opinion on diy networking solution.

[glunday]

So i wanted to get some ideas i have regarding networking and wifi. I just upgraded my wifi card in my desktop because my 15$ ebay card wasn't working well (i know shocking right?) so with that card i was getting 5-7 Mbps (all tested numbers were averages from speedtest.net run 5 times and averaged out roughly) , so i upgraded to a dual band ac wifi card (Amazon link) and got about 7-10 Mbps and i had already ordered some upgraded antennas so i put those on (Amazon link Newegg link) and now im getting between 15-20 Mbps all on 2.4Ghz. Now to my idea, i want to route all of my traffic through a VPN and i can do this for most things on my PC fairly easily (but not all). but im debating taking my wifi card out and building a router that receives the wifi signal, and connects to my rooms wired network (i use it to stream content from my pc to plugged in laptop or ps3 instead of sending it out to the router and back over wifi.) that router will also handle sending all my traffic through a VPN including the computer traffic that i can't control directly and would be about 13 feet closer to the router (still about 20-25 feet away) now before someone says it i cannot connect via a wired connection because it is in another family member's room and i can't change anything on the house. this would still be connecting via 2.4 Ghz but if i can convince them to let me put a spare dual band router in there i could connect it to 5ghz (were useing the stock ISP router right now.) would this be a good idea? should i expect better numbers, about the same? i would also get more control over my traffic and could add things like another firewall could move my movie repository over there instead of on my desktop, make it into a NAS and/or a backup. just looking for opinions and/or ideas.

[Jasun]

All those words jumbled together was really confusing to me to read because I have a short attention span.  Anyways, I would always recommend using a wired connected via Ethernet because it's literally wired (no pun intended) to your router/modem(if your modem supports it). Let me share some of my experience with you; I bought a wireless adapter off of some Ebay seller that is in China and was $1.99 before shipping. It's complete crap but it still works surprisingly well considering the price. On my laptop, I get around 30 Mbps and on my desktop with the crap adapter, I get around 20-25 Mbps. To sum this all up, use Ethernet.

[glunday]

1 minute ago, Jasun said:

All those words jumbled together was really confusing to me to read because I have a short attention span.  Anyways, I would always recommend using a wired connected via Ethernet because it's literally wired (no pun intended) to your router/modem(if your modem supports it). Let me share some of my experience with you; I bought a wireless adapter off of some Ebay seller that is in China and was $1.99 before shipping. It's complete crap but it still works surprisingly well considering the price. On my laptop, I get around 30 Mbps and on my desktop with the crap adapter, I get around 20-25 Mbps. To sum this all up, use Ethernet.

well i said in my original post that im unable to use a direct wired solution.

[Jasun]

Just now, glunday said:

well i said in my original post that im unable to use a direct wired solution.

Why? Sorry I really don't like reading long things.  There is another option for wired, it uses your home's electrical system (or whatever it's called, the wires in between your walls) to connect to you to the internet. Here's an example; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication (some info regarding powerline adapters) and, https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Computer-Network-Adapters/b?ie=UTF8&node=1194444. 

[glunday]

1 minute ago, Jasun said:

Why? Sorry I really don't like reading long things.  There is another option for wired, it uses your home's electrical system (or whatever it's called, the wires in between your walls) to connect to you to the internet. Here's an example; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication (some info regarding powerline adapters) and, https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Computer-Network-Adapters/b?ie=UTF8&node=1194444. 

because i cannot drill holes or change anything on the house and my family member in the room with the router wouldn't want a wire running across their room, and i have tried powerline adapters but my home's wiring is older and they resulted in worse performance than straight wifi. I have tested all of the conventional ways to connect my room and wifi is the best so far. plus my solution has the added benefit of extra security, ability to add NAS functionality, and routing all of my traffic through a VPN. with the exception of the powerline adapter i covered all this in my original post. and if you're going to reply to someones post it's honestly just polite to read the whole post or skip it and not answer.

[Donut417]

In a nut shell you want a router to communicate to a router via wireless. I have done this before in the past. Truthfully I dont think it will work any better. Another option to consider is to buy a better WiFi access point and use that instead. Just turn the wireless off on your ISP supplied router. 

 

Another option if you have coax ran through the house, is to use MOCA. This will allow you to use the Coax as networking cable. Its faster than power line and could be faster than WiFi in most cases. It even works on the same Coax that carries cable and internet data. However it does not work with Satellite TV service. There's also a little more setup involved than buying adapters. One you need Moca compatible splitters. Two you need a MOCA filter on the main line coming in to your house. These items are cheap and easy to install. Should be no drilling or anything. 

[Jasun]

Just now, glunday said:

because i cannot drill holes or change anything on the house and my family member in the room with the router wouldn't want a wire running across their room, and i have tried powerline adapters but my home's wiring is older and they resulted in worse performance than straight wifi. I have tested all of the conventional ways to connect my room and wifi is the best so far. plus my solution has the added benefit of extra security, ability to add NAS functionality, and routing all of my traffic through a VPN. with the exception of the powerline adapter i covered all this in my original post. and if you're going to reply to someones post it's honestly just polite to read the whole post or skip it and not answer.

Oh, i'm very sorry;  but I did read the entire post. About the 5Ghz router, It will improve your performance a ton if your neighbors are using the same frequency or maybe the 2.4Ghz is too crowded. I generally would add a 5Ghz router to speed things up. 

[glunday]

1 minute ago, Donut417 said:

In a nut shell you want a router to communicate to a router via wireless. I have done this before in the past. Truthfully I dont think it will work any better. Another option to consider is to buy a better WiFi access point and use that instead. Just turn the wireless off on your ISP supplied router. 

 

Another option if you have coax ran through the house, is to use MOCA. This will allow you to use the Coax as networking cable. Its faster than power line and could be faster than WiFi in most cases. It even works on the same Coax that carries cable and internet data. However it does not work with Satellite TV service. There's also a little more setup involved than buying adapters. One you need Moca compatible splitters. Two you need a MOCA filter on the main line coming in to your house. These items are cheap and easy to install. Should be no drilling or anything. 

i had not heard of that before, nobody upstairs uses coax at all but the house does have DirectTV although its through ATT and we dont have a dish. maybe i could isolate both of our coax lines and just direct connect them together, would that negate the need to use a MOCA filter?

[glunday]

5 minutes ago, Jasun said:

Oh, i'm very sorry;  but I did read the entire post. About the 5Ghz router, It will improve your performance a ton if your neighbors are using the same frequency or maybe the 2.4Ghz is too crowded. I generally would add a 5Ghz router to speed things up. 

Its fine, that is a pet peeve of mine that it seems alot of people just dont read the OP and ask things or say things that have already been covered in the first post. but that's why i was considering that buy my family member would have to let me put the router there and nobody else in the house would want to move so it would only be for me. although +donut417 idea of going through coax could work and might be the best solution.

[glunday]

13 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

In a nut shell you want a router to communicate to a router via wireless. I have done this before in the past. Truthfully I dont think it will work any better. Another option to consider is to buy a better WiFi access point and use that instead. Just turn the wireless off on your ISP supplied router. 

 

Another option if you have coax ran through the house, is to use MOCA. This will allow you to use the Coax as networking cable. Its faster than power line and could be faster than WiFi in most cases. It even works on the same Coax that carries cable and internet data. However it does not work with Satellite TV service. There's also a little more setup involved than buying adapters. One you need Moca compatible splitters. Two you need a MOCA filter on the main line coming in to your house. These items are cheap and easy to install. Should be no drilling or anything. 

would this work if i isolated the coax from each room effectively turning it into 1 long coax cable?

[Donut417]

3 minutes ago, glunday said:

i had not heard of that before, nobody upstairs uses coax at all but the house does have DirectTV although its through ATT and we dont have a dish. maybe i could isolate both of our coax lines and just direct connect them together, would that negate the need to use a MOCA filter?

If you can disconnect those lines from the main spliiter than you should be good. Satellite service uses the same frequencies on the coax that Moca uses. Plus ATT does DSL or fiber in some areas. So you dont have a cable company, so no need for the filter. I would say just get a barrel connector and connect to two lines together. You will need MOCA adapters on each end. Moca 2.0 adapters should be able to hit over 400Mbps. 

 

http://www.mocalliance.org/ Check out the site. It should have more info. I think they had links to videos about install. Or you could check out Youtube. The only shit part is Moca never has taken off in the consumer market. Its used by many cable companies but not by many home users. So your options for brands it only Actiontech. 

[Donut417]

1 minute ago, glunday said:

would this work if i isolated the coax from each room effectively turning it into 1 long coax cable?

Those are only capable of maybe 100mbps. Just like WiFi Moca is half duplex. Which is why I suggest MOCA 2.0 or the new Moca 2.1 adapters if available. 

[glunday]

 

7 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Those are only capable of maybe 100mbps. Just like WiFi Moca is half duplex. Which is why I suggest MOCA 2.0 or the new Moca 2.1 adapters if available. 

well that's 10$ for 2 instead of 100$+ for adapters i was able to find in a quick search.

also i only ether have 30mbps or 45mbps from ATT (can't remember.) and we all know that most of the time you're not going to get that you're going to get a little less. so 200 mbps half duplex or essentially 100 mbps full duplex should be perfectly fine considering this is only to get the internet onto the gigabit network i already have setup in my room. any streaming would be handled by my LAN and not by the coax line.