First gaming pc build

[Guest]

Hi,

if you want to skip the boring stuff,   read under the line

 

 

This is my first post on linustechtips because i have some questions about my first ever pc, and pc build (i am used to laptop).

I didnt know where to post this as i have alot of questions about stuff so i want to make sure i can be buying the best for the cheapest.

 

I want the computer to perform fps games well and  also want to do some work on it but i dont think i need anything intensive for work as i would be mostly using microsoft office, (word/powerpoint/ occasional IT programs like python if i need it for my education).

 

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I have a budget to buy a pc, monitor, keyboard/mouse, etc for 500£ max.  right now im thinking 400£ for the computer.

I want a computer which would be good for mostly gaming ( i play shooters and fps games like csgo,overwatch. i am interested in getting other games too, as i also have ark.)   

 

1.I NEED the computer to last me up to 4/5 years so idk if i should overclock the graphics card or not and if i am i may not overclock alot so is there any different card i should look for with a high starting clock speed?.

 

2.I was thinking about getting a Graphics card, and i notice that all graphic chipsets ((i think) geforce gtx for example) have different manufacturers such as msi,evga,asus. Is there any difference to the manufacturers card or should i just go for the cheapest manufacturing card for the chipset???

 

3. I live in UK, and lowest price for a GTX 950 card is £130.  however there is a GTX 960 for only 10£ more so £140.  I havent found many guides comparing both so should i just go for the GTX 960 as it is very little more?? 

 

4. I am  scared about bottlenecking so i dont really understand much,  Currently i am thinking of getting an AMD FX-6300 for £83, would i be bottlenecking at all??

 

4b. Some motherboards i choose have this error i recieved on pcpartpicker   "Some AMD 970 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Vishera CPUs". What do i need to fix this and what part do i need to change for this to be good?

 

If i need any more questions answered i will try to edit the topic if that option is available.

 

Thank you for your time reading and i hope to expect some helpful answers

Thanks again

 

 

 

[SLAYR]

The fx 6300 is outdated, try to fit in an i3 6100, and. 960 isn't worth it now, go for a rx 470/480 or gtx 1060.

[paps511]

Look for something on the second hand market to make your budget stretch,

It may be tough to get the computer, monitor and peripherals for only 500L~ AND make it last 4-5 years...

[Guest]

1 hour ago, paps511 said:

Look for something on the second hand market to make your budget stretch,

It may be tough to get the computer, monitor and peripherals for only 500L~ AND make it last 4-5 years...

Why would it be hard to make it last 4-5 years?? im not going against your opinion, i just want to know why it may not.

Also, if i am buying second hand parts, wouldn't the part be in a worse condition and i would be better paying extra for it to be new??

[Guest]

1 hour ago, SLAYR said:

The fx 6300 is outdated, try to fit in an i3 6100, and. 960 isn't worth it now, go for a rx 470/480 or gtx 1060.

Is there any similar models to the i3 6100 in amd, which isnt outdated??  Because intel is supposed to cost alot more than amd and im sort of on a budget, Thank you for letting me know though.

 

Also, why isnt the GTX 960 worth it right now?? 

Also is there anyway i could get an i3 6100 + gtx 1060 in same budget pc?? or should i go for an rx 470/480?

 

Thanks

[Ru5h]

The 1060 is a bit faster than the RX 480 (10% according to this site http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060/3634vs3639) But is £40 to £50 less. and an rx 470 is not that far off a rx 480, and is bound to be less than a 480. btw for reference the 1060 is on par with, or a little bit less powerful than a 980.

 

the amd FX 6300 has not got a built in GPU ( the unlocked version this is btw) and has a clock speed lower than that of the i3 6100

 

if you're worried about bottlenecks look at this

 The i3 is also newer.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-6100-vs-AMD-FX-6300 

[Ru5h]

Also, I have a gtx 960 and i am thinking of a new pc, mainly because a gtx 960 is not as good as it used to be, not because its weak in its performance, but because it is older, and there are better budget GPUS now. 

[Ru5h]

Sorry, I didn't mean to post so much

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ru5h said:

The 1060 is a bit faster than the RX 480 (10% according to this site http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060/3634vs3639) But is £40 to £50 less. and an rx 470 is not that far off a rx 480, and is bound to be less than a 480. btw for reference the 1060 is on par with, or a little bit less powerful than a 980.

 

the amd FX 6300 has not got a built in GPU ( the unlocked version this is btw) and has a clock speed lower than that of the i3 6100

 

if you're worried about bottlenecks look at this

 The i3 is also newer.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-6100-vs-AMD-FX-6300 

Thank you!

I guess i wont be getting the amd fx 6300 anymore.

 

One thing because you seem to know alot about all this stuff.  Why does the same graphics card(Geforce), have different manufacturers (MSI, Asus, etc) and is there any difference between which i choose or should i just go for the cheapest one?

Thanks

[Guest]

This probably dont matter as their are different Memorys out there but the  G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory is not compatible with the Intel core i3 6100.

[Misinthe]

54 minutes ago, vbest said:

Thank you!

I guess i wont be getting the amd fx 6300 anymore.

 

One thing because you seem to know alot about all this stuff.  Why does the same graphics card(Geforce), have different manufacturers (MSI, Asus, etc) and is there any difference between which i choose or should i just go for the cheapest one?

Thanks

Nvidia makes the chips and sends them out to the manufacturers, that's why there's different cards, Asus buys Nvidia chips and makes their versions, MSI buys Nvidia chips and makes their own cards, usually they're the same in terms of specs, what differs is that some come clocked higher or have better cooling or other extras like that. 

[Misinthe]

57 minutes ago, vbest said:

Thank you!

I guess i wont be getting the amd fx 6300 anymore.

 

One thing because you seem to know alot about all this stuff.  Why does the same graphics card(Geforce), have different manufacturers (MSI, Asus, etc) and is there any difference between which i choose or should i just go for the cheapest one?

Thanks

Nvidia makes the chips and sends them out to the manufacturers, that's why there's different cards, Asus buys Nvidia chips and makes their versions, MSI buys Nvidia chips and makes their own cards, usually they're the same in terms of specs, what differs is that some come clocked higher or have better cooling or other extras like that. 

 

Edit: it posted double sorry, also for the i3 6100 you need DDR4 memory. 

[Misinthe]

This about as the cheapest you could go and it doesn't even have GPU or peripherals. It's hard to get everything for that price. 

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/gV3Q6X

[paps511]

3 hours ago, vbest said:

Why would it be hard to make it last 4-5 years?? im not going against your opinion, i just want to know why it may not.

Also, if i am buying second hand parts, wouldn't the part be in a worse condition and i would be better paying extra for it to be new??

It is usually the higher end parts that last the longest in terms of usefulness, especially in gaming, so with a limited budget, the parts you would be getting would be mid-level "current" which would become low-end future.

As for second had parts, no. Linus did a video about it a few months ago, and SOME parts (hard drives, weird PSU) do degrade over time, most parts (CPU GPU ram) do NOT get effected by age. 

[paps511]

 

[W-L]

-Moved to New Builds and Planning- 

[Ru5h]

If I'm perfectly honest, you're better off saving more money to buy a better product. 

[hoodyracoon]

this is for us pricing but you can look at my cheap ebay build guide and see if the prices make sense where you live, for example in the battlefield 1 beta i get a Min of 70FPS, Max of 119, and a Avg of 89.072 for the ultra preset on my Dell t3500 w/t a w3550 and a gtx 970, the total computer cost under 400$ us and it could be built cheaper for the same price now that the 480 exists

 

[Guest]

On 01/09/2016 at 11:26 PM, Miguel552 said:

Nvidia makes the chips and sends them out to the manufacturers, that's why there's different cards, Asus buys Nvidia chips and makes their versions, MSI buys Nvidia chips and makes their own cards, usually they're the same in terms of specs, what differs is that some come clocked higher or have better cooling or other extras like that. 

 

On 01/09/2016 at 11:26 PM, Miguel552 said:

Nvidia makes the chips and sends them out to the manufacturers, that's why there's different cards, Asus buys Nvidia chips and makes their versions, MSI buys Nvidia chips and makes their own cards, usually they're the same in terms of specs, what differs is that some come clocked higher or have better cooling or other extras like that. 

 

Edit: it posted double sorry, also for the i3 6100 you need DDR4 memory. 

Thanks man, i understand it better now

On 01/09/2016 at 11:47 PM, Miguel552 said:

This about as the cheapest you could go and it doesn't even have GPU or peripherals. It's hard to get everything for that price. 

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/gV3Q6X

thanks for draft, also i dont think peripherals were included in 400£ budget for comp

[Guest]

On 02/09/2016 at 0:11 AM, paps511 said:

It is usually the higher end parts that last the longest in terms of usefulness, especially in gaming, so with a limited budget, the parts you would be getting would be mid-level "current" which would become low-end future.

As for second had parts, no. Linus did a video about it a few months ago, and SOME parts (hard drives, weird PSU) do degrade over time, most parts (CPU GPU ram) do NOT get effected by age. 

Thank you for help

If i was to play the same kinds of games, it wouldnt be a problem if it became low end in future right? because i just really want to run overwatch and csgo mostly at high fps 

 

Also, is there any risk when buying in second hand that the product could be faulty and not work?

[Guest]

I know this is 450£ instead of 400£ but is this a good build??

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KZYDqk

 

Also, from what i know

 

AMD processors are usually cheaper than Intel processors so does the same apply for AMD GPUs (rx 470 eg(idek))  and Nvidia GPUs?

I hope that makes sense

[Guest]

On 02/09/2016 at 3:44 AM, Ru5h said:

If I'm perfectly honest, you're better off saving more money to buy a better product. 

i would probably only be running games which are well optimized like overwatch and csgo so would it make a difference if i needed to buy a better product

[Guest]

On 02/09/2016 at 5:48 AM, hoodyracoon said:

this is for us pricing but you can look at my cheap ebay build guide and see if the prices make sense where you live, for example in the battlefield 1 beta i get a Min of 70FPS, Max of 119, and a Avg of 89.072 for the ultra preset on my Dell t3500 w/t a w3550 and a gtx 970, the total computer cost under 400$ us and it could be built cheaper for the same price now that the 480 exists

 

i dont have the best knowledge with computers and it was sort of difficult to know what i needed in your post, sorry

[Ru5h]

Get a an RX 470

[hoodyracoon]

1 hour ago, vbest said:

i dont have the best knowledge with computers and it was sort of difficult to know what i needed in your post, sorry

it was just a list of Cheap computers that can get the job done for gaming, listed from oldest to newest cpu socket, 1366(oldest cpu socket that can still play current games), 1155(second oldest), 2011 (R) (third oldest). i put ebay links for everything on that post, all you would need to do is add a gpu in your budget and you would be golden. alot of the ebay sellers sell internationally, so for for example you could get together a pc minus the gpu, that could play overwatch at 1080p Ultra with 100-140 fps(no AA)(depends on the map) for around 100 euro(euro is around 0.90 to the USD) then use the rest of the budget to get a good gpu, you could definitely get a RX480/GTX1060 or go for a GTX 1070 even.