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So my friend who, doesn't know much about computers, needs a new computer. He is coming from a Dell XPS 15 w/ (an i3 or i5) and a GT520 + 4gbs RAM. So he said he wants a computer that is upgradable in the future. A different friend, who thinks he knows better on computers (annoyance imo) makes this list. The computer is for Medium gaming, trying to max out games at the minimum amount of money. Now to explain his build, I talked to him about the SSD and I quote "He wants a faster start up," so that explains the ludicrous 60gb SSD overpriced junk. Here is my build. It should be self-explanatory of all the parts I picked. Otherwise feel free to make your own build that is relatively cheap with a Monitor just nothing over $600 please. Also I did do the APU way too, here is the build. Feel free for Intel or AMD or nVidia I'm not biased but my friends are, I can talk some sense into them about being non-biased but try for Intel and nVidia if possible. Thanks.

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No to A10, not very expandable which seems important to him. 

 

Probably better off with an AM3+ board and old Phenom, upgrade later to low end 8 core or 6300.

I just noticed you already have the motherboard, then an Athlon is the best choice. 

All of these builds share the same central issue of using that fecal infused gaming quality PSU.

 

the PSU?

I've seen my fair share of PSUs in my day, while I don't have particular knowledge of that exact PSU, experiences and common sense carries over. I can safely judge with good probability that that PSU is far less than stellar given it's price, generous ratings, and the 'CoolMax' brand.

Get a CX430 or something else that won't blow up. Never skimp on PSU especially if you can so help it.

Yes I get what your saying now but for upgradablity a 600w 80 Plus Bronze Semi-Modular with two 8-pins is good enough because the 7850 uses one 6 pin and a 7850 will crossfire on 16x/4x or whatever it is. Not familiar on AMD as much as I love their prices.

I still wouldn't risk it, but it's your and his call.

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All of these builds share the same central issue of using that fecal infused gaming quality PSU. 

This.

The problem with the APU build is you either shouldn't be getting a dedicated card or you should just be getting a regular CPU also the APU build has no storage and no front USB 3.0.

 

As for the Athlon build it has next to no storage, and RAM could be slightly cheaper.

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No to A10, not very expandable which seems important to him. 

 

Probably better off with an AM3+ board and old Phenom, upgrade later to low end 8 core or 6300.

 

All of these builds share the same central issue of using that fecal infused gaming quality PSU. 

The problem going AM3+ is that he needs to pay for a new motherboard, which he already has the MSI one in the build. And excuse me for asking what do you mean about the PSU?

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Why only Amazon?

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No to A10, not very expandable which seems important to him. 

 

Probably better off with an AM3+ board and old Phenom, upgrade later to low end 8 core or 6300.

I just noticed you already have the motherboard, then an Athlon is the best choice. 

All of these builds share the same central issue of using that fecal infused gaming quality PSU.

I've seen my fair share of PSUs in my day, while I don't have particular knowledge of that exact PSU, experiences and common sense carries over. I can safely judge with good probability that that PSU is far less than stellar given it's price, generous ratings, and the 'CoolMax' brand.

Get a CX430 or something else that won't blow up. Never skimp on PSU especially if you can so help it.

Yes I get what your saying now but for upgradablity a 600w 80 Plus Bronze Semi-Modular with two 8-pins is good enough because the 7850 uses one 6 pin and a 7850 will crossfire on 16x/4x or whatever it is. Not familiar on AMD as much as I love their prices.

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This.

The problem with the APU build is you either shouldn't be getting a dedicated card or you should just be getting a regular CPU also the APU build has no storage and no front USB 3.0.

 

As for the Athlon build it has next to no storage, and RAM could be slightly cheaper.

He has an old HDD. Yeah its not smart but to save money. It's not like he has important documents. USB 3.0 isn't a problem either. The Dedicated card is for X-Fire with the A10 but I doubt he wants that build.

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Yes I get what your saying now but for upgradablity a 600w 80 Plus Bronze Semi-Modular with two 8-pins is good enough because the 7850 uses one 6 pin and a 7850 will crossfire on 16x/4x or whatever it is. Not familiar on AMD as much as I love their prices.

You won't be able to upgrade if that craptastic PSU decides to throw a fit and destroys all of your components. (Just because its certified and modular doesn't mean it is good.)

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A corsair CX430/CX500 would fit the budget

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/power-supply/#m=11&sort=a7

I picked out the CX600 because X-Firing HD 7850 + a 760k OC'ed to 4.6GHz w/ 1.5v (Known from past experience i know it varies but just for a marker) uses about 560-watts

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Personal preference never had any problems, Amazon Prime, also don't really prefer Newegg. I like Newegg just that I have Prime thats all.

Better: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OyWR

Crossfire ready. Bump down to a cx430 if you don't plan to CF.

Fyi, a single oc'ed 7770 will perform better than any hybrid CF

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So my friend who, doesn't know much about computers, needs a new computer. He is coming from a Dell XPS 15 w/ (an i3 or i5) and a GT520 + 4gbs RAM. So he said he wants a computer that is upgradable in the future. A different friend, who thinks he knows better on computers (annoyance imo) makes this list. The computer is for Medium gaming, trying to max out games at the minimum amount of money. Now to explain his build, I talked to him about the SSD and I quote "He wants a faster start up," so that explains the ludicrous 60gb SSD overpriced junk. Here is my build. It should be self-explanatory of all the parts I picked. Otherwise feel free to make your own build that is relatively cheap with a Monitor just nothing over $600 please. Also I did do the APU way too, here is the build. Feel free for Intel or AMD or nVidia I'm not biased but my friends are, I can talk some sense into them about being non-biased but try for Intel and nVidia if possible. Thanks.

While fast start up is nice you should not get a ssd when you only have $600. 60gb is not enough for games, programs, etc. 

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While fast start up is nice you should not get a ssd when you only have $600. 60gb is not enough for games, programs, etc.

Okay my friend is arguing that the SSD is just for boot nothing else. Anyone care to explain why 60gb is dumb and the extra $30 for 60 more gigs is better even though it is a budget build?

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Okay my friend is arguing that the SSD is just for boot nothing else. Anyone care to explain why 60gb is dumb and the extra $30 for 60 more gigs is better even though it is a budget build?

Well first off you NEED a hdd for storage like games, programs, really anything. Again a fast start up is nice but a ssd is going to hinder performance in other fields like the gpu/cpu. 120Gb is NOT enough space for a computer in todays day and age! Since you waste money on a ssd then you have to save money somewhere and usually the first place you go to is your CPU and GPU. Here is what I say you get. You don't have to take my advice but I suggest you do. And many people would agree with me.

 
 
CPU:  AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($79.98 @ Outlet PC) 
Motherboard:  MSI FM2-A85XA-G65 ATX FM2 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory:  PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.96 @ Outlet PC) 
Video Card:  Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 
Wireless Network Adapter:  TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($18.97 @ Mwave) 
Case:  NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($35.94 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan:  Antec 75120 79.0 CFM 120mm  Fan  ($6.76 @ Mwave) 
Power Supply:  Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply  ($44.99 @ Microcenter) 
Monitor:  Hannspree HE225DPB 21.5" Monitor  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $556.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Okay my friend is arguing that the SSD is just for boot nothing else. Anyone care to explain why 60gb is dumb and the extra $30 for 60 more gigs is better even though it is a budget build?

It really depends on the person and how much space they need. 60GB is usually enough to someone who can organize well.

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It really depends on the person and how much space they need. 60GB is usually enough to someone who can organize well.

Yes organize extremely well and have good internet because if you want to play games you will have to delete and download games all the time. 

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Yes organize extremely well and have good internet because if you want to play games you will have to delete and download games all the time. 

You're not supposed to put your games on the ssd..

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Exactly. If you only have a ssd then you have no other choice. That is why I was saying to just go with a HDD now and a SSD later.

He has a HDD, a used one...My friend (the one that im arguing against call him friend #1) says that he'll force Friend #2 (the guy getting the computer) to upgrade but Friend #2 has parents that would flip their crap if he upgraded. Friend #2 wants an up-gradable computer vs Friend #1 wants to cheap out on everything and make Friend #2 upgrade later on so he says a 60gb SSD is great for a gamer, yeah. Also Friend #2 and I quote, would rather spend more money on an SSD than a better graphics card for a gaming system. Idiotic IMO. I on the other hand want the best parts possible, Friend #1 is saying a cheap PSU right now (80 Plus) and upgrade later on. So this is more of a personal dispute and rant, but just to put that out there. Opinions?

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You're not supposed to put your games on the ssd..

Just the OS will that be enough? 60gbs? But mostly is it even worth it I don't think it is but the friend I'm arguing against says $30 more for 60gbs more (SSD) is not worth it. Obviously it is. Friend is stubborn can't really change his mind on things.

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Just the OS will that be enough? 60gbs? But mostly is it even worth it I don't think it is but the friend I'm arguing against says $30 more for 60gbs more (SSD) is not worth it. Obviously it is. Friend is stubborn can't really change his mind on things.

I personally would NOT buy a ssd with a budget of $600. I didn't even buy a ssd when I got a $1000 rig. I am just now 6 months later buying a ssd. My 7200rpm toshiba 1tb HDD has done just fine. For me I prefer gaming power over boot up speed.

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