x370 mobo's going forward?

[biotoxin]

This is a rant, just comment what you want in your ideal ryzen mobo.

 

 

This first wave of ryzen motherboards definitely feels underwhelming, though thankfully many bios updates are patching in huge gains really quickly.

That said even on the high end x370 chipset many boards aren't doing much with what they've got at hand.

Many only have 1 m.2 with only a few having 2, they pick the same setup of pcie slots and then throw the rest at sata ports and call it a day.

 

Though it seems they're not giving it a premium feel and I've noticed the same with asus and asrock where even their premium line like the crosshair just doesn't feel like it's up to snuff compared to it's previous gen in terms of components and selection. Consider Asus going with TI for their chokes, not that TI is bad only it's clearly mid tier and they're not the only ones that have done this

low quality capacitors, mosfets, chokes, fewer vrm phases and what they do have is also lower end compared to previous iterations.

It's no surprise from what I see as to why nobody can get stable overclocks they're dealing with terrible quality leading to terrible  stability.

 

 I understand nobody really wants to put their best foot forward before they even know what they're dealing with but I'd have though at least one manufacturer would have tried. 

I also don't understand why so many x370 boards have integrated video ports they just don't belong on full atx boards, this is knowledge from over a decade ago, if it's a full atx let them get a dedicated gpu, they're probably doing so either way so don't waste the space and chipset.

both msi and asus kicked their ceramic heat spreaders and their killer nic which might not make any difference over an intel nic but it's worth noting all the same as they were paying a touch for the killer branding which by the numbers does push boards out. None so far include a dual nic option from what I've seen and only a couple have anything like esata. And where are all my fan headers? The last few mobo's of mine all had probably at least 6 fan headers and some as many as 9. I like a gaggle of fan headers and these things are fanorexic with on average 4 and it's scary how many are 3 pin and not 4. pwm might not mean much to some but I like some level of control on my fans. 

 

On top of this I'd point out that shipping a bios that is set so it won't post if a fan header is disconnected is disturbing, try hooking up a liquid aio and spend hours wondering if a board is dead only to find it just needs a bios update because it won't boot with an aio plug, that's just embarrassing.

Also more boards need diagnostic led's not enough companies do that these days, asus at least listened to complaints and has them now but a few years ago that wasn't the case. 

Of course asus is doing stupid things themselves with things like 3d printed item mounting points for make your own cable cover, come on. It's not bad but it's not exactly a selling feature to be emphasized. 

I get everyone wants rgb everything, but at least have the decency to include an off switch for the lights, they can get annoying.

 

I get what's going on with overclocking I do, but it's pointless without clean stable power for every component and these sudden shutdowns are overly dramatic, but the worst offenders are the manufacturers that still don't include an easy cmos clear. I've made cmos clear switches back in the 90's I still have and occasionally break out because some manufacturer can't be bothered with a button somewhere on the motherboard or I/O and I'm not about to play around with jumpers. Also why don't more companies include physical voltage readouts for multimeters? it's not like it would hurt them unless they try to pass with shody components. It's much better to know the real readout and measure droop yourself than rely on the digital reads. 

 

Then there's the question of how many companies don't include enough thermal sensors if any especially when they're cutting back on adequate cooling where it's needed most.

 

 

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Ideal Ryzen board: run Deus Ex and Crysis 3 4K maxed with min fps of 60

[biotoxin]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

Ideal Ryzen board: run Deus Ex and Crysis 3 4K maxed with min fps of 60

bit more than just a board I think there...

what do you actually want in a motherboard?

 

overclocking features? pcie slots? sata ports? I/O?

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Just now, biotoxin said:

bit more than just a board I think there...

what do you actually want in a motherboard?

 

overclocking features? pcie slots? sata ports? I/O?

I want lots of sata ports so i can put dvd drives in raid

Thunderbolt

USB 3.1 a lot of them

BIOS flashback to update bios w/o cpu

Have a cool looking shield like the asus z270 ix code/formula

And rgb. Even ram slots/pcie slots have backlight rgb

[Fraser Cow]

I have the ASUS Prime x370 Pro and the stupid motherboard RGBs stay on even when my computer is off, I tried changing the setting so they'd go off with my PC but it doesn't work it's it's either on or off. Also Asus Aura is the biggest joke of all! why advertise it if it doesn't even work?! I think the only board partner who really tried is Asrock with their taichi board.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

12 hours ago, biotoxin said:

 

I also don't understand why so many x370 boards have integrated video ports they just don't belong on full atx boards, this is knowledge from over a decade ago, if it's a full atx let them get a dedicated gpu, they're probably doing so either way so don't waste the space and chipset.

 

 

Because the AM4 socket supports CPUs with iGPU as well (like the A12 APUs). Same reason all mainstream Intel boards, from Sandy Bridge to Kaby Lake, have integrated video ports, regardless of form factor.

I don't understand the point about "wasting chipset": the chipset has nothing to do with it. There's no on-board GPU in these motherboards.

 

[biotoxin]

On 3/27/2017 at 9:05 AM, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Because the AM4 socket supports CPUs with iGPU as well (like the A12 APUs). Same reason all mainstream Intel boards, from Sandy Bridge to Kaby Lake, have integrated video ports, regardless of form factor.

I don't understand the point about "wasting chipset": the chipset has nothing to do with it. There's no on-board GPU in these motherboards.

 

running lanes to the port pulls from what you can think of as a max capacity of included things, each pci lane, each sata port, each usb adds up and having a port itself also takes points in this regard, and the point about wasting is that I was previously of the understanding this was the high end chipset intended for high end boards likely meaning having the port was pointless for the target audience.

 

I've since learned that there's yet another chipset coming that's part of that "enthusiast" line making this the mid tier option in which case I can totally see people going with the r5's and actually using the igpu, less likely than perhaps the b350 but not unreasonable for maybe someone setting up an htpc