, its in the future!  

 

well i thought the price was too good. either exclud vat or wrong kit. thought it would be at least 300 though. 

[Princess Luna]

I use the Asus Prime Pro x370, it's very solid, I have my ram running on 2933mhz

[Jumper118]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I use the Asus Prime Pro x370, it's very solid, I have my ram running on 2933mhz

i would disagree, it is missing some massively useful features  

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Jumper118 said:

i would disagree, it is missing some massively useful features  

Like what? It has been serving it's video editing, effects and rendering purpose just fine, I see no issues with the CPU performance.

[Jumper118]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Like what? It has been serving it's video editing, effects and rendering purpose just fine, I see no issues with the CPU performance.

post code read out or leds, clock gen, on board buttons are just a few, its pretty potato grade for the price tbh  my m5a99x evo has better features. 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Jumper118 said:

post code read out or leds, clock gen, on board buttons are just a few, its pretty potato grade for the price tbh  my m5a99x evo has better features. 

None of this effects performance, what do I care about buttons and leds? the board is solid in what matters which is system stability and performance, for a computer that is in quite the heavy loads almost all day every day it is all we cared for really.

 

Say one is worse than the other based on such futile things and call it "potato" when it is clearly a high end motherboard with functional BIOS is nothing but showing off favouritism over what you bought and a very hard trying to promote it so you feel better about buying it, frankly.

[Jumper118]

10 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

None of this effects performance, what do I care about buttons and leds? the board is solid in what matters which is system stability and performance, for a computer that is in quite the heavy loads almost all day every day it is all we cared for really.

 

Say one is worse than the other based on such futile things and call it "potato" when it is clearly a high end motherboard with functional BIOS is nothing but showing off favouritism over what you bought and a very hard trying to promote it so you feel better about buying it, frankly.

i have 1 actually  so ya......... i've also had 2 of these now. the second one does actually work when i turn it on and does function, but it is not a good board. 

 

i am just admitting that i didnt make the best choice of motherboard when i bought it. however my reason for buying it was because i knew asus being the biggest motherboard maker would be most likely to have stock in the uk first and i pre ordered it. also if i seel it later for a better board, whoever buys it after will pay asus tax, so i wont loose as much as if i had gone with asrock or msi  

[GamingDamned]

3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I use the Asus Prime Pro x370, it's very solid, I have my ram running on 2933mhz

How are you running it at 2933MHz? I use exact same mobo and Corsair 3000MHz Ram. If i set it using ram profile at that it does not post.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, GamingDamned said:

How are you running it at 2933MHz? I use exact same mobo and Corsair 3000MHz Ram. If i set it using ram profile at that it does not post.

Did you update to the latest bios? when we received it we had to update it first straight from asus, i'm not at work so i can't check what version is I only have the kaby system at home

[stealth80]

Ram is also proving a damn issue now, gotta be single sided ..

[GamingDamned]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Did you update to the latest bios? when we received it we had to update it first straight from asus, i'm not at work so i can't check what version is I only have the kaby system at home

Yes using the latest 0515 Bios.

[suits]

28 minutes ago, GamingDamned said:

Yes using the latest 0515 Bios.

I'm sure you did but you set the RAM voltage to 1.350? If that doesn't work it might be the RAM. Some works better than others with Ryzen at the moment give it a little bit and it'll improve. 

[GamingDamned]

4 minutes ago, suits said:

I'm sure you did but you set the RAM voltage to 1.350? If that doesn't work it might be the RAM. Some works better than others with Ryzen at the moment give it a little bit and it'll improve. 

Yes these are the ram sticks i use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014UYPEXE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[stealth80]

I think I'm gonna get the 3200mhz Trident RGB, anyone had success?

[PCGuy_5960]

3 hours ago, stealth80 said:

I think I'm gonna get the 3200mhz Trident RGB, anyone had success?

AFAIK, if you want high speed RAM with Ryzen, you need to get Ryzen certified DDR4. The G.Skill Flare X is pretty good...

[stealth80]

2 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

AFAIK, if you want high speed RAM with Ryzen, you need to get Ryzen certified DDR4. The G.Skill Flare X is pretty good...

Thanks for info, I've spent the best part of around 8 hours now reading up on boards etc, and to put it bluntly its a fucking nightmare!

 

Ram needs to be low timings, 3200 CAS 14, CAS 16 3600. - no real answer on cas 14 3000mhz

 

Then the boards - If you want to squeeze past 3200mhz on the ram you need a board with external BCLK generator - Currently only the AsRock Tachi and Fatality PRO, Asus CH6 and the Gigabyte K7 and K5 (not gaming5 Aurous!)

 

Now as I prefer a white board to go in :

 

 

It's turning into a mare!

 

I had narrowed it down to the Aurous 5 - no external BCLK and quite pricy so I thought maybe the AsRock X370 killer SLI - zero reviews and no external BCLK

 

The gigabyte and Asus boards aren't white

 

which leaves the Taichi - Even pricier than the Aurous Gaming 5 - I think I will have around £650 to do this build, that board + CPU is £540 alone

[PCGuy_5960]

1 hour ago, stealth80 said:

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What about the MSI X370 Xpower Titanium?

1 hour ago, stealth80 said:

I think I will have around £650 to do this build, that board + CPU is £540 alone

Here is another suggestion, why not build an X99 system (5820K or 6800K)? You will have more cores than you do right now, but you won't have issues with RAM, limited overclocking etc. If you stream or do video editing, I can definitely see why, but if you are mostly gaming, why not?

[Jumper118]

40 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

What about the MSI X370 Xpower Titanium?

Here is another suggestion, why not build an X99 system (5820K or 6800K)? You will have more cores than you do right now, but you won't have issues with RAM, limited overclocking etc. If you stream or do video editing, I can definitely see why, but if you are mostly gaming, why not?

The msi is the worst £/performance board lol. It doesn't have external clock gen and its £300......

 

X99 build would still cost more than ryzen and later down the line he will have less cores and an older platform with only super expensive 6900k and 5960x and 6950x to upgrade to

 

But if you can find a £230 5820k amd get a x99 soc champion from ocuk for £135 then run dual channel ram that isn't too bad of an idea. 

[PCGuy_5960]

11 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

X99 build would still cost more than ryzen and later down the line he will have less cores and an older platform with only super expensive 6900k and 5960x and 6950x to upgrade to

Well in a few years you will be able to find the 5960X for $300-400 on eBay  I don't think that an X99 system would cost much more TBH....

14 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

The msi is the worst £/performance board lol. It doesn't have external clock gen and its £300......

That's expensive!

[stealth80]

59 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Well in a few years you will be able to find the 5960X for $300-400 on eBay  I don't think that an X99 system would cost much more TBH....

That's expensive!

 

1 hour ago, Jumper118 said:

The msi is the worst £/performance board lol. It doesn't have external clock gen and its £300......

 

X99 build would still cost more than ryzen and later down the line he will have less cores and an older platform with only super expensive 6900k and 5960x and 6950x to upgrade to

 

But if you can find a £230 5820k amd get a x99 soc champion from ocuk for £135 then run dual channel ram that isn't too bad of an idea. 

Yes a shame about the Titainium, to be honest, unless my auctions surprise me, I wouldn't be able to afford that anyway.

 

I wouldn't wanna build a used system, the problem is the 6800k is over £80 more than the Ryzen chip and I can problem get a board for around £150 (Gigabyte k5 - ill just have to suck up the non white board if I wanna get max ram speeds ) and then as mentioned, I would still be 2 cores down, at £515 and still need to buy ram and still not have a white board.

 

It is a good idea though if someone is willing to go used on the chip