New computer

[glitchmaster0001]

2 minutes ago, Cosmopath said:

Sure, but I think you're underestimating the actual power of i5s. They're nothing to sneeze at: the i5-2500k from the first quarter of 2011 will still breeze through AAA games. 

Games have always depended more on GPU power rather than CPU power, and that's developing even further.

GTA V is an open world game though so it relies on the CPU also. also look at where the q6600 is at now, today that thing even though it has 4 true cores its basically useless for decent 1080p gaming. 

[J.GIBBS151]

where did ye learn all this from because i see a whole lotta numbers n i dont know what the hell they mean. well i do in a way its the power of it i think but where can i learn this stuff 

 

[glitchmaster0001]

7 minutes ago, Cosmopath said:

Actually, the Q6600 is a very good cheap CPU for 1080p gaming on a budget as long as you overclock it. I've seen people run AAA games at medium to high settings with one at a respectable 40-60fps, depending on the game.

really? i did a Xeon mod once, i used to have a newer q9300 and even when OC'd to 3.0Ghz that thing was useless in battlefield 4 and fallout 4. the bottleneck was real with my GTX 760. so i took a LGA 771 Xeon X5460 and modified the board, bios and CPU so that it would fit in there and i OC'd the Xeon to 4.0GHz and it was still useless and kept bottlenecking my GPU. ended up selling the xeon rig to someone who wanted to use it to learn how to OC with the FSB. 

[J.GIBBS151]

i should probably say i dont plan on overclocking

 

[laminutederire]

15 minutes ago, J.GIBBS151 said:

how much does all that stuff cost in euro 900?

 

I'd say between 900 and 1000€.

That being said it depends on the country and the retailer. I'm looking to make my build in France these days, and given the price I've been it would probably be 950€ just because the i7 6700 is like 350€ at the retailers in France. It could vary though, I'd encourage you to make a cat with those in your retailer  to have an exact pricing

 

[glitchmaster0001]

1 minute ago, J.GIBBS151 said:

i should probably say i dont plan on overclocking

 

and how long do you plan on keeping the computer, and what upgrades are you planning to do on it. basic upgrades or entire platform upgrade 

[J.GIBBS151]

2 minutes ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

and how long do you plan on keeping the computer, and what upgrades are you planning to do on it. basic upgrades or entire platform upgrade 

i plan on keeping the computer for a few years and for upgrades i'll be upgrading everythign over time so i might get a new cooler one time then maybe a graphics card another time

[glitchmaster0001]

1 minute ago, Cosmopath said:

Well, take the first Scrapyard Wars for example! Linus used a Q6600 OCed to 3.2GHz. His system with a 7950 got an average of like 65fps (iirc) in Tomb Raider, which is a fairly recent AAA games (or at least an ex-AAA game): even more in Dirt 3, although that's like an AA game (does that term even exist?). I've seen benchmarks of GTA V playing at medium 1080p with an average of 40-50fps.

when was the first scrapyard wars even released? 

 

1 minute ago, J.GIBBS151 said:

i plan on keeping the computer for a few years and for upgrades i'll be upgrading everythign over time so i might get a new cooler one time then maybe a graphics card another time

but your not planning to completely ditch the CPU motherboard and ram right? basic upgrades are like you said CPU cooler, more ram, new Graphics card. 

[J.GIBBS151]

2 minutes ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

when was the first scrapyard wars even released? 

 

but your not planning to completely ditch the CPU motherboard and ram right? basic upgrades are like you said CPU cooler, more ram, new Graphics card. 

I might upgrade the ram over a few years or wen my computer starts to get SUPER slow and i might be upgrading the graphics card aswell over time and the cpu cooler so ya basic stuff

[laminutederire]

17 minutes ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

GTA V is an open world game though so it relies on the CPU also. also look at where the q6600 is at now, today that thing even though it has 4 true cores its basically useless for decent 1080p gaming. 

Yeah but it has single core performance way behind good i5s

To me the future won't be much cpu hungry than it is today, at least not for the next 5 years. Why? Because newer API as DX12 and Vulkan are built to limit CPU overhead. So the greater demand of games will be balanced by a better use of CPU ressources by the API, making it somewhat the same.

17 minutes ago, J.GIBBS151 said:

where did ye learn all this from because i see a whole lotta numbers n i dont know what the hell they mean. well i do in a way its the power of it i think but where can i learn this stuff 

 

Personnally LTT taught me the basics, then everything else I learned while planning my next build

[glitchmaster0001]

2 minutes ago, Cosmopath said:

Last summer (2015).

must be because he also OC'd the memory as you can get more FPS with higher memory bandwidth. i got my q9300 to 3.0ghz and it still wasnt good enough in low settings. and my X5460 to 4.0ghz still wasn't enough either. 

[glitchmaster0001]

3 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Yeah but it has single core performance way behind good i5s

To me the future won't be much cpu hungry than it is today, at least not for the next 5 years. Why? Because newer API as DX12 and Vulkan are built to limit CPU overhead. So the greater demand of games will be balanced by a better use of CPU ressources by the API, making it somewhat the same.

Personnally LTT taught me the basics, then everything else I learned while planning my next build

no even when OC'd. an example of that would be my old X5460 that i OC'd to 4.0GHz which is pretty high OC considering the 10 year old CPU. also i hear that DX12 would better use more cores and threads. plus if the OP wanted to record gameplay to put on youtube or stream then the i7 would allow him to record while not losing as much FPS. since FRAPS and OBS use the CPU to record. but since OP stated that he is doing basic upgrades not platform upgrade later on thats why i recommend him to save up a bit then spend the extra cash on a better CPU to keep his platform relevant for longer. 

[J.GIBBS151]

so could someone possibly give me a list of parts that would be good for a gaming computer that would be in or a little bit over my budget n i will see if i can source them in ireland

 

[glitchmaster0001]

7 minutes ago, Cosmopath said:

That is really odd. Here's a benchmark comparing the Q6600 and Q9300 in AAA games, which also shows how they perform on their own (most at ultra or very high, my 40-60fps figure is mostly derived from medium or high). I think there might have been something wrong with your rig...?

lol that fallout 4 bench results though. also what is his GPU that he is using in that test bed. if you use a beefy enough GPU you can generate higher FPS even with a CPU bottleneck.  the GPU i used was a GTX 760

[laminutederire]

7 minutes ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

no even when OC'd. an example of that would be my old X5460 that i OC'd to 4.0GHz which is pretty high OC considering the 10 year old CPU. also i hear that DX12 would better use more cores and threads. plus if the OP wanted to record gameplay to put on youtube or stream then the i7 would allow him to record while not losing as much FPS. since FRAPS and OBS use the CPU to record. but since OP stated that he is doing basic upgrades not platform upgrade later on thats why i recommend him to save up a bit then spend the extra cash on a better CPU to keep his platform relevant for longer. 

DX12 also drastically reduces the CPU utilization

I personally stand by my choice for him for budget reasons anyway

The i5 6600 is an high end cpu, while the i7 6700 is an enthusiast grade cpu, so both will be enough for a bit of time anyway I guess.

[glitchmaster0001]

6 minutes ago, Cosmopath said:

36fps on Ultra? That's pretty decent for such a cheap CPU...

 

Keep in mind that these CPUs in the benchmarks are not overclocked, so these are actually pretty great results.

 

He's using a GTX 960.

36 on ultra? a e5640 costs $15 and is essentially a first gen i7. and it can get really high OCs like 4.6ghz and above 

[glitchmaster0001]

1 minute ago, Cosmopath said:

LGA1366 motherboards are incredibly rare: you'll have to pay a pretty hefty amount to get a hold of one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-DX58SO-LGA-1366-Intel-X58-Bulk-OEM-No-accessories-/351145882028 not a bad price for an X58 chipset board which is the magic ingredient for OCing a Xeon 

[J.GIBBS151]

can i get a list of parts?

 

[glitchmaster0001]

3 minutes ago, Cosmopath said:

I've seen overclockable LGA775 boards go for $25-40 all the time.

on page one i put a list for you already, your choice to switch out the CPU to an i5 6500 or keep the 6700 i put in there. 

[glitchmaster0001]

2 minutes ago, Cosmopath said:

I think you quoted the wrong person

no i quoted the OP. i left him a pcpartpicker list on page one. 

[J.GIBBS151]

5 minutes ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

no i quoted the OP. i left him a pcpartpicker list on page one. 

pcpartpicker dont ship parts to ireland. do u know a diffrent one i might be able to use?

[glitchmaster0001]

1 minute ago, J.GIBBS151 said:

pcpartpicker dont ship parts to ireland. do u know a diffrent one i might be able to use?

ok give me a sec your budget is 750 euros right?

[J.GIBBS151]

1 minute ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

ok give me a sec your budget is 750 euros right?

thats right but if need be i can bring it up to 800

[glitchmaster0001]

1 minute ago, J.GIBBS151 said:

thats right but if need be i can bring it up to 800

wait how much is that in pounds? lol 

[J.GIBBS151]

1 minute ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

wait how much is that in pounds? lol 

i honestly have no clue