Radiator position effecting temperatures?

[Vegetable]

Hi all. Yeah just ordered a Source 210 today. Since I recently got another 650 Ti Boost for SLI, I realized I needed a bit more airflow, specifically to the GPU's. So I bought the cheapest thing I could find, which was the Source 210. I have a Kraken X61 and will be transferring it over into the new case. I will have to do some slightly ghetto (albeit cool) stuff to get it to "fit". Specifically, I will have to mount the two 140mm fans outside the case, route them in through any space I can find that is large enough, OR just cut a hole in the top and do it like that. Anyways, I know it will work because @Ryan Leech fit a Kraken X60 with the exact same fan placement into his Source 210. YES, the X60 is 25mm thick, and the X61 is 27mm thick, but looking at his build log as well as my motherboard heatsinks (the only the preventing me from mounting the fans inside the case in the first place) I think it will be fine. However, as of right now I'm running my X61 as an intake, meaning all of the air pulled through it is room temperature. With it mounted in the top as an exhaust, it will be pulling the heat from my overclocked 8350, hot ass motherboard, and 2 overclocked 650 Ti Boost's (they aren't very hot, top card barely hits 65*C), so obviously the air being pulled through the radiator won't be NEARLY as cool as room temperature air (my room stays at 65*F this time of year.) So how much of a temperature increase should I expect? From what I can find, looks like it shouldn't be more than 8*C-10*C. Answers/questions appreciated. Thanks

 

Expected questions:

Q: What case do you have right now?

A: NZXT S340

 

Q: What makes you think there's not enough airflow with temps like that?

A: Well, alone each card has a hard time hitting 55*C, and yes I understand 2 cards and heat rises so top card is hotter blah blah blah, but I can physically feel the bottom card pulling air in from the PCIe slot cover below it because it just doesn't get enough airflow from the 2 intake fans (which ARE on the radiator which hinders their effectiveness at moving air.)

 

Q: Why Source 210? It's a cheap and pretty ugly case tbh.

A: Airflow. Couldn't give less of a shit what it looks like. Bought FOUR 120mm fans for intake (2 in the front, one in the bottom, and most importantly one on the side panel by the cards.) ALSO, bought a fan controller that goes in the 5.25" bay which is the only use I could ever get out of one of those anyways.

 

Q: So you bought a older/cheaper/shitter version of the case you already have? 

A: Essentially, yeah. Airflow was the only thing I care about though, also my motherboard VRM's get toasty asf (70*C according to Aida64 and they are too hot to touch for more than a couple seconds) but that's still well within the limits (ASUS claims 90*C is 100% fine for the VRM's to be running at.)

 

(Probably won't add more as I will just directly respond to you.)

Thanks again. 

 

[Cereal5]

Fitting two 120mm fans in the bottom will be sketch, will probably only work with a 550W PSU or smaller because of length. yes, PSUs get physically longer the more wattage they are rated for

[Cereal5]

I also don't think i understand the question. are you asking how much hotter your CPU will be if you move the radiator from the fron intake to the top exhaust?

[DisconnectedYT]

CjX7FG9UYAEB4xo.jpg-largeAre you actually stupid (no offense).....

 

1) The S340 has MORE THEN ENOUGH air flow!!!!

2) The 650Ti is a pretty cool card and even with the second card it would hit maybe 80C at the most (which is normal)

3) If you seriously have to have so much airflow then get two intake fans like me, use your Radiator to pull air in through the top, use the GPU's to get air out of the case and also flip the PSU upside down and use it as another exaust fan. That WILL keep temps down and give a Positive air pressure.

(P.S that picture is off twitter so it downloaded as jpeg.large so idk why but you have to download it :c)

[Vegetable]

3 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

Fitting two 120mm fans in the bottom will be sketch, will probably only work with a 550W PSU or smaller because of length. yes, PSUs get physically longer the more wattage they are rated for

Nah just one in the bottom. I don't even think you can put 2 in the bottom of an S210. 

[Vegetable]

1 minute ago, Cereal5 said:

I also don't think i understand the question. are you asking how much hotter your CPU will be if you move the radiator from the fron intake to the top exhaust?

Yeah sorry about all the clutter in this post. All I'm really asking is how much of a temp increase should I expect from mounting my rad as an exhaust rather than an intake. 

[Cereal5]

Just now, Vegetable said:

Yeah sorry about all the clutter in this post. All I'm really asking is how much of a temp increase should I expect from mounting my rad as an exhaust rather than an intake. 

well, your CPU temps will increase exactly the difference between ambient (your room) and the inside of your PC. say if your room is say 19C and the inside of your case is 21C under idle, you'll see a 2C jump with it mounted as an exhaust. Under load if the inside reaches 27C, you'll see an 8C jump

 

HOWEVER. the inside of your PC will be hotter with your rad as an intake because its pushing hot CPU air into the case, and if theres jsut fans there it'll be pulling air directly from the room so the inside will be cooler just from that

 

what i'm trying to say is that if your intake fans ramp up accordingly with CPU temps, the biggest difference you'll see is 2-3C

[Vegetable]

2 minutes ago, DisconnectedYT said:

CjX7FG9UYAEB4xo.jpg-largeAre you actually stupid (no offense).....

 

1) The S340 has MORE THEN ENOUGH air flow!!!!

2) The 650Ti is a pretty cool card and even with the second card it would hit maybe 80C at the most (which is normal)

3) If you seriously have to have so much airflow then get two intake fans like me, use your Radiator to pull air in through the top, use the GPU's to get air out of the case and also flip the PSU upside down and use it as another exaust fan. That WILL keep temps down and give a Positive air pressure.

(P.S that picture is off twitter so it downloaded as jpeg.large so idk why but you have to download it :c)

I like to think of myself as creative moreso than stupid. But honestly the S340 totally has ENOUGH airflow, but not as much as I want. It's the best or nothing (that's why I run a 5 year old CPU and TWO 4 year old mid-range graphics cards.) The biggest thing for me aside from the whole radiator position question thing that everyone seems to avoid or not understand, was a fan right next to the cards themselves. Also the extra air will help keep my poor motherboard cool. I got sort of lucky in the fact that my 8350 only needs 1.46v to get 5Ghz stable. Some people need 1.55v, and by that time your VRM's are SCREAMING for mercy. 

[Vegetable]

Just now, Cereal5 said:

well, your CPU temps will increase exactly the difference between ambient (your room) and the inside of your PC. say if your room is say 19C and the inside of your case is 21C under idle, you'll see a 2C jump with it mounted as an exhaust. Under load if the inside reaches 27C, you'll see an 8C jump

 

HOWEVER. the inside of your PC will be hotter with your rad as an intake because its pushing hot CPU air into the case, and if theres jsut fans there it'll be pulling air directly from the room so the inside will be cooler just from that

 

what i'm trying to say is that if your intake fans ramp up accordingly with CPU temps, the biggest difference you'll see is 2-3C

That would be excellent. Makes good sense to me as well. IDK though, when I'm running Unigine Heaven AND Aida64 to absolutely max out temperatures across the board (as well as slay my electric bill) the top and rear exhaust fans blow out HOT air. I'm talking at least 10*F hotter than room temperature. So I'm worried, even with the extra airflow from a fuckton more unobstructed intake, the heat being produced and then being sucked through the rad will just make my CPU a little toasty. However in the most demanding game I play (GTA V) my CPU refuses to go above 45*C (not that it's a bad thing.)

[DisconnectedYT]

3 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I like to think of myself as creative moreso than stupid. But honestly the S340 totally has ENOUGH airflow, but not as much as I want. It's the best or nothing (that's why I run a 5 year old CPU and TWO 4 year old mid-range graphics cards.) The biggest thing for me aside from the whole radiator position question thing that everyone seems to avoid or not understand, was a fan right next to the cards themselves. Also the extra air will help keep my poor motherboard cool. I got sort of lucky in the fact that my 8350 only needs 1.46v to get 5Ghz stable. Some people need 1.55v, and by that time your VRM's are SCREAMING for mercy. 

with all te temps you stated

1) Every part will be well under the max temp range.

2) the VRM's are made to take alot of heat and if they arent made in china then they will be good enough.

3) The age of your parts doesnt matter? they are still PC parts and since DDR2 PC havent really changed much other then the X64 architexture and Quad Cores.

[Vegetable]

Just now, DisconnectedYT said:

with all te temps you stated

1) Every part will be well under the max temp range.

2) the VRM's are made to take alot of heat and if they arent made in china then they will be good enough.

3) The age of your parts doesnt matter? they are still PC parts and since DDR2 PC havent really changed much other then the X64 architexture and Quad Cores.

1) True, but I'm just too picky I suppose. Way back whenever the fuck I had my GTX 260, I had a fan curve on it that kept it below 70C at load, which if you know anything about those cards, is a very low temperature and FAR below the max safe temp.

2) Yeah I'll likely be fine. They're probably fine as is, I just hate seeing my PC run warm. Time to invest in a fish bowl and some mineral oil I suppose...

3) I was just making fun of myself. I know the age doesn't mean shit, especially since I clean my entire PC monthly as well as replace the thermal paste every year or so. I had just said "it's the BEST or nothing" which is ironic seeing as I run a FAR from amazing computer in ANY aspect. 

[DisconnectedYT]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

1) True, but I'm just too picky I suppose. Way back whenever the fuck I had my GTX 260, I had a fan curve on it that kept it below 70C at load, which if you know anything about those cards, is a very low temperature and FAR below the max safe temp.

2) Yeah I'll likely be fine. They're probably fine as is, I just hate seeing my PC run warm. Time to invest in a fish bowl and some mineral oil I suppose...

3) I was just making fun of myself. I know the age doesn't mean shit, especially since I clean my entire PC monthly as well as replace the thermal paste every year or so. I had just said "it's the BEST or nothing" which is ironic seeing as I run a FAR from amazing computer in ANY aspect. 

But i dont see how you can compaline about such high temps... i get 60C on my Intel Pentium G3258 at 4.8Ghz 1.7V and also thats with my coolers fan at 800RPM (if you need proof i can take a screenshot :3)

What is wrong with your cooler lol.

[Vegetable]

4 minutes ago, DisconnectedYT said:

But i dont see how you can compaline about such high temps... i get 60C on my Intel Pentium G3258 at 4.8Ghz 1.7V and also thats with my coolers fan at 800RPM (if you need proof i can take a screenshot :3)

What is wrong with your cooler lol.

Your wording here gave me a headache (no offense.) So, aside from the DUMB voltage you feed that poor pentium, all I got from that was "how can you complain about such high temps" and "what is wrong with you cooler?" And I'm not even sure how to respond to that. So are you saying my temps are good or bad?

[Andrew Storlie]

3 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

1) True, but I'm just too picky I suppose. Way back whenever the fuck I had my GTX 260, I had a fan curve on it that kept it below 70C at load, which if you know anything about those cards, is a very low temperature and FAR below the max safe temp.

2) Yeah I'll likely be fine. They're probably fine as is, I just hate seeing my PC run warm. Time to invest in a fish bowl and some mineral oil I suppose...

3) I was just making fun of myself. I know the age doesn't mean shit, especially since I clean my entire PC monthly as well as replace the thermal paste every year or so. I had just said "it's the BEST or nothing" which is ironic seeing as I run a FAR from amazing computer in ANY aspect. 

if i were you id spend less time and money trying to fix an issue that doesn't exist and put that into upgrading your set up, you want cooler temps, go intel i5 6600 with a b150 mb and a AIO and youll see crazy low temps, but you have to under stand that just throwing more air thru the case isnt going to help your temps at all, your limited to how much your heatsinks can pull out, every pc part as a heat delta that will never change, the only change will be how efficiently your heatsinks can draw heat away from the parts, as for chokes and mosfets they can hit over 200C usually before they die and i honestly dont see how they ever even reach that. the ONLY ONLY ONLY way your gonna get crazy low temps is having a HUGE HUGE cooling delta in the form of a custom loop with multiple pumps and rads, a chiller, or a phase change cooler... and you say best or nothing, then why arent you running LN2? you have to understand that pc parts heat up and there is NOTHING you can do about that. even if you ran mineral oil youd STILL have to have a pump and rad to keep the oil cooled as it would heat up over time. 

 

save your money, use it for new parts over wasting it on shit that wont help.

[Vegetable]

2 minutes ago, Andrew Storlie said:

if i were you id spend less time and money trying to fix an issue that doesn't exist and put that into upgrading your set up, you want cooler temps, go intel i5 6600 with a b150 mb and a AIO and youll see crazy low temps, but you have to under stand that just throwing more air thru the case isnt going to help your temps at all, your limited to how much your heatsinks can pull out, every pc part as a heat delta that will never change, the only change will be how efficiently your heatsinks can draw heat away from the parts, as for chokes and mosfets they can hit over 200C usually before they die and i honestly dont see how they ever even reach that. the ONLY ONLY ONLY way your gonna get crazy low temps is having a HUGE HUGE cooling delta in the form of a custom loop with multiple pumps and rads, a chiller, or a phase change cooler... and you say best or nothing, then why arent you running LN2? you have to understand that pc parts heat up and there is NOTHING you can do about that. even if you ran mineral oil youd STILL have to have a pump and rad to keep the oil cooled as it would heat up over time. 

 

save your money, use it for new parts over wasting it on shit that wont help.

If you can't already tell, my PC isn't about trying to go fast. Shit 4 months ago my PC contained a 4790k and a 390x. Here I sit now with an 8350 and SLI 650 Ti Boost's. Long ass story. For the longest time I wanted 2 graphics cards. Why? IDK I just did. Then my brother got me a 390X so I went with it. Wasn't happy. Too hot. Performed too well. Buying another one wasn't in my budget nor was my PSU ready for that at all. Traded for a 970 as those are cheap second hand. Realized I'm a poor boy and even another 970 was too much for me to afford. Sold it for $175, bought another 650 Ti Boost. Here I sit now. In a problem that isn't a problem whatsoever. Oh and the 8350/990FX thing? My best friend had it for a couple years. Wanted to upgrade as his 980 was getting bottlenecked quite a bit. I traded him my 4790k/Z97X SLI for his 8350/Sabertooth 990FX R2.0/$150. Ez

[Andrew Storlie]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

If you can't already tell, my PC isn't about trying to go fast. Shit 4 months ago my PC contained a 4790k and a 390x. Here I sit now with an 8350 and SLI 650 Ti Boost's. Long ass story. For the longest time I wanted 2 graphics cards. Why? IDK I just did. Then my brother got me a 390X so I went with it. Wasn't happy. Too hot. Performed too well. Buying another one wasn't in my budget nor was my PSU ready for that at all. Traded for a 970 as those are cheap second hand. Realized I'm a poor boy and even another 970 was too much for me to afford. Sold it for $175, bought another 650 Ti Boost. Here I sit now. In a problem that isn't a problem whatsoever. Oh and the 8350/990FX thing? My best friend had it for a couple years. Wanted to upgrade as his 980 was getting bottlenecked quite a bit. I traded him my 4790k/Z97X SLI for his 8350/Sabertooth 990FX R2.0/$150. Ez

well to start if your all about temps then getting an 8350 was just bad move. nothing bad about wanting sli, i just got my first sli set up that ive been saving for awhile for. but temps are temps, think about the temp it takes to melt silicon or any of the metals inside pc parts... but i honestly think your too impatient youve wasted ALOT of money buying and selling only to get older and slower parts, the point of having a single gpu like a 970 over 650ti's is that after a month or so you can save and buy a 2nd 970 even if that means just running a single gpu for awhile. now idk how old you are or how you make your money or how much you make, but shit takes time, take the slow route and plan your builds. im rocking a 6850k with titan xp's in sli, but i saved and planned this build for years. try and forget about temps. your computer will tell you if its getting to hot, they have thermal throttling built in for a reason. im folding on my titans and they each sit at about 85c on air, winter is coming, use the heat output to your advantage to lower your heating bills

[Vegetable]

3 minutes ago, Andrew Storlie said:

well to start if your all about temps then getting an 8350 was just bad move. nothing bad about wanting sli, i just got my first sli set up that ive been saving for awhile for. but temps are temps, think about the temp it takes to melt silicon or any of the metals inside pc parts... but i honestly think your too impatient youve wasted ALOT of money buying and selling only to get older and slower parts, the point of having a single gpu like a 970 over 650ti's is that after a month or so you can save and buy a 2nd 970 even if that means just running a single gpu for awhile. now idk how old you are or how you make your money or how much you make, but shit takes time, take the slow route and plan your builds. im rocking a 6850k with titan xp's in sli, but i saved and planned this build for years. try and forget about temps. your computer will tell you if its getting to hot, they have thermal throttling built in for a reason. im folding on my titans and they each sit at about 85c on air, winter is coming, use the heat output to your advantage to lower your heating bills

I fully understand I'm an idiot. Not even going to try and deny that. But honestly FX gets WAY more shit than it needs to. YES, it's old. Should anyone buy it? Not really, unless you're doing some scrapyard wars thing or you aren't pairing it with a GPU that needs a shitton of CPU horsepower with it. Anyways, this thing runs ICE COLD. My 4790k sat in the 50's during gaming (that includes CS:GO / GTA V / HOTS / DayZ), and this 8350 does that only during stress tests. In gaming it has a hard time getting into the 40's, and idle is high 20's-low 30's. My 4790k NEVER saw below 30*C. Keep in mind my 8350 is at 5Ghz as well. 

[Andrew Storlie]

2 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I fully understand I'm an idiot. Not even going to try and deny that. But honestly FX gets WAY more shit than it needs to. YES, it's old. Should anyone buy it? Not really, unless you're doing some scrapyard wars thing or you aren't pairing it with a GPU that needs a shitton of CPU horsepower with it. Anyways, this thing runs ICE COLD. My 4790k sat in the 50's during gaming (that includes CS:GO / GTA V / HOTS / DayZ), and this 8350 does that only during stress tests. In gaming it has a hard time getting into the 40's, and idle is high 20's-low 30's. My 4790k NEVER saw below 30*C. Keep in mind my 8350 is at 5Ghz as well. 

you have to keep in mind the 4790k is more powerful then the 8350, even at 5ghz... i ran my 8150 back when bulldozer first came out at 5ghz on a custom loop. more power = more heat. 

 

but lets start from the top as im completely lost... what exactly are you trying to do? or achieve? 

[Vegetable]

Just now, Andrew Storlie said:

you have to keep in mind the 4790k is more powerful then the 8350, even at 5ghz... i ran my 8150 back when bulldozer first came out at 5ghz on a custom loop. more power = more heat. 

 

but lets start from the top as im completely lost... what exactly are you trying to do? or achieve? 

oh lord. We have gone WAY off topic here. Basically having the radiator in the top acting as an exhaust will have the unfortunate side effect of the air moving through it being warmer than if it were a front intake pulling in air from the room. I'm just curious how much hotter my CPU will run since the radiator will be pulling warm air through it. 

[Andrew Storlie]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

oh lord. We have gone WAY off topic here. Basically having the radiator in the top acting as an exhaust will have the unfortunate side effect of the air moving through it being warmer than if it were a front intake pulling in air from the room. I'm just curious how much hotter my CPU will run since the radiator will be pulling warm air through it. 

your answer.....

 

 

 

[Vegetable]

Just now, Andrew Storlie said:

your answer.....

 

 

 

Nonono... The radiator will be on the top. As exhaust. So the air it will be intaking is effectively the heat of my entire system. I suspect it won't be too bad honestly, I was just curious as to what the forums had to say about it. 

[Andrew Storlie]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

Nonono... The radiator will be on the top. As exhaust. So the air it will be intaking is effectively the heat of my entire system. I suspect it won't be too bad honestly, I was just curious as to what the forums had to say about it. 

front, top, side, bottem... its all the same... you wont see any difference, simply mount a rad where ever it fits

 

[Vegetable]

6 minutes ago, Andrew Storlie said:

front, top, side, bottem... its all the same... you wont see any difference, simply mount a rad where ever it fits

 

That's basically what the internet has to say. Also to help ease my brain, there will be a 120mm rear exhaust also taking heat out of the system as well. 

[Cereal5]

30 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

That's basically what the internet has to say. Also to help ease my brain, there will be a 120mm rear exhaust also taking heat out of the system as well. 

so..... what I said an hour and a half ago lol you just decided to talk about it for a lot longer. Also, monitor your CPU temps with something like real temp or MSI afterburner (yes, its for GPUs but it has plenty of CPU info in it also), instead of saying "exhaust air is hot" well yeah. under max load, my 5820K puts out a lot of heat. but thats what CPUs do lol

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, DisconnectedYT said:

2) the VRM's are made to take alot of heat and if they arent made in china then they will be good enough.

 

No, they won't. THey will in general, but not when overclocking an FX 8350 to 9590's speeds. Yes, his motherboard is as good as it gets for the job, but it doesn't mean they won't be under stress, it just mean it won't catch fire (as other mobos would do).

 

OP, if you are OCing the 8350, I don't know whether your reported CPU temps will be 2 degrees higher or not by changing the radiator placement, but believe me, overall you will be better, not worse off by getting that hot air outside the case. So if your original concern was "will I do worse in terms of cooling due to the new arrangement?", other things equal, the answer is no.

 

Btw, the X60 is also 27mm thick as well, so it is more reassuring for your x61 plans.