CPUs progressing very slowly?

[SauronsV]

I was looking at some videos on youtube and stuff comparing FPS on multiple CPUs on the same GPU and it seems that CPUs aren't getting that much better in terms of FPS in games. The i5 2500k can still compete with i5 6600k and it came out 5 years ago.... Do you think it will continue like this? Apparently the new GTX 1080 also can get a  bit bottlenecked even by the i5 6600k.

 

Thoughts?

[NoRomanBatmansAllowed]

3 minutes ago, SauronsV said:

I was looking at some videos on youtube and stuff comparing FPS on multiple CPUs on the same GPU and it seems that CPUs aren't getting that much better in terms of FPS in games. The i5 2500k can still compete with i5 6600k and it came out 5 years ago.... Do you think it will continue like this? Apparently the new GTX 1080 also can get a  bit bottlenecked even by the i5 6600k.

 

Thoughts?

Well, Intel said they weren't going to make any faster chips after ending tick tock so....

Guess gamers are screwed?

[Verseus]

4 minutes ago, SauronsV said:

I was looking at some videos on youtube and stuff comparing FPS on multiple CPUs on the same GPU and it seems that CPUs aren't getting that much better in terms of FPS in games. The i5 2500k can still compete with i5 6600k and it came out 5 years ago.... Do you think it will continue like this? Apparently the new GTX 1080 also can get a  bit bottlenecked even by the i5 6600k.

 

Thoughts?

Well, the 2500k is actually inferior to the 6600k by quite a lot. There are things you can do to help the 2500k (i.e higher speed memory + O.C) but it is showing its age. And whether or not the 1080 is bottlenecked will be determined by your resolution. An i5 4690k (overclocked) at 1080p will bottleneck a 1070. This can be a problem if you are trying to go for ~100 FPS gaming. But if you are in 1440p or 4k, the bottle neck shifts back to the GPU. I believe that as 1440p  and Vulcan / DX12 become the next standards, the importance of beefy CPU's will diminish.

[007agentHP]

its what happens when theres no competition

AMD can no longer compete.

intel is geting comfy releasing new chips with 5% improvement every year.

our only hope is ZEN. to hope it'll at least match haswell and a much lower price. that'll give intel the kick in the pants to get running

[arvark]

We're depending on AMD... And no, no i5 from 2nd gen will bottleneck the GTX 1080.

[Imakuni]

6 minutes ago, SauronsV said:

I was looking at some videos on youtube and stuff comparing FPS on multiple CPUs on the same GPU and it seems that CPUs aren't getting that much better in terms of FPS in games. The i5 2500k can still compete with i5 6600k and it came out 5 years ago.... Do you think it will continue like this? Apparently the new GTX 1080 also can get a  bit bottlenecked even by the i5 6600k.

 

Thoughts?

That's because:

1. We don't even make use of the available processing power. Games aren't well coded; I'm yet to see games using AVX, for example. Or fully utilize multiple cores, rather than rellying on a single one + a few extra to help. Not to blame the devs, coding is hard as ballz. But the day we start making use of what's already there, THEN we'll have leaps and bounds.
2. GPU is where it's at. Not much point in investing into CPUs if GPUs are still the major area of growth, and the one that benefits it the most too!
3. Gaming is not a very important market section. Mobile is where it's at for the masses. Or HPC. Gamers are just a bonus.
4. No competition.

[NoRomanBatmansAllowed]

I'm actually considering buying a 6700k for ~20 bucks cheaper than retail. Should I do it or wait for ZEN?

[SauronsV]

3 minutes ago, Verseus said:

Well, the 2500k is actually inferior to the 6600k by quite a lot. There are things you can do to help the 2500k (i.e higher speed memory + O.C) but it is showing its age. And whether or not the 1080 is bottlenecked will be determined by your resolution. An i5 4690k (overclocked) at 1080p will bottleneck a 1070. This can be a problem if you are trying to go for ~100 FPS gaming. But if you are in 1440p or 4k, the bottle neck shifts back to the GPU. I believe that as 1440p  and Vulcan / DX12 become the next standards, the importance of beefy CPU's will diminish.

So if you have a good GPU, increasing the resolution can decrease the amount of bottleneck? Guess I might go to 1440p sooner than I thought 

[Verseus]

3 minutes ago, arvark said:

We're depending on AMD... And no, no i5 from 2nd gen will bottleneck the GTX 1080.

Depends on the resolution, but I do believe it is more than reasonable to expect that someone who has $700+ for a GPU won't be playing at 1080p.

[TheRandomness]

4 minutes ago, arvark said:

We're depending on AMD... And no, no i5 from 2nd gen will bottleneck the GTX 1080.

At least an i7-6700k is needed to not bottleneck a 1080. A 2nd gen i5 will bottleneck heavily.

[arvark]

What? No, just no. Won't bottleneck on 1080p...! The 980 Ti didn't, and it's just a bit less powerful.

[Verseus]

1 minute ago, SauronsV said:

So if you have a good GPU, increasing the resolution can decrease the amount of bottleneck? Guess I might go to 1440p sooner than I thought 

Yes. It requires about 2x the power to render games in 1440p, as it has 2x the pixels. It causes the GPU to work much harder, and the bottleneck is shifted.

[arvark]

3 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

At least an i7-6700k is needed to not bottleneck a 1080. A 2nd gen i5 will bottleneck heavily.

You crazy dude?

[TheRandomness]

1 minute ago, arvark said:

You crazy dude?

No. @don_svetlio has evidence iirc.

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, arvark said:

You crazy dude?

I've posted a topic in the CPU forum today - benchmarks showing a 4690K bottlenecking a 1070

[arvark]

Link please?

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, arvark said:

Link please?

Video shows a 25% bottleneck

[Verseus]

This shows a 4690k (OC) bottle necking a 1070 (@ 1080p 144Hz)

 

[arvark]

Would an i7 3770/k eliminate the bottleneck?

[Verseus]

3 minutes ago, arvark said:

Would an i7 3770/k eliminate the bottleneck?

Likely not (at 1080p anyway), but maybe someone has already tested it. That is why so many are hopeful for Zen, because what we are hearing now is that Zen has the single core performance of Haswell, but with 8 cores and 16 threads. This would help in a huge way.

[don_svetlio]

5 minutes ago, arvark said:

Would an i7 3770/k eliminate the bottleneck?

A OCed 3770K sure. A stock 3770 might still be a bottleneck for the 1080. Not sure about the 1070

[don_svetlio]

Also - a 2500K will be an enormous bottleneck for a 1070 - to the point where a 960 performs closely to it

[arvark]

Now it's gettin' me worried... I wanna buy a 1070... But I don't know if to buy a 3770/k and OC it a bit, or if to wait for Zen.

[Verseus]

2 minutes ago, arvark said:

Now it's gettin' me worried... I wanna buy a 1070... But I don't know if to buy a 3770/k and OC it a bit, or if to wait for Zen.

I would personally wait. If you can hold out for a few months with what you have, I would do so. If you can't, then go ahead. A 3770k on ebay isn't cheap. The ones I am seeing are at ~$270 USD. If Zen lives up to what they have said, it should outperform that easily for the same price.

[arvark]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Also - a 2500K will be an enormous bottleneck for a 1070 - to the point where a 960 performs closely to it

960? I have a GTX 970 with an 3570 which is only slightly more powerful and it hits 99% no problem...