Hello PC gaming

[palito]

3 minutes ago, Carclis said:

DX12 is a much bigger deal than any of it's other iterations and has been sorely needed for quite some time. Most games coming out from now on will be either DX12 or Vulkan so it only makes sense to buy DX12 hardware.

DX11 will be around for a long while.  DX12 is locked into MS Win10.  I'm not too fond of them either but in PC gaming one doesn't have a choice.  Crossing my fingers for Vulkan.

 

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If you really want to buy the 970 just to spite AMD, that's up to you and you'd be shooting yourself in the foot for one sale AMD won't lose any sleep over.

They probably won't lose sleep, but I would sleep better

 

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Again, having brand loyalty or holding a grudge over something that every single business does is going to hurt you more than anything and really makes no sense whatsoever. Plus you said it yourself, why invest in outdated hardware if you plan to hold onto it for 3-4 years?

You're right about buying older hardware that's closer to its obsolescence.  But then again, not a dime of my money will go to a company I despise.

 

I guess I will wait and see what 1060 or 1050 have in store.  Maybe I'll hold off and see how low the 980 or ti sells for in the clearance bin.

 

But I will not give a dime to that company.  I guess GTAV at 35fps is doable.

[palito]

6 minutes ago, iiNNeX said:

In that case, if you knew you already hated AMD in the first place, why come here and ask if the nvidia card in your price budget is OK, if you wouldn't take no for an answer?

Since my question was solely Nvidia related, what's the point of bringing in AMD if it isn't solicited?

[iiNNeX]

2 minutes ago, palito said:

Since my question was solely Nvidia related, what's the point of bringing in AMD if it isn't solicited?

I was just trying to clear the air. 

 

As an answer to your question, yes the GTX 970 is your best choice, although used 980s and even some 980ti's on ebay are currently going for gtx 970 money.

[Carclis]

6 minutes ago, palito said:

You're right about buying older hardware that's closer to its obsolescence.  But then again, not a dime of my money will go to a company I despise.

 

I guess I will wait and see what 1060 or 1050 have in store.  Maybe I'll hold off and see how low the 980 or ti sells for in the clearance bin.

If that's your decision then I'd either wait for the 1060, buy a sub-$200 GTX 980 or buy a sub-$380 GTX 980ti. Those are the only prices that make any sense at all with the impending releases although I'd be a little reluctant on the 980 since it will be in the low-mid class of cards soon and it also suffers in DX12.

[SteveGrabowski0]

Why not just save for the 1070 then instead of waiting for 1060? Nvidia gpus are awesome the first couple of years they're out. They're just not the cards you want to be investing in once they start aging.

[ivan134]

Ignoring all the wishful thinking you're trying to pass off as facts, how do you know so much of you're just getting into PC gaming? If you know as much as you think you do about GPUs and their lifespans, why exactly do you need help choosing one? Me thinks something is amiss here. 

[HKZeroFive]

1 hour ago, palito said:

A family member was a former employee of AMD.  He got screwed over.  No, he wasn't reporting to work drunk.  His job was sent overseas to keep their stock holders happy.

So he happened to be one of the unlucky people to be affected by a move that most (if not all) major companies do? I guarantee you NVIDIA has done the same before. Like I said, it's petty to hold a grudge - neither AMD nor NVIDIA give a crap about your loyalty. The fact of the matter is that the best card for you happens to be an AMD one. I still think you're being unreasonable.

1 hour ago, palito said:

Hitman and Quantum Break are AMD optimized titles.  No surprise there.  It happens on camp Nvidia too, where games optimized for it performs worse on AMD.

Quantum Break is not. It's a broken piece of crap that runs terribly for both. It just happens to run 'less terribly' on AMD hardware.

 

Obviously DX12 titles are going to favour AMD GPUs because that's the whole reasoning for promoting them - they're pushing DX12 capabilities which will give current AMD GPUs a boost ahead of NVIDIA's current lineup. From what I've seen, the hardware itself limits NVIDIA in these 'AMD optimised' titles. As opposed to NVIDIA titles, in which AMD GPUs struggle due to being unoptimised with closed software (or more commonly known as GameWorks).

2 hours ago, palito said:

Lesser of two evils.

Let me think...

 

Closed source software such as GameWorks.

Disabling of NVIDIA features (such as PhysX) if an AMD card is detected.

G-Sync - proprietary software that has a premium.

Decreasing amounts of support for older architectures - thus, ageing worse than their AMD counterparts

 

Just a few off the top of my head. I could dig deeper if I wanted to.

 

It sounds like I'm coming off as an AMD fanboy, but I'm not (points to MSI GTX 980Ti). I'm just clearing some very common misconceptions and trying very hard to convince someone to think logically and not emotionally with their money.

[MilfShake]

1 hour ago, iiNNeX said:

What.

 

That has to be the silliest reason to hate on a company, when basically you only have 2 companies to choose from when it comes to GPUs...

 

In that case, if you knew you already hated AMD in the first place, why come here and ask if the nvidia card in your price budget is OK, if you wouldn't take no for an answer?

 

Maybe console gaming is better for you.

No, because all consoles use AMD cpus lol...

[palito]

53 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Ignoring all the wishful thinking you're trying to pass off as facts, how do you know so much of you're just getting into PC gaming? If you know as much as you think you do about GPUs and their lifespans, why exactly do you need help choosing one? Me thinks something is amiss here. 

One doesn't have to own a gaming PC in order to "know" about them.

I have no interest on a brand you're loyal so there's no need for you to be sore about it.

[palito]

Good God, why the hostility?

 

I do NOT want AMD.  Why does it seem like many people can't respect the preferences of others?

 

If you can answer the question, great.  If not, that's fine.  But for goodness sake why the rampant foisting of AMD here?  Sheesh!

[metasynergy]

7 hours ago, palito said:

Is the 970 a good deal for $240?  Please, do NOT suggest AMD.  Just don't.

Have you considered AMD? Cause it seems to me like you are asking for an AMD recommendation. 

But in all seriousness, if you want a 970, this is the cheapest they are going to get, and the 1070 won't drop in price until the new AMD cards come out, and that won't be by much. 

[HKZeroFive]

3 hours ago, palito said:

Good God, why the hostility?

 

I do NOT want AMD.  Why does it seem like many people can't respect the preferences of others?

 

If you can answer the question, great.  If not, that's fine.  But for goodness sake why the rampant foisting of AMD here?  Sheesh!

Despite every single person here recommending AMD because it is the best value option for you, you still refuse out of unreasonable spite. So I suggest you ask somewhere else, you're likely going to get the same answer.

[palito]

13 hours ago, HKZeroFive said:

Despite every single person here recommending AMD because it is the best value option for you, you still refuse out of unreasonable spite. So I suggest you ask somewhere else, you're likely going to get the same answer.

Wrong.  I also asked around at Tom's and Anand.  I prefaced my statement by saying I only want advice on ONE manufacturer.  Guess what, nobody recommended something I explicitly said no to.

 

I'm starting to wonder who is funding or sponsoring these forums.

[OPSJono]

20 hours ago, iiNNeX said:

Maybe console gaming is better for you.

Yep.

 

OP seems pretty toxic, which the PCMR community has enough of already.

 

20 hours ago, iiNNeX said:

In that case, if you knew you already hated AMD in the first place, why come here and ask if the nvidia card in your price budget is OK, if you wouldn't take no for an answer?

 ^^ Pretty much, we're all happy to help you find the best card for your price range, but when you have a silly grudge over a company trying to stay afloat and not go-under, there's not much else we can do other than just say "ok" and leave you alone to make the "not great" decision of getting a 970 right now.

 

As many others have pointed out, the 480 is right around the corner and will perform way better, for less money.

Literally, nothing bad about that right there.

 

More performance = moar good.

Less price = moar good.

 

And you won't take either those just because it's AMD, because someone you know lost their job?

 

(context)

I've pretty much always ran Nvidia GPUs and I've always had Intel CPU's.

They've just had the better performance for the money I was paying at the time.

 

But if I was to buy a GPU now/soon, I would wait for the 1070 and 480 to be released and compare their performance against each other and get the one I liked the most based on the price.

(/context)

 

But hey, sensible reason isn't for everyone.

[XDXD_4U3IF1P]

18 hours ago, palito said:

Good God, why the hostility?

 

I do NOT want AMD.  Why does it seem like many people can't respect the preferences of others?

 

If you can answer the question, great.  If not, that's fine.  But for goodness sake why the rampant foisting of AMD here?  Sheesh!

stick with your view buddy,

I am a bit of a NVIDIA fan boy myself, basically because thats what I have experience with and i'm happy.

Also I tinker, alot and am now used to all the software and settings side of it, even if I could get better performance/price ration going AMD GPU I would not - and thats up to me, it's my money.

 

But respect to those that choose AMD GPU, i'm ok with them...........

 

[HKZeroFive]

51 minutes ago, palito said:

Wrong.  I also asked around at Tom's and Anand.  I prefaced my statement by saying I only want advice on ONE manufacturer.  Guess what, nobody recommended something I explicitly said no to.

 

I'm starting to wonder who is funding or sponsoring these forums.

Interestingly enough, if you look at other posts on TH, several are recommending to wait for AMD's RX 480. That goes throughout every forum, Tom's Hardware, AnandTech, the buildapc subreddit etc. Props to them for catering to your NVIDIA-only policy.

 

Nobody is. Just people with common sense who think that holding petty grudges is just an absurd excuse to not buy a potentially better product. You're always welcome to leave.

[palito]

2 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Nobody is. Just people with common sense who think that holding petty grudges is just an absurd excuse to not buy a potentially better product. You're always welcome to leave.

The point of these forums is for everyone to help one another.

 

If someone asks you which chocolate ice cream to buy, Breyers or Hagen-Dazs?

And you reply to them to go buy strawberry yogurt, you are not being helpful, regardless of what your reasoning may be.

[HKZeroFive]

31 minutes ago, palito said:

The point of these forums is for everyone to help one another.

 

If someone asks you which chocolate ice cream to buy, Breyers or Hagen-Dazs?

And you reply to them to go buy strawberry yogurt, you are not being helpful, regardless of what your reasoning may be.

Your interpretation of 'helping' is different to mine.

 

Say someone asks 'what is the best card for me?', a question open to all answers. Whether NVIDIA or AMD, he'll get a straight answer. No OP bias, no nonsense. Just plain facts that are open to reasoning because as forum members, it is our implied 'duty' to inform a person of what is best for them.

 

In your case, you present a very closed question. You immediately reject AMD (for absurd reasons) and ask for help. But as our 'duty' to inform, we tell you AMD is the best choice because of so and so. It is the classic case of 'the customer is always right'; they're not always right. Sure, we might tell you to get a GTX 970 just to appease you but we know that's not the right decision and thus, we ultimately misinform - that's not helping. You want to hear what you want to hear. The rest of us know that the reality is different.

 

You accuse the forum of being biased but that can be said the same for you. Helping doesn't mean catering to biased opinions but instead means to inform someone of what is right and what is wrong. At least that's what I think.

[palito]

24 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Your interpretation of 'helping' is different to mine.

 

Say someone asks 'what is the best card for me?', a question open to all answers. Whether NVIDIA or AMD, he'll get a straight answer. No OP bias, no nonsense. Just plain facts that are open to reasoning because as forum members, it is our implied 'duty' to inform a person of what is best for them.

 

In your case, you present a very closed question. You immediately reject AMD (for absurd reasons) and ask for help. But as our 'duty' to inform, we tell you AMD is the best choice because of so and so. It is the classic case of 'the customer is always right'; they're not always right. Sure, we might tell you to get a GTX 970 just to appease you but we know that's not the right decision and thus, we ultimately misinform - that's not helping. You want to hear what you want to hear. The rest of us know that the reality is different.

 

You accuse the forum of being biased but that can be said the same for you. Helping doesn't mean catering to biased opinions but instead means to inform someone of what is right and what is wrong. At least that's what I think.

Not every question needs to be open.  Last time I checked people are allowed to have preferences.  My question was specific.  Either you have an answer or you don't.

 

It's like I'm asking which chick looks better, the blonde or the red head?  Then you chime right in on asking if I want curly haired men.  Pay attention dude.  If you don't have an answer, ignore me.  But you shouldn't change my question because you can't give the answer you want.

[HKZeroFive]

27 minutes ago, palito said:

Not every question needs to be open.  Last time I checked people are allowed to have preferences.  My question was specific.  Either you have an answer or you don't.

 

It's like I'm asking which chick looks better, the blonde or the red head?  Then you chime right in on asking if I want curly haired men.  Pay attention dude.  If you don't have an answer, ignore me.  But you shouldn't change my question because you can't give the answer you want.

You're allowed to have preferences but that doesn't mean you're right.

 

So you have a grudge against curly haired men? Jokes aside, you can't compare the two. Your comparison of two girls is determined by personal preference - it's an opinionated thing. For you, comparison of two cards on the other hand is determined by plain arbitrary bias. You refuse to choose AMD although it is clearly the better choice - a cheaper, power efficient card that (supposedly) boasts more performance. Those reasons clearly make the AMD card a clear winner for someone without bias.

 

Instead, you choose NVIDIA because of a grudge which a good portion of people have ridiculed - this completely opposes the reasonable logic that we have as people who inform others on a frequent basis, because there is no reasonable argument to get a NVIDIA card over its AMD counterpart.

 

Look through the two pages of this thread. How many people are opposing your decision? It's probably at this point that you should question your choice rather than questioning the advice of the large amounts of people who unanimously agree that this isn't a good choice.

 

I'll leave you to it. It's ultimately your money. $240 for a brand new GTX 970 is a decent deal but it's going to depreciate rapidly with the introduction of new cards (aka RX 480).

[Unhelpful]

On 6/6/2016 at 10:47 AM, palito said:

 

"It's not GPU fanboyism"

 

Haters are just as bad. Get over it. AMD has better options in mid range. Nvidia currently has better low-end and high-end. You're in mid range right now.

[palito]

12 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

You're allowed to have preferences but that doesn't mean you're right.

 

So you have a grudge against curly haired men? Jokes aside, you can't compare the two. Your comparison of two girls is determined by personal preference - it's an opinionated thing. For you, comparison of two cards on the other hand is determined by plain arbitrary bias. You refuse to choose AMD although it is clearly the better choice - a cheaper, power efficient card that (supposedly) boasts more performance. Those reasons clearly make the AMD card a clear winner for someone without bias.

 

Instead, you choose NVIDIA because of a grudge which a good portion of people have ridiculed - this completely opposes the reasonable logic that we have as people who inform others on a frequent basis, because there is no reasonable argument to get a NVIDIA card over its AMD counterpart.

 

Look through the two pages of this thread. How many people are opposing your decision? It's probably at this point that you should question your choice rather than questioning the advice of the large amounts of people who unanimously agree that this isn't a good choice.

 

I'll leave you to it. It's ultimately your money. $240 for a brand new GTX 970 is a decent deal but it's going to depreciate rapidly with the introduction of new cards (aka RX 480).

And two pages later you still have people giving suggestions that I did NOT ask for.  Goes to show how they either don't know how to read or don't respect a person's opinion and foisting their agenda at me.

 

All I was asking is the 970 a good deal at a certain price, without the consideration of other cards.

Answers could have been: yes, no or wait.  That's it really.  No need to go off tangent.

[HKZeroFive]

1 minute ago, palito said:

And two pages later you still have people giving suggestions that I did NOT ask for.  Goes to show how they either don't know how to read or don't respect a person's opinion and foisting their agenda at me.

 

All I was asking is the 970 a good deal at a certain price, without the consideration of other cards.

Answers could have been: yes, no or wait.  That's it really.  No need to go off tangent.

It's perfectly understandable to not respect a person's opinion because the amount of bias is overwhelmingly obvious.

 

Someone else summed it up perfectly - brand loyalty/fanboyism is stupid.

[airdeano]

sorry, but if we can not talk to each other with respect, then we just lock 'er down and call it a day..