i3 or FX?

[don_svetlio]

5 hours ago, CodenameScorpion said:

To everyone who is saying "Get an i5" I CANNOT afford this for months, I'm just seeing what the communities's response is to what I purchase.

 

Then get a 2nd hand Haswell i5

[tarfeef101]

On 6/30/2016 at 0:23 PM, don_svetlio said:

 

Actually no. FX 6350 beats the i3 6100 and FX 6300 matches it. You see, games are using more and more cores and are now demanding 4 threads as minimum. i3s are barely cutting it and a OCed 6350 with the Wraith Cooler bundle blows them away.

Thread by thread man. I explicitly talked about IPC, in which case Intel clearly wins. Regardless AMD still isn't a viable option right now if the OP wants to upgrade down the road. Zen is on a different platform, and nothing else AMD offers is worthy of upgrading to. Only viable as a budget option that will be used for the entire life of that PC. If the OP wants to upgrade soon, then an i3 or i5 is a good stepping stone to a better K-series in a year or so, because the 4690K, 4790K and beyond that are actually still viable, competitive high-end chips. 

[Morgan MLGman]

6 minutes ago, tarfeef101 said:

Thread by thread man. I explicitly talked about IPC, in which case Intel clearly wins. Regardless AMD still isn't a viable option right now if the OP wants to upgrade down the road. Zen is on a different platform, and nothing else AMD offers is worthy of upgrading to. Only viable as a budget option that will be used for the entire life of that PC. If the OP wants to upgrade soon, then an i3 or i5 is a good stepping stone to a better K-series in a year or so, because the 4690K, 4790K and beyond that are actually still viable, competitive high-end chips. 

 

On 30.06.2016 at 7:37 PM, Vortez said:

i3-6100 is way better choice than FX!

Did you even read what Prysin said about the i3-6100?

[tarfeef101]

10 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

 

Did you even read what Prysin said about the i3-6100?

Yes, I did. I simply wanted to set what I said straight independent of the decision the OP made. If you are trying to insinuate that my opinions are incorrect, I would like to point out that I didn't recommend an i3 explicity, as I know an i5 would be a much better option for a marginal cost increase.

[don_svetlio]

1 hour ago, tarfeef101 said:

Yes, I did. I simply wanted to set what I said straight independent of the decision the OP made. If you are trying to insinuate that my opinions are incorrect, I would like to point out that I didn't recommend an i3 explicity, as I know an i5 would be a much better option for a marginal cost increase.

Honestly - i5s are good with everything up to a 980/Fury. After that you need an i7 to have no bottlenecks.

 

1 hour ago, tarfeef101 said:

Thread by thread man. I explicitly talked about IPC, in which case Intel clearly wins. Regardless AMD still isn't a viable option right now if the OP wants to upgrade down the road. Zen is on a different platform, and nothing else AMD offers is worthy of upgrading to. Only viable as a budget option that will be used for the entire life of that PC. If the OP wants to upgrade soon, then an i3 or i5 is a good stepping stone to a better K-series in a year or so, because the 4690K, 4790K and beyond that are actually still viable, competitive high-end chips. 

I agree that Intel CPUs are generally superior when talking i5s and i7s BUT i3s are not as potent, especially in multi-core. Even the Skylake 6100 gets it's ass handed to it by a 6350/8300 in DX12 games and MC workloads due to the better scaling overall more horsepower that FX have. Basically - if he wants old 2002 games then i3. If he wants 2016 games FX 6350. If he wants to upgrade - Intel. If he wants best value now AMD.

As for high-end - 4690K is mid-range, 4790K is lower high end.  The actual high end Intel chips are X99

[Kyle2202]

Probably been suggested already... But grab the i3 and the rx 480...if you can afford it get a z170 board so that you can upgrade to a k series in the future

[don_svetlio]

6 hours ago, Kyle2202 said:

Probably been suggested already... But grab the i3 and the rx 480...if you can afford it get a z170 board so that you can upgrade to a k series in the future

That is the single worst idea possible - the i3 will be a major bottleneck and the money spent on the Z170 board would easily allow for a locked i5

[Kyle2202]

53 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

That is the single worst idea possible - the i3 will be a major bottleneck and the money spent on the Z170 board would easily allow for a locked i5

Gotta think about the future vs the now...you'd be surprised with the i3

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Kyle2202 said:

Gotta think about the future vs the now...you'd be surprised with the i3

Not really, no. Intel CPUs are no miracle children - i3s bottleneck anything above a 380X and i5s bottleneck anything above a 980/Fury

[Kyle2202]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Not really, no. Intel CPUs are no miracle children - i3s bottleneck anything above a 380X and i5s bottleneck anything above a 980/Fury

So he's bottlenecked for now till he can upgrade in the future to a i5 or 7 series k model and then he's good for a few years after that and kaby lake will be on the same platform

[don_svetlio]

11 minutes ago, Kyle2202 said:

So he's bottlenecked for now till he can upgrade in the future to a i5 or 7 series k model and then he's good for a few years after that and kaby lake will be on the same platform

Or... he could buy a locked i5 with a cheaper board and save 300$ and upgrade to Zen/Cannon Lake as Skylake i5s already bottleneck 1080s, 1070s, 980 Tis, Titan Xs and Fury Xs

[Sintezza]

On 30-6-2016 at 7:22 PM, Alexokan said:

I always hear, "spend most of your budget in the GPU".

 

I wish I didn't take this advice. 

 

Buying a proper CPU can last you YEARS, while a proper GPU usually dates within 2 years time. 

 

Spend more money and get a skylake i5, and be happy for the foreseeable future. 

 

Thats indeed not the best advice to give to people who are on a certain budget.

You need to build a balanced system, with a cpu and gpu that match pretty well together.

I mean buying a GTX1070 or GTX1080 and pair it with a core i3 or Athlon 860K or whatever isnt going to make any sense.

[Sintezza]

Also dual core cpu´s for gaming today dont realy make a whole lot of sense to me.

They are pretty much stressed to the max all the time, and that will result in stutter in certain games.

By even the smallest interupt from a back ground process of the OS.

 

FX6300 is definitely not a bad choice on a budget.

It will perform totaly fine with a matching midrange gpu.

Most people allways look at the raw fps chart data, but that doesnt allways tell the whole story.

Its better to pick an i5 if you could of course.

I have exaly played arround with a Haswell core i3, and for anyday standard usage in windows it felt way snappier to me then my own FX8350, and that is logic because of better ipc and single threaded performance.

However wenn it came to gaming, it was just a horrible experiance in certain games.

 

@Prysin 

 

 

[tarfeef101]

So can we all just agree an i5-6500 or something similar would be the best option, considering he needs 4 cores and upgradability NOW?

[Prysin]

4 hours ago, tarfeef101 said:

So can we all just agree an i5-6500 or something similar would be the best option, considering he needs 4 cores and upgradability NOW?

How long until OP can afford "next" upgrade?

If less then 9-12 months until OP can afford an upgrade - i5 6500

If more then 9-12 months until OP can afford an upgrade - FX 6350***

 

why?

Because the 6350 comes with an amazing cooler (Wraith), that is equal to a Hyper 212 Evo (single fan).

This fan will ALSO work in ZEN sockets. Meaning when ZEN "mainstream" releases next summer (Only Enthusiast segment 8 core 16 thread is coming this year), then you have the option to choose between ZEN and Kaby lake. On the good side, you saved some money going for FX 6350 over i5, as it is cheaper. On the bad side, you had worse FPS. On the positive side, you now have a good cooler for ZEN. And an "ZEN i5" or whatever eqiuvalent AMD will make, will then have a damn good cooler that should EASILY handle a good overclock.

[ItsTurbo]

On 7/4/2016 at 4:28 PM, don_svetlio said:

Honestly - i5s are good with everything up to a 980/Fury. After that you need an i7 to have no bottlenecks.

 

I agree that Intel CPUs are generally superior when talking i5s and i7s BUT i3s are not as potent, especially in multi-core. Even the Skylake 6100 gets it's ass handed to it by a 6350/8300 in DX12 games and MC workloads due to the better scaling overall more horsepower that FX have. Basically - if he wants old 2002 games then i3. If he wants 2016 games FX 6350. If he wants to upgrade - Intel. If he wants best value now AMD.

As for high-end - 4690K is mid-range, 4790K is lower high end.  The actual high end Intel chips are X99

In multi-threaded workloads, yes. Single-threaded loads are better done on the blue side.

[ItsTurbo]

On 7/5/2016 at 6:12 AM, Sintezza said:

Also dual core cpu´s for gaming today dont realy make a whole lot of sense to me.

They are pretty much stressed to the max all the time, and that will result in stutter in certain games.

By even the smallest interupt from a back ground process of the OS.

 

FX6300 is definitely not a bad choice on a budget.

It will perform totaly fine with a matching midrange gpu.

Most people allways look at the raw fps chart data, but that doesnt allways tell the whole story.

Its better to pick an i5 if you could of course.

I have exaly played arround with a Haswell core i3, and for anyday standard usage in windows it felt way snappier to me then my own FX8350, and that is logic because of better ipc and single threaded performance.

However wenn it came to gaming, it was just a horrible experiance in certain games.

 

@Prysin 

 

 

I will be getting a HYPER 212 EVO and when the CPU is upgraded, I may go for an H55 or H80i GT.

[don_svetlio]

6 minutes ago, CodenameScorpion said:

In multi-threaded workloads, yes. Single-threaded loads are better done on the blue side.

Exactly - the days of only 2 cores being used are long gone. Games now are requiring 4 cores minimum and recommending 8-thread CPUs all over the place. I3s aren't that good.

 

6 minutes ago, CodenameScorpion said:

I will be getting a HYPER 212 EVO and when the CPU is upgraded, I may go for an H55 or H80i GT.

A Liquid cooler is not a good investment. Temps are marginally lower - it's mainly for showing off

[ItsTurbo]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Exactly - the days of only 2 cores being used are long gone. Games now are requiring 4 cores minimum and recommending 8-thread CPUs all over the place. I3s aren't that good.

 

A Liquid cooler is not a good investment. Temps are marginally lower - it's mainly for showing off

The case would have a side panel window. (Deciding between an NZXT H440, Zalman Z9 Neo, Fractal Design Define R5, or a Corsair 400C)

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, CodenameScorpion said:

The case would have a side panel window. (Deciding between an NZXT H440, Zalman Z9 Neo, Fractal Design Define R5, or a Corsair 400C)

Don't overpay for a case and cooler - get a better system with the money....

[Dackzy]

DO NOT WATER COOL A FREAKING i3 IT IS SO STUPID ON SO MANY LEVELS

[ItsTurbo]

2 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

DO NOT WATER COOL A FREAKING i3 IT IS SO STUPID ON SO MANY LEVELS

Water cooling would be added after the CPU upgrade. If at all.

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, CodenameScorpion said:

Water cooling would be added after the CPU upgrade. If at all.

even water cooling a i5 is stupid, OCed i7 and we can talk water cooling.

[ItsTurbo]

1 minute ago, Dackzy said:

even water cooling a i5 is stupid, OCed i7 and we can talk water cooling.

Like I said. "If at all". As in I may go air cooling... maybe a Dark Rock Pro 3.

[Prysin]

16 minutes ago, CodenameScorpion said:

I will be getting a HYPER 212 EVO and when the CPU is upgraded, I may go for an H55 or H80i GT.

Make sure to buy a 30Hz monitor for your setup.

 

Because then you won't see the stutter that will inevitably happen on 60Hz monitors.