Power supply help

[Mekkerino]

Hey guys so I ordered these parts http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VKYpxr   and I really need a good power suuply for it.
Can you recommend me one for 40-50$? 

Thanks very much

I can pay more if needed for the psu

[Moonzy]

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-m12ii520bronze

or get the S12II variant if you dont mind it not being modular

[The_Denks]

7 minutes ago, Mekkerino said:

Hey guys so I ordered these parts http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VKYpxr   and I really need a good power suuply for it.
Can you recommend me one for 40-50$? 

Thanks very much

I can pay more if needed for the psu

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500 for non modular

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500m for semi-modular

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-rm450 for full-modular

[Omon_Ra]

2 minutes ago, Mekkerino said:

Hey guys so I ordered these parts http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VKYpxr   and I really need a good power suuply for it.
Can you recommend me one for 40-50$? 

Thanks very much

I can pay more if needed for the psu

I don't mean to be a dick, but PCpartpicker has great search tools.

 

 

Drag the price slider to your price range, drag the wattage slider to your desired wattage, sort by rating. You can keep refining your search beyond that if you like, modular or semi, efficiency rating, etc. The Seasonic one @Moonzy posted was the one I was about to post. It's also one of the top rated in that price range.

[Energycore]

7 minutes ago, Mekkerino said:

Hey guys so I ordered these parts http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VKYpxr   and I really need a good power suuply for it.
Can you recommend me one for 40-50$? 

Thanks very much

I can pay more if needed for the psu

Get the CX450M, it's $50 after rebate over at Micro Center and it's miles better than the old CXs, also semi modular which is always welcome.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na

 

Don't get any of the old CX with the green lines though.

[Energycore]

2 minutes ago, Omon_Ra said:

I don't mean to be a dick, but PCpartpicker has great search tools.

 

Drag the price slider to your price range, drag the wattage slider to your desired wattage, sort by rating. You can keep refining your search beyond that if you like, modular or semi, efficiency rating, etc. The Seasonic one @Moonzy posted was the one I was about to post. It's also one of the top rated in that price range.

Pcpartpicker's search tool doesn't include a PSU quality filter and that's the entire point of asking for advice. Right now picking a good PSU without being savvy remains a hard task.

[Energycore]

5 minutes ago, UberGamerKing said:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500 for non modular

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500m for semi-modular

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-rm450 for full-modular

Usually Corsair means quality. Not with the old CX units. Those are pretty bad.

[Omon_Ra]

2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Pcpartpicker's search tool doesn't include a PSU quality filter and that's the entire point of asking for advice. Right now picking a good PSU without being savvy remains a hard task.

Which is why I said to 'sort by rating.' Those are customer ratings from the various vendors. I looked at several websites and their comments for all of the components of my computer. You can get a pretty good sense of what is good/bad just from them. It's not much different than asking a forum...

[Energycore]

Just now, Omon_Ra said:

Which is why I said to 'sort by rating.'

Consumer ratings mean nothing. There are terrible Raidmax units with 4.5-5 stars rating and great platforms like Seasonic's S12G being rated 4 stars.

 

The thing is, consumers rate units for different things. Some people shove an entire star for a power supply having less modular connectors than they wanted. Others rate 5 stars "because it worked". Most units that work don't get rated but anyone who gets a unit DOA will immediately click the 1 star button.

 

All in all these kinds of rating systems are all but useless. Reviews made by experts with specialized equipment are the only we can trust.

[Moonzy]

12 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Get the CX450M, it's $50 after rebate over at Micro Center and it's miles better than the old CXs, also semi modular which is always welcome.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na

Don't get any of the old CX with the green lines though.

it's more reliable than the cx green but i wouldnt put it in a system with gpu and cpu above i5 6500 and a gtx 960

its still not as reliable as seasonic S12II/M12II units

the r9 380 is slightly power hungry so... yea 450W might not be enough

9 minutes ago, Omon_Ra said:

Which is why I said to 'sort by rating.'

user's rating doesnt reflect upon the build quality of the components inside

and each people use the psu differently

 

i can use a silver box 350W psu for my core 2 duo pc and say its working fine

then someone saw my review and use it for an i7 6700K + a gtx 980ti and lost his house

so it really depends on what the psu is used for. The best way is to ask, or do some research yourself

[Herman Mcpootis]

For $40, fractal design tesla r2 500w

For $50, CX650M after rebates

[Energycore]

5 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

it's more reliable than the cx green but i wouldnt put it in a system with gpu and cpu above i5 6500 and a gtx 960

its still not as reliable as seasonic S12II/M12II units

I'm going by what @quan289 reported based off a german review.

 

There's a couple big things about new CX. They're DC-DC regulated instead of group regulated. That makes them a lot better at handling crossloads. They're also rated for 40 degrees so no "Computer randomly shuts off while gaming oh wait I had a CX PSU" threads out of these. The primary side caps are Japanese and load regulation is quite a bit better. We don't have info on transient load tests though.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

I'm going by what @quan289 reported based off a germa review.

 

There's a couple big things about new CX. They're DC-DC regulated instead of group regulated. That makes them a lot better at handling crossloads. They're also rated for 40 degrees so no "Computer randomly shuts off while gaming oh wait I had a CX PSU" threads out of these. The primary side caps are Japanese and load regulation is quite a bit better. We don't have info on transient load tests though.

well a 550W or 650W might do the job, but definitely not a 450W unit i suppose

[Energycore]

2 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

well a 550W or 650W might do the job, but definitely not a 450W unit i suppose

The 450W can run i5-6500 + R9 380 easily. Although if @Mekkerino can afford the 550W that's the better choice since it'll give better efficiency (typical load closer to 50%). The 550 is $60 after rebate. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

The 450W can run i5-6500 + R9 380 easily. Although if @Mekkerino can afford the 550W that's the better choice since it'll give better efficiency (typical load closer to 50%). The 550 is $60 after rebate. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na

yea, to my understanding the M12II/S12II is still a better value for now

the new CX units are still quite pricey for their quality

[Energycore]

Just now, Moonzy said:

yea, to my understanding the M12II/S12II is still a better value for now

the new CX units are still quite pricey for their quality

The S12II are definitely better value at $60 but the CX ones have the rebate going right now which'll provide a better value for those who like gambling.

 

Tbh don't stop recommending the S12II. I'm willing to call it the bare minimum for PSU quality and its price / performance is on point.

 

13 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

For $40, fractal design tesla r2 500w

For $50, CX650M after rebates

The Tesla R2 is great unit! The $40 promo is out of stock though, and it usually goes for an unattractive $90.

[Mekkerino]

29 minutes ago, Omon_Ra said:

I don't mean to be a dick, but PCpartpicker has great search tools.

 

 

Drag the price slider to your price range, drag the wattage slider to your desired wattage, sort by rating. You can keep refining your search beyond that if you like, modular or semi, efficiency rating, etc. The Seasonic one @Moonzy posted was the one I was about to post. It's also one of the top rated in that price range.

I know they have,but I really have no ideea what psu is good.I recently bought a vs650 650w psu from corsair and it couldn't power the r9 380 so that us why I asked

[quan289]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

yea, to my understanding the M12II/S12II is still a better value for now

the new CX units are still quite pricey for their quality

The M12II-B 520w is a $65 PSU, while the CX550M is $69.99 or $49.99 after MIR. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139147

The CX450M is $59.99 if you don't want to deal with rebates.

 

At those prices, I would personally go with these new CXM, rather than going for the old M12II-B design. In fact, just today a few people at Jonnyguru had recommended the CXM over the M12II-B as well: http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13270&page=2
 

[Omon_Ra]

10 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Consumer ratings mean nothing. There are terrible Raidmax units with 4.5-5 stars rating and great platforms like Seasonic's S12G being rated 4 stars.

 

The thing is, consumers rate units for different things. Some people shove an entire star for a power supply having less modular connectors than they wanted. Others rate 5 stars "because it worked". Most units that work don't get rated but anyone who gets a unit DOA will immediately click the 1 star button.

 

All in all these kinds of rating systems are all but useless. Reviews made by experts with specialized equipment are the only we can trust.

FFS, for as how hard you read into my posts I'd think you can understand you need to read reviews and not just go by the number of stars. For one, if something has 5 stars but 2 reviews, it's probably a little sketchy. If something has 4.5 stars and several hundred reviews, you can be pretty sure it's decent. What is the difference between consumer reviews and randoms on LTT giving advice? People here bash products because their friend's cousin's neighbor had one and they said it sucked. If you say retailer reviews are useless, then querying online forums is just as useless. And 'reviews made by experts with specialized equipment' are just as worthy of questioning as anyone writing a review on a website. Who is to say that reviewer isn't getting a unit from the manufacturer that has been slightly manipulated and is different from the general release? Or that the reviewer isn't fully as open about a flaw because of fear of losing out on future products? It's a slippery slope when you try and argue 'who you can trust' when it comes to product reviews. Part of the research process is taking in as much information possible and making the best decision from there. I was mostly trying to just explain that the PCPartPicker website has a lot of built in tools that can help narrow down the OP's search so he can ask us, the forum members, a more specific question that is easier to answer.

[Energycore]

12 minutes ago, Omon_Ra said:

FFS, for as how hard you read into my posts I'd think you can understand you need to read reviews and not just go by the number of stars. For one, if something has 5 stars but 2 reviews, it's probably a little sketchy. If something has 4.5 stars and several hundred reviews, you can be pretty sure it's decent. What is the difference between consumer reviews and randoms on LTT giving advice? People here bash products because their friend's cousin's neighbor had one and they said it sucked. If you say retailer reviews are useless, then querying online forums is just as useless. And 'reviews made by experts with specialized equipment' are just as worthy of questioning as anyone writing a review on a website. Who is to say that reviewer isn't getting a unit from the manufacturer that has been slightly manipulated and is different from the general release? Or that the reviewer isn't fully as open about a flaw because of fear of losing out on future products? It's a slippery slope when you try and argue 'who you can trust' when it comes to product reviews. Part of the research process is taking in as much information possible and making the best decision from there. I was mostly trying to just explain that the PCPartPicker website has a lot of built in tools that can help narrow down the OP's search so he can ask us, the forum members, a more specific question that is easier to answer.

Instruments don't lie and any company that was found sending units significantly better than retail to reviewers would lose their reputation within a fortnight.

 

I feel like you're trying very hard to end up on the right and I don't appreciate that. We're here to help OP, not win a debate. If you have anything helpful to say, you're welcome to do so.

 

Or you could be trolling. Can't rule that one out over the internet

14 minutes ago, Mekkerino said:

I know they have,but I really have no ideea what psu is good.I recently bought a vs650 650w psu from corsair and it couldn't power the r9 380 so that us why I asked

The VS units from Corsair are old and terrible. The CX Grey or S12II from Seasonic will have no problem giving power to your 380.

[Mekkerino]

Ok guys so I think I'll get the S12II because it has a pretty good price in my country (Romania). Will it get the job done?

[Omon_Ra]

7 hours ago, Energycore said:

Instruments don't lie and any company that was found sending units significantly better than retail to reviewers would lose their reputation within a fortnight.

 

I feel like you're trying very hard to end up on the right and I don't appreciate that. We're here to help OP, not win a debate. If you have anything helpful to say, you're welcome to do so.

 

Or you could be trolling. Can't rule that one out over the internet

All I'm saying is use all of the resources presented to you, and take them all with a grain of salt. To completely disregard hundreds, if not thousands, of consumer reviews for a single product just because they aren't paid to review products or have sophisticated testing equipment is no reason to discount them. A single data point is not enough to make a sound buying decision. Don't forget Consumer Reports use instruments and other metrics for all of their reviews, yet they still suck at providing useful consumer information. I'm not trying to win a debate, I'm trying to show the OP how to better search for products, which in turn makes it easier for the forum to respond to questions of 'this-or-that,' rather than 'this-or-that-or the other hundreds of <$75 PSU's.'

 

OP, go with the Seasonic PSU. It'll be fine. A lot of other PSU's are just rebranded Seasonic units anyways.

[FoxHunter]

I own a Thermaltake TR2 800w. I overclock my 2600k at 4.5GHz. A solid PSU.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermaltake-power-supply-pstr20500npcgusg

[quan289]

Spoiler

 

Oh my fucking God. Doesn't allow me to copy what I have typed up in case I lose what I have typed and then it lose what I had typed. If I come out as a bit of an asshole, sorry. I'm irritated and in quite a rush atm.

13 hours ago, Omon_Ra said:

FFS, for as how hard you read into my posts I'd think you can understand you need to read reviews and not just go by the number of stars.

Well, you didn't say that originally. The OP made a thread asked for a PSU recommendation. You came in and said "I don't mean to be a dick, but PCpartpicker has great search tools" where you can "sort by rating". This made it seem like you were saying that that the OP did not have to post a thread , as PCPP would suffice in looking for a PSU in power his system. You then used that to support the M12II-B Evo recommendation not because of an actual written review but rather "It's also one of the top rated in that price range".

13 hours ago, Omon_Ra said:

If something has 4.5 stars and several hundred reviews, you can be pretty sure it's decent.

That isn't necessarily the case. The Apevia ATX-AS520W-BK is a non-PFC, peak rated unit that is based on an old archaic design with a 4/5 rating. Due to the high 3.3/5V and low 12V rating and the presence of the negative 5V rail that was supposed to be removed from ATX specs shows that this PSU was design for over a decade ago. In fact, it is based on the same platform as this Sun Pro build Youngyear: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/young-year-yp-ab-transparent-power-supply/9/

 

Despite all of that, people still buy it for a modern day setup. Also, there have quite a few people I had worked with who used a PSU simply because "it would power the system" (these type of people often give a 5 star rating) and within a few years, they had to replaced multiples of GPU and/or motherboard due to a fried VRM cause by the strain that the PSU output quality had put it through.

 

Not to mentioned, some sites doesn't flushed older reviews when there's a new revision of the product. So the older revision is making it look better/worse than it actually is.

 

13 hours ago, Omon_Ra said:

What is the difference between consumer reviews and randoms on LTT giving advice? People here bash products because their friend's cousin's neighbor had one and they said it sucked. If you say retailer reviews are useless, then querying online forums is just as useless.

Consumer reviews at sites like Newegg cannot be commented on nor discuss. Posts on LTT can be commented on and discussed. You even stated to "use all of the resources presented to you, and take them all with a grain of salt", correct? If that's the case, you would agree that it isn't "just as useless". A discussion on LTT or any other forum allows for more resources to be presented to you, and thus would be more beneficial to the OP, correct?

 

Of course, just like there are knowledgeable people pertaining a particular subject, they are people who tend to spread misinformation across the forum. Because of this, you want to have "specialized reviews" to question or support the comments that had been put forth.

 

13 hours ago, Omon_Ra said:

And 'reviews made by experts with specialized equipment' are just as worthy of questioning as anyone writing a review on a website. Who is to say that reviewer isn't getting a unit from the manufacturer that has been slightly manipulated and is different from the general release? Or that the reviewer isn't fully as open about a flaw because of fear of losing out on future products? It's a slippery slope when you try and argue 'who you can trust' when it comes to product reviews.

Review sites such as Jonnyguru, TechPowerUp, TomsHardware, HardOCP, HardwareInsight, HardwareSecrets, etc. doesn't actually get paid for these reviews, AFAIK. They send them a review sample (which they can keep and sell for a profit if they wish) and hope that it will do good in accordance to a set methodology in hopes to attract customers. They are taking a chance by sending them a product, and it had been shown that these reviewers have no problem bashing on a product if it failed a specific test. The EVGA 400w didn't do well; the 750 GQ violated ATX specification on ripple suppression and transient loads; the Seasonic S12G / G 550w and their rebrand had it rectifier burned out because the OPP was set too high; the CX750 / M had shown to unable to deliver it rated output at high ambient temperature at both HardOCP and JG; the Cooler Master Extreme 2 475 had violated specs and burned out at loads above 360w; etc.

 

As for the "switch and bait", where a company sent in a completely different unit. The Raidmax AE series was sent to Ecova to get certified for 80+ Gold (which it did) but the retail unit was a completely different unit that was a Bronze platform. The XFX ProSeries 1050/1250 was labeled as a single rail unit but in actuality was a multi rail unit, which lead us to finding out that the Seasonic XM / XP units was also mislabeled as such.

 

Just recently, Jonnyguru had discovered some changes made to the EVGA 600B with a missing MOV in comparison to Aris @ TPU review: http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13173

Was verified with HardOCP review, and it was a retail sample. There are occasion where reviewers will go out and by an unit off on the market if needed.

 

All these information was gotten from these "specialized" site - something I rarely ever see on sites like Newegg.

 

13 hours ago, Omon_Ra said:

It's a slippery slope when you try and argue 'who you can trust' when it comes to product reviews. Part of the research process is taking in as much information possible and making the best decision from there.

The person to trust is the one that has a strong understanding of a product. In this case, a power supply is its ability to supply power to your system reliability for a certain duration of time. Since most consumer reviews does not have the ability to test this, they are not a trustworthy source in gauging the PSU overall quality, as the most they do is simply plugged it in.

 

However, that is not to say that the consumer reviews are completely useless. To bring up a scenario, you see a large increase in DOA within that week. This can tell you that during shipment overseas, it may got hit by an Atlantic storm, where the pallet of units had experience many drops and bumps. Or other things like, one unit was easier to sleeved than another. Maybe there is an unit that had not been tested for noise output yet, and you want to have some input of other perception of it.

 

In short, I would not used consumer reviews as a starting point when selecting my PSU. Only once I found a list of quality units, then maybe I would read some input from them on things that can only be found out in the masses.

 

 

[quan289]

11 hours ago, Mekkerino said:

Ok guys so I think I'll get the S12II because it has a pretty good price in my country (Romania). Will it get the job done?

Can you provide link(s) to stores you can buy from? The S12II-B 520w can indeed power an i5 system with a 380. It's a good budget unit, but you may be able to find something better.