cpu platform upgrade

[Wackojacko]

hey everyone, in another thread i asked the question if there was a decent upgrade to my i5 4460 in the same platform(without having to switch motherboard and ram and everything) after most replies and myself thinking on it a bit, i thought it might be more worth it to look into a new platform and save my money up for that since the improvements when it comes to performance would be bigger, but i dont have a lot of knowledge when it comes to cpus and motherboards. so i am looking for tips on a whole system refresh and what might be the smartest move, im looking for a system that is maybe more on the "higher end" of things since the build i have currently was always a mid tier build i think and i have had it for quite a while a lot has changed for me in that time financially and i want a more powerful pc.

so what i am looking for in the end is a combination of cpu motherboard and DDR4 memory of a newer and higher end platform, again i dont have a ton of knowledge when it comes to cpu's so im sorry if im wording things weird or whatever my current build i had someone help me pick out all the parts to get a nice fit for the budget i had at the time.

i dont know how expensive this combination is most of the time but lets say my budget is 600-1000 euro's(any build in dollars is fine too tho) excluding GPU that upgrade is for later.

 

any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated!

 

like i said i dont know a whole lot about it and my last build was kinda done by someone else with the money i had so go easy on my pls!

 

my current cpu/gpu setup http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qVBjGf

[rn8686]

Use the permalink at the top, the list doesnt work. 

[Gonio]

List is empty. if you can hold of for a while wait 2-3 months. Might be a money saver with Kaby/Zen around then for Skylake.

 

But go unlocked. It gives you more useable lifespan in future if you run into limits.

[Guest]

I would get a 4790 non K if you don't want new RAM and mobo. Should serve you well

Other than that go with 6700k and a new mobo + ram. Should come less than 1000 euros for sure

[Litargirio]

You can try to get your hands on a second hand 4790K or non-K to get the (sweet sweet) hyperthreading. Or new, if you don't mid paying a bit more, I guess.

 

Other than that, you have Haswell-E and Skylake, the latter being the cheapest and most logical thing to buy, with a 6700k; though neither will give you a tangible performance improvement, since performance hasn't really improved much since Haswell. Only a bit, but you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

 

And even though Skylake would be a waste of money, buying a 4790/4790K for the (sweet sweet) hyperthreading wouldn't gain you that much performance either.

 

Perhaps, if you want to get more performance, you could simply buy a newer card instead. Your current platform is still strong.

[xc3ll]

Yeah, a used 4770/4790 (or k if you have a decent cooler and Z-chipset) would give you the best return on investment. Your 4460 should give you some money back, if you sell it.

[Wackojacko]

8 hours ago, Litargirio said:

You can try to get your hands on a second hand 4790K or non-K to get the (sweet sweet) hyperthreading. Or new, if you don't mid paying a bit more, I guess.

 

Other than that, you have Haswell-E and Skylake, the latter being the cheapest and most logical thing to buy, with a 6700k; though neither will give you a tangible performance improvement, since performance hasn't really improved much since Haswell. Only a bit, but you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

 

And even though Skylake would be a waste of money, buying a 4790/4790K for the (sweet sweet) hyperthreading wouldn't gain you that much performance either.

 

Perhaps, if you want to get more performance, you could simply buy a newer card instead. Your current platform is still strong.

the thing is, i check canyourunit.com for newer games from time to time, and my cpu is always the thing that gives me trouble when i check it on that site, also i notice in games like mafia 3 that my cpu is always maxed out, which makes me think that there has to be something newer and faster on the market but you say there is no big improvement and that i wouldnt notice it? i might have to look at 4790(k) instead, im guessing ill probly be able to get that for cheaper too. thanks for the advice

[Litargirio]

2 hours ago, Wackojacko said:

the thing is, i check canyourunit.com for newer games from time to time, and my cpu is always the thing that gives me trouble when i check it on that site, also i notice in games like mafia 3 that my cpu is always maxed out, which makes me think that there has to be something newer and faster on the market but you say there is no big improvement and that i wouldnt notice it? i might have to look at 4790(k) instead, im guessing ill probly be able to get that for cheaper too. thanks for the advice

Your CPU is not holding you back. Don't listen to any websites.

 

If you want an actual performance upgrade, you can sell your 970 and buy a 1070. And if you got a 4790(k) on top of that, you would be golden.

 

Once again, don't listen the crap whatever website tells you. With a 4790 and a 1070 you could go for another 4-7 years without upgrading, and still play all the games at 60+ fps.

[Litargirio]

By the way, Mafia 3 is very poorly optimized. It's not that your CPU can't handle it, that game just has a lot of performance issues.

[Gonio]

3 hours ago, Litargirio said:

By the way, Mafia 3 is very poorly optimized. It's not that your CPU can't handle it, that game just has a lot of performance issues.

That happens more and more these days it seems...

[Wackojacko]

10 hours ago, Litargirio said:

Your CPU is not holding you back. Don't listen to any websites.

 

If you want an actual performance upgrade, you can sell your 970 and buy a 1070. And if you got a 4790(k) on top of that, you would be golden.

 

Once again, don't listen the crap whatever website tells you. With a 4790 and a 1070 you could go for another 4-7 years without upgrading, and still play all the games at 60+ fps.

uh so when on sites like that the game recommends another cpu which makes the site say that mine is below that, it isnt correct? because it did that with mafia 3. it said that my current cpu is lower then the recommended, but my 970 does pass the recomended spec. so you are saying these tests are not reliable? because i dont know any other way to test it myself then, plus in mafia 3 my cpu is at a constant 90+ % utilisation(checked with taskmanager) while my 970 is fine in that stage, if mafia 3 is poorly optimised then ok thats a reason, but that site i was talking about does say my cpu is lower then recommended for more titles that i have thought about getting, causing me to buy some titles on my ps4 because i dont want to play a laggy game on pc even though i prefer pc 100%. so you are saying that this information was wrong all that time? do you have any other option to check my pc specs rather easily for someone that is not that well known with the latest good spec? because reading the recomended spec for a game or using a site like canyourunit.com is basically the same but the site just does it auto for you.( at least i thought this was the case) 

 

thanks for all the answers man! i am interested in all the pc specs and newest stuff, i watch multiple tech youtubers, but i just dont know what the next upgrade step would be for me personally i lack that understanding i guess, so thanks!

 

Edit: had another question, i saw 4790 v 4790k on some sites and the base clock on the 4790k seemed to be faster, does this mean it would be worth it to get the 4790k even though my current mobo doesnt support OC?

[DunePilot]

4790 or 4790k are both good options, but if you just want a platform upgrade and want to stick with the same case and PSU you can expect to pay 100-150 for some DDR4, 350 for a CPU, and $120-250 for a motherboard and that should set you right. I would personally wait for a 7700k Kaby Lake build if you don't mind waiting another 3 months, you'll have something newer for basically the same money.

[Wackojacko]

1 minute ago, DunePilot said:

4790 or 4790k are both good options, but if you just want a platform upgrade and want to stick with the same case and PSU you can expect to pay 100-150 for some DDR4, 350 for a CPU, and $120-250 for a motherboard and that should set you right. I would personally wait for a 7700k Kaby Lake build if you don't mind waiting another 3 months, you'll have something newer for basically the same money.

yea i kind of do want an upgrade short term, since i just have the feeling my spec is holding me back in some cases(this might not actually be the case, but it feels like that) but a 4790(k) would be a better solution short term then a platform upgrade if the platform upgrade doesnt give that big of noticable difference as was told to me before

[DunePilot]

Its not a huge difference from a 4790k but it is a little.... but you will spend at least lets say.. $200-250 on a used 4790k or $325-350 for a new one. The new 7700k will be ~$350 new too. The motherboard and ram will only be another $250. You might be able to sell what you have for $250 keeping your case and PSU and drives and just swap the new stuff in and get some money back and only be out $350 either way.

[Wackojacko]

1 minute ago, DunePilot said:

Its not a huge difference from a 4790k but it is a little.... but you will spend at least lets say.. $200-250 on a used 4790k or $325-350 for a new one. The new 7700k will be ~$350 new too. The motherboard and ram will only be another $250. You might be able to sell what you have for $250 keeping your case and PSU and drives and just swap the new stuff in and get some money back and only be out $350 either way.

hmm, you actually might be right man, just preparing for kaby lake now and just dealing with it untill then would be the better option i guess. investing in a 1070 at this time might be the better option if i want an upgrade, sell the 970 and get a 1070 since that difference in performance is probably bigger and the 1070 wont be outplayed by a new gpu that soon( im talking about new series not like 1080 or titan)

[Litargirio]

1 hour ago, Wackojacko said:

do you have any other option to check my pc specs rather easily for someone that is not that well known with the latest good spec?

There is none, because nobody does that. Even the nearly 6 year old i7-2700K can run all the games at max settings with a good graphics card.

[Wackojacko]

Just now, Litargirio said:

There is none, because nobody does that. Even the nearly 6 year old i7-2700K can run all the games at max settings with a good graphics card.

man im so confused just because i saw that as a reliable source of info, thanks for clearing it up though, so the 970 would be the thing that keeps me back if anything at all? 

[DunePilot]

1 minute ago, Wackojacko said:

hmm, you actually might be right man, just preparing for kaby lake now and just dealing with it untill then would be the better option i guess. investing in a 1070 at this time might be the better option if i want an upgrade, sell the 970 and get a 1070 since that difference in performance is probably bigger and the 1070 wont be outplayed by a new gpu that soon( im talking about new series not like 1080 or titan)

If you got a 4790 or 4790k you will be out $250-350 depending on new or used and what chip but you won't have your current stuff to sell, if you get a 7700k the chip will be the same but you'll have your DDR3, motherboard, and CPU to sell. So $350 for new or old... I would go with new. Now if you choose to upgrade your GPU too that's a whole other question, the 7700k should be able to handle any of the top tier GPUs for the next few years though, you could probably upgrade the GPU twice over the next 5 years and still have a nice gaming rig.

[Litargirio]

@DunePilot Mate Kabylake will have the same architecture as Skylake. Same IPC and same performance. No difference. No point in waiting.

[Wackojacko]

7 minutes ago, DunePilot said:

If you got a 4790 or 4790k you will be out $250-350 depending on new or used and what chip but you won't have your current stuff to sell, if you get a 7700k the chip will be the same but you'll have your DDR3, motherboard, and CPU to sell. So $350 for new or old... I would go with new. Now if you choose to upgrade your GPU too that's a whole other question, the 7700k should be able to handle any of the top tier GPUs for the next few years though, you could probably upgrade the GPU twice over the next 5 years and still have a nice gaming rig.

yea your argument ruled out the 4790 thought out of my mind completely man. but since im hearing more and more people saying that my 970 could be the problem, it might be worth it to get the 1070 now already since that seems to be a considerable boost in power

 

Edit: now im confused about kaby lake again. lol

[DunePilot]

Just now, Litargirio said:

@DunePilot Mate Kabylake will have the same architecture as Skylake. Same IPC and same performance. No difference. No point in waiting.

Same price, new chipset, new features, possibly an extra 200-300MHz on the top end on same voltage. No IPC difference but if you say no difference that just isn't true. That is like saying a 4.5GHz OC is equal to a 4.8GHz overclock. Not enough info is out yet but the info that is says that it is supposed to overclock better on same voltage. Also support for 3D X Point. He has waited this long, what is an extra 3 months gonna hurt.

 

His current system combo is great too anyways, his chip certainly isn't holding a 970 back. He could run a 1080 if he wanted to, you already mentioned that. So either way it sounds like he will be waiting for one or the other while he gets more money to upgrade both.

[Wackojacko]

thinking about it, waiting for kaby lake sounds more preferable to me, it might be based on the same as skylake is but it would mean that i have the newer hardware and there will certainly be new features that will improve my overall experience. yes i lack that boost in performance on the cpu side now, but all im hearing its only a small boost if i go to a 4790(k) right now, which might be the same when i switch to kaby lake but included in that will be some new features that may make the whole experience a bit better. that shifts my thoughts to upgrading the GPU now while setting aside the money in the coming 3 months for a kaby lake system when it drops.

[DunePilot]

3 minutes ago, Wackojacko said:

yea your argument ruled out the 4790 thought out of my mind completely man. but since im hearing more and more people saying that my 970 could be the problem, it might be worth it to get the 1070 now already since that seems to be a considerable boost in power

In gaming the new GPU will definitely give you the bigger boost, but a 7700k would be nice too if you end up wanting to upgrade both.... gaining twice as many threads,  a ~10% IPC boost clock to clock, plus much higher clock speeds, you are limited to now what... 3.4GHz... if you overclock your 7700k to 5GHz thats almost a 50% increase (5.1GHz would be a 50% increase) in clock speed... don't forget the IPC increase too.

[Litargirio]

1 hour ago, Wackojacko said:

it might be worth it to get the 1070 now already since that seems to be a considerable boost in power

Yes.

 

1 hour ago, DunePilot said:

If you got a 4790 or 4790k you will be out $250-350 depending on new or used and what chip but you won't have your current stuff to sell, if you get a 7700k the chip will be the same but you'll have your DDR3, motherboard, and CPU to sell. So $350 for new or old... I would go with new

Nonsense.

 

A used 4790K can be acquired for $200 if you are patient and find a good deal.

OP's 4690 can be sold for $175.

 

Meaning that CPU upgrade would cost $25, not $350.

[DunePilot]

4790k is a great processor, it overclocks high... lets just say 4.7GHz and has twice as many threads. Still a very nice chip, just barely behind a 6700k lets say... 7-12% just due to the IPC and DDR3. They make excellent rigs if you already have the rest. But if you think you can sell what you have now and get $200-250 then getting the newer stuff makes more sense to me. Now if you found a dirt cheap $200 4790k used then just for the savings it might be something to consider.