Matrix

[MATRIX 1]

Water cooled...  I want to run my fans at about 800 rpm's to my radiators I'm going to use a separator for the debut in the CPU are there any recommendations I have looked through most of the available stuff seems to me I can go for a higher fin count 

[MATRIX 1]

*GPU AND CPU

[Mick Naughty]

Would go lower fin if you want low rpms. Need to buy the largest the case will fit, maybe to depending on what can fit.

[MATRIX 1]

41 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

want

Nice rigs 

yes low RPM,s  

since my case is mid tower phantek enthoo I would like to keep rads low profile

[MATRIX 1]

53 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

buy

I am choked that I cannot buy Titan XP with water cooling under warranty 

 

[Mick Naughty]

Warranty won't matter. If you are smart enough to stop a leak you won't break anything. Especially while the water is fresh and hasn't become conductive. If you really want a Titan xp, something as trivial as a warranty isn't gonna stop you. 

 

 

As far as the rads go, I'd get a 360 up top and 240 on the bottom. Don't need to be low pro a decent 40mm series would work fine. 

[MATRIX 1]

23 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Warranty won't matter. If you are smart enough to stop a leak you won't break anything. Especially while the water is fresh and hasn't become conductive. If you really want a Titan xp, something as trivial as a warranty isn't gonna stop you. 

 

 

As far as the rads go, I'd get a 360 up top and 240 on the bottom. Don't need to be low pro a decent 40mm series would work fine. 

 

I like your thoughts on th XP. 

Is it necessary to have such long radiators

[phongle123]

23 minutes ago, MATRIX 1 said:

 

I like your thoughts on th XP. 

Is it necessary to have such long radiators

I'm just gonna put in some knowledge,

1) Considering a 360mm Radiator is 100% SA, 280mm is 90% SA, and 240mm is 66% SA in regards to the 360mm Radiator.

2) The area in which you have to use for top radiators without impeding on drive bays is 331mm. Meaning if you use a 360mm Radiator you will not be able to mount any 3.5in drives or peripherals.

3) Your case has 240mm Width on the sides.

4) You will want at least 2 Radiators, theoretically 1 for each CPU/GPU even tho they will go through the same loop.

5) If you run 40mm Radiators like he says you will have to run higher speed fans. If the Radiator is thicker it will require high fan speeds to be able to surpass through it.

6) If you want to run 800 RPM fans you will want a slim radiator with 14/16 fin density, maybe even 12 if you want to run your fans at 800RPM at all times.

 

If you want my suggestions just ask as I don't want to tell you what to do and you would have to give me the direct link to your case as that is just a broad case series and I used the Phantek Enthoo Primo as reference.

[MATRIX 1]

22 hours ago, phongle123 said:

 

23 hours ago, MATRIX 1 said:

 

I like your thoughts on th XP. 

Is it necessary to have such long radiators

I'm just gonna put in some knowledge,

1) Considering a 360mm Radiator is 100% SA, 280mm is 90% SA, and 240mm is 66% SA in regards to the 360mm Radiator.

2) The area in which you have to use for top radiators without impeding on drive bays is 331mm. Meaning if you use a 360mm Radiator you will not be able to mount any 3.5in drives or peripherals.

3) Your case has 240mm Width on the sides.

4) You will want at least 2 Radiators, theoretically 1 for each CPU/GPU even tho they will go through the same loop.

5) If you run 40mm Radiators like he says you will have to run higher speed fans. If the Radiator is thicker it will require high fan speeds to be able to surpass through it.

6) If you want to run 800 RPM fans you will want a slim radiator with 14/16 fin density, maybe even 12 if you want to run your fans at 800RPM at all times.

 

If you want my suggestions just ask as I don't want to tell you what to do and you would have to give me the direct link to your case as that is just a broad case series and I used the Phantek Enthoo Primo as reference.

 

 Hi and thank you for your input

Phantek Enthoo temper glass case

 From the information I have gathered over the last two weeks I would concur although I don't have personal experience Yet ,that the lower fin count and thin rad will keep my RPMs down. 

 I will not be using any Drives , so that space is available 

I was going to run two pumps with separate rad/fan combo to have Indepenent cooling for the CPU andGPU. 

 

 

[MATRIX 1]

6 minutes ago, MATRIX 1 said:

23 hours ago, phongle123 said:

23 hours ago, MATRIX 1 said:

 

I'm just gonna put in some knowledge,

1) Considering a 360mm Radiator is 100% SA, 280mm is 90% SA, and 240mm is 66% SA in regards to the 360mm Radiator.

2) The area in which you have to use for top radiators without impeding on drive bays is 331mm. Meaning if you use a 360mm Radiator you will not be able to mount any 3.5in drives or peripherals.

3) Your case has 240mm Width on the sides.

4) You will want at least 2 Radiators, theoretically 1 for each CPU/GPU even tho they will go through the same loop.

5) If you run 40mm Radiators like he says you will have to run higher speed fans. If the Radiator is thicker it will require high fan speeds to be able to surpass through it.

6) If you want to run 800 RPM fans you will want a slim radiator with 14/16 fin density, maybe even 12 if you want to run your fans at 800RPM at all times.

 

If you want my suggestions just ask as I don't want to tell you what to do and you would have to give me the direct link to your case as that is just a broad case series and I used the Phantek Enthoo Primo as reference.

 

 Hi and thank you for your input

Phantek Enthoo temper glass case

 From the information I have gathered over the last two weeks I would concur although I don't have personal experience Yet ,that the lower fin count and thin rad will keep my RPMs down. 

 I will not be using any Drives , so that space is available 

I was going to run two pumps with separate rad/fan combo to have Indepenent cooling for the CPU andGPU. 

 

 

What does SA mean

[phongle123]

2 hours ago, MATRIX 1 said:

What does SA mean

SA means Surface Area. Also don't run 2 pumps or closed loops, just run it all through 1 loop. Unless you're running like 15 feet worth of tubing and a bunch of 90 degree turns where you need the pressure. I ended up finding this case Phanteks ENTHOO EVOLV ATX GLASS PH-ES515ETG_GS

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Specs of Case:

235 mm x 495 mm x 510 mm (W x H x D) or 9.25 in x 19.5 in x 20.1 in (W x H x D)

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Since your case is curved at the top you lose some room.

 

For maximum overkill---

What you need to do, measure the length of this cap opening and and see if there is at least 85mm. If there is follow this

Place 3 120mm fans in front of the case so you still have the 85mm to use and then do 360mm Radiator - Fan - 360mm Radiator. Essentially you will have Fan-Rad-Fan-Rad combo. Stacking radiators result in a 20% loss in total performance. Then place a 280mm Radiator at the top.

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For maximum quietness---

Just place a 280mm Radiator on both the top and the front. Bigger fans can run at lower RPM and still deliver the same performance. So quieter. ( For reference I am running 2x280mm stacked radiators and a 240mm)

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Just from looking at pictures it does not look like you are able to use a 360mm radiator on both the front of the top. Use these 2 pictures for reference (Top Radiator) (Front Radiator). As you can see, when the 360mm Radiator is used it looks to take over the whole side of whichever spot it is being used on so another 360mm radiator would impede and not fit.

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If you do NOT have 85mm of space but still want the most out of your case---

Run a stack of Fan - 360mm Rad - Fan - 240mm Rad. And then use a 280mm Rad at the top.

[MATRIX 1]

20 hours ago, phongle123 said:

SA means Surface Area. Also don't run 2 pumps or closed loops, just run it all through 1 loop. Unless you're running like 15 feet worth of tubing and a bunch of 90 degree turns where you need the pressure. I ended up finding this case Phanteks ENTHOO EVOLV ATX GLASS PH-ES515ETG_GS

Ok thanks 

yes surface area always a big deal!

 I am under the impression that if I ran both the CPU and GPU in the same loop I'm caring the heat from one to the other and then to the radiator. What am I missing? I do not want to buy closed loops because of the flex lines for starters. 

I'm looking into fans ..... Be Quiet or Notashh and radiators Hardware labs or alpha cool?

 

[phongle123]

37 minutes ago, MATRIX 1 said:

Ok thanks 

yes surface area always a big deal!

 I am under the impression that if I ran both the CPU and GPU in the same loop I'm caring the heat from one to the other and then to the radiator. What am I missing? I do not want to buy closed loops because of the flex lines for starters. 

I'm looking into fans ..... Be Quiet or Notashh and radiators Hardware labs or alpha cool?

 

Best slim radiator is Black Ice 280 GTS, it is a little wider than 140mm so it wont fit in small form factor cases but yours is a small form factor. It is also 16 fin density, 30mm thick, and split finned. They do cost a lot, but any radiator is good.

 

Noctua fans. Running CPU - Rad - GPU - Rad is better but it's a small difference. Making your case look better is best and that is usually CPU - GPU or vice versa. If you go GPU - Radiator - CPU you might have crosses and makes the loop look ugly. And also if you run GPU - Radiator - CPU you adding more tubing than if you went GPU - CPU - Radiator indefinitely.

[MATRIX 1]

K

titan XP with water cooling no warranty or Evga hydro copper FTW 1080 or wait for a week or two for new product ?

10 minutes ago, phongle123 said:

est slim radiator is Black Ice 280 GTS, it is a little wider than 140mm so it wont fit in small form factor cases but yours is a small form factor. It is also 16 fin density, 30mm thick, and split finned. They do cost a lot, but any radiator is

 

[phongle123]

16 hours ago, MATRIX 1 said:

K

titan XP with water cooling no warranty or Evga hydro copper FTW 1080 or wait for a week or two for new product ?

 

A 1080 will never surpass a Titan XP. The EVGA Hydro Copper DOES have 2x 8 Pin so it can supply more power to be overclocked surpassing 2200 Mhz.

Still, the 1080 will never be fast enough to beat a Titan XP. If you're smart enough to not break the stickers then even if you water cool it you still have warranty, because if you RMA it the sticker is still there, although crinkled from taking it off and store it on a piece of paper that you can easily retake the sticker back off, you still have warranty nonetheless.

 

I also had a typo when i said " but yours is a small form factor ", yours ISN'T a small form factor case.

[MATRIX 1]

16 hours ago, MATRIX 1 said:

est slim radiator is Black Ice 280 GTS, it is a little wider than 140mm so it wont fit in small form factor cases but yours is a small form factor. It is also 16 fin density, 30mm thick, and split finned. They do cost a lot, but any radiator is

My eyes have opened a bit thank you

I will run the water cooling in a parallel circuit instead of series and use the same largest thin rad to cool bothGpu and CPU along with one pump and one resivore

I'm going to remove / change the rad/fan support on the top so I can lift it higher so it doesn't crowd motherboard. 

Did you get my question about Titan etc above?

[MATRIX 1]

6 hours ago, phongle123 said:

A 1080 will never surpass a Titan XP. The EVGA Hydro Copper DOES have 2x 8 Pin so it can supply more power to be overclocked surpassing 2200 Mhz.

Still, the 1080 will never be fast enough to beat a Titan XP. If you're smart enough to not break the stickers then even if you water cool it you still have warranty, because if you RMA it the sticker is still there, although crinkled from taking it off and store it on a piece of paper that you can easily retake the sticker back off, you still have warranty nonetheless.

 

I also had a typo when i said " but yours is a small form factor ", yours ISN'T a small form factor case.

RMA ? Yes I noticed the 2x8pin in pictures on the FTW hydro/C 1080 and from there on I started to consider it. So there is a sticker that I carefully take off the XP and store safely away...... Add water cooler and if the card fails I put sticker back on with the stock cooler and claim warranty?

[MATRIX 1]

1 minute ago, MATRIX 1 said:

A 1080 will never surpass a Titan XP. The EVGA Hydro Copper DOES have 2x 8 Pin so it can supply more power to be overclocked surpassing 2200 Mhz.

Still, the 1080 will never be fast enough to beat a Titan XP. If you're smart enough to not break the stickers then even if you water cool it you still have warranty, because if you RMA it the sticker is still there, although crinkled from taking it off and store it on a piece of paper that you can easily retake the sticker back off, you still have warranty nonetheless.

 

I also had a typo when i said " but yours is a small form factor ", yours ISN'T a small form factor case.

Also thank you for the clarity on form factor.... I was going to check my case.

 

 

Water blocks ? Solid tubing ? Pumps?