Help me chose?

[Abaris]

Hello everyone.

I'm going to update my old system and throw a couple parts in there but I'm not sure about some of the components.

Currently have:
MOBO: EVGA P67 FTW
CPU: Intel core i7 2600k
CPU cooler: Zalman CNPS 9900 max
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) Kit
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo
HDD: WD Caviar Black 2TB
GPU: EVGA GTX 780Ti
PSU: Corsair AX1200

 

Want to buy:
MOBO: EVGA Z170 FTW or Asus RoG Maximus VIII Hero
CPU: Intel core i7 6700k
CPU cooler: Corsair H100i
RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4x8) Kit
SSD: Will remain the same with possible upgrade in the future.
HDD: Another 2TB disk
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 ti
PSU: WIll remain the same.

I think everything looks fine except for the motherboard. I'm not quite satisfied by the reviews and I don't want to blow my budget and spend $250 USD or more in it.
The other thing is that that RAM kit in particular has not been tested in those two motherboards. My experience tells me it shouldn't be an issue and in corsair's memmory finder page says it should support it. But I want to be 100% sure because it will be shipped internationaly.

Tips are highly apreciated.

[Windows7ge]

What speed is the memory kit? When running dual channel x2 if the RAM speed is too high you may not achieve its native speed therefore paying more money for something you can't reach.

 

Also if you're looking to overclock your CPU generally occupying all of your RAM slots will decrease how high you can push it. (If you're not planning to then this doesn't apply)

[Abaris]

Oh, I forgot to mention that. It is a 3000MHz kit.

And yeah, I plan to OC but not to insane levels, I don't feel too confortable going very high, so I suppose it is not an issue.

[Windows7ge]

6 minutes ago, Abaris said:

Oh, I forgot to mention that. It is a 3000MHz kit.

And yeah, I plan to OC but not to insane levels, I don't feel too confortable going very high, so I suppose it is not an issue.

Despite the boards not listing your exact memory kit did you check to see if any other kit was capable of running that speed with all four slots occupied?

Also do you have experience with playing with the FSB (Front Side Bus)? Memory works in intervals of 266MHz. What I mean is in the BIOS you'll see:

2133MHz

2400MHz

2666MHz

2933MHz

3200MHz

When you go to put in your new RAM clock XMP might tweak your FSB to achieve 3000MHz and potentially result in system instability. Finding a kit of 2933MHz (Not sure if those are even sold) would be a safer bet or even going for 2666MHz would yield a better chance of success & stability. Unless you edit and render videos you won't benefit from extra high speed RAM. Save some money.

 

With one GPU major overclocking won't yield much performance gain in most applications anyway. (i.e games)

[Abaris]

3 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

Despite the boards not listing your exact memory kit did you check to see if any other kit was capable of running that speed with all four slots occupied?

Also do you have experience with playing with the FSB (Front Side Bus)? Memory works in intervals of 266MHz. What I mean is in the BIOS you'll see:

2133MHz

2400MHz

2666MHz

2933MHz

3200MHz

When you go to put in your new RAM clock XMP might tweak your FSB to achieve 3000MHz and potentially result in system instability. Finding a kit of 2933MHz (Not sure if those are even sold) would be a safer bet or even going for 2666MHz would yield a better chance of success & stability. Unless you edit and render videos you won't benefit from extra high speed RAM. Save some money.

 

With one GPU major overclocking won't yield much performance gain in most applications anyway. (i.e games)

Yeah, I'm familiar with that and I remember a G.Skill 3000MHz (4x8) kit was in the support list for both Mobos.

Well, I was going for the safe way with the same kit but running at 2666MHz, but since the 3000MHz kit is currently at the same price I said, why not? But then this came up and now I'm not sure

What about the mobos? Which one should I pick and why? Or any other option you might want to recomend?
 

[Streetguru]

45 minutes ago, Abaris said:

 

What budget/Country, what are you using your PC for, and what is your display set up?

[Abaris]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

What budget/Country, what are you using your PC for, and what is your display set up?

I actually don't have an exact budget since USD is fluctuating and prices change a lot. I have like 1k USD to spend in MOBO, CPU, RAM and CPU cooler. Everything else is covered up. The system will be shipped to Colombia and it will be used for gaming and soft video/image edditing. And the display setup is a 2560x1080 LG IPS main monitor + a 1920x1080 secondary monitor of some sort.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Abaris said:

I actually don't have an exact budget since USD is fluctuating and prices change a lot. I have like 1k USD to spend in MOBO, CPU, RAM and CPU cooler. Everything else is covered up. The system will be shipped to Colombia and it will be used for gaming and soft video/image edditing. And the display setup is a 2560x1080 LG IPS main monitor + a 1920x1080 secondary monitor of some sort.

Well you probably don't need 32gbs of RAM

 

but here's the more performance per dollar option anyways, really not worth getting the 6700K when the 5820K usually cost as much and gives you a more powerful CPU and platform
 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/89qgdC
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/89qgdC/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($301.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($54.00 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 Nano 4GB Video Card  ($454.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $870.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-27 01:52 EDT-0400

[Windows7ge]

1 minute ago, Abaris said:

Well, I was going for the safe way with the same kit but running at 2666MHz, but since the 3000MHz kit is currently at the same price I said, why not? But then this came up and now I'm not sure 

What about the mobos? Which one should I pick and why? Or any other option you might want to recomend?

If it won't cost you anything more you can go for it no issue. Worst case scenario you have to manually tweak the frequency down to something that system can handle. Then if you have experience with tweaking RAM timing you can tighten it up a little.

 

People are complaining about the EVGA Z170. Depending on how compact your case is the H100i might not fit with the size of the CPU power delivery heatsink. Also people say the board is having BIOS issues which I consider a serious turn off. The ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII definitely higher price tag but the reviews aren't as bad. You can't get away from the occasional bad review but I think the ASUS board would be the safer of the two.

[Windows7ge]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor

He mentioned that he wants to do some overclocking, this is the non-K version.

[Abaris]

6 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

If it won't cost you anything more you can go for it no issue. Worst case scenario you have to manually tweak the frequency down to something that system can handle. Then if you have experience with tweaking RAM timing you can tighten it up a little.

 

People are complaining about the EVGA Z170. Depending on how compact your case is the H100i might not fit with the size of the CPU power delivery heatsink. Also people say the board is having BIOS issues which I consider a serious turn off. The ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII definitely higher price tag but the reviews aren't as bad. You can't get away from the occasional bad review but I think the ASUS board would be the safer of the two.

Thanx a lot. Now I have cleared my mind. I think I can make the RAM work if it presents any issue.
You really helped a lot.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

He mentioned that he wants to do some overclocking, this is the non-K version.

Ya, but it already turbos to like 4ghz, a 6700K is hardly going to be faster considering all the extra cash it costs you in the end, the 5820K makes a lot more sense to get for overclocking.

[Abaris]

10 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Well you probably don't need 32gbs of RAM

 

but here's the more performance per dollar option anyways, really not worth getting the 6700K when the 5820K usually cost as much and gives you a more powerful CPU and platform
 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/89qgdC
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/89qgdC/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($301.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($54.00 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 Nano 4GB Video Card  ($454.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $870.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-27 01:52 EDT-0400

Thanx, but not the CPU I want and I personaly don't like AMD video cards.
I'll make some changes to that list, but thank you

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, Abaris said:

Thanx, but not the CPU I want and I personaly don't like AMD video cards.
I'll make some changes to that list, but thank you

But you have to spend more on displays with nvidia cards should you go for an adaptive sync display for gaming, and Maxwell cards don't really gain any performance from DX12, while in the recent hitman game a 390 was as fast a 980ti under DX12. A trend that should continue

 

Plus new GPUs are coming in a few months anyways, may be better to invest that money onto your CPU with a 5820K

[Windows7ge]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

Ya, but it already turbos to like 4ghz, a 6700K is hardly going to be faster considering all the extra cash it costs you in the end, the 5820K makes a lot more sense to get for overclocking.

I do agree if serious performance is the objective just go LGA2011-V3 but on Newegg the 6700K is $350 USD, that's $48 more than the 6700 on SuperBiiz. Personally I'd pay that for slightly faster editing time over the long run.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

I do agree if serious performance is the objective just go LGA2011-V3 but on Newegg the 6700K is $350 USD, that's $48 more than the 6700 on SuperBiiz. Personally I'd pay that for slightly faster editing time over the long run.

Man they keep changing prices on me, still end up spending a lot more on your motherboard and cooling though.

 

5820K is $369, + 100 on the motherboard pretty much evens out with the extra i3 performance you get from it and better motherboards

https://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80648i75820k

[Windows7ge]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

5820K is $369, + 100 on the motherboard pretty much evens out with the extra i3 performance you get from it and better motherboards

I'm not against you, if he can fit a 2011-V3 platform into his budget he would definitely have better price/performance particularly for video editing.

[Abaris]

8 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

But you have to spend more on displays with nvidia cards should you go for an adaptive sync display for gaming, and Maxwell cards don't really gain any performance from DX12, while in the recent hitman game a 390 was as fast a 980ti under DX12. A trend that should continue

 

Plus new GPUs are coming in a few months anyways, may be better to invest that money onto your CPU with a 5820K

I don't plan on buying displays anytime soon and the graphics card was bought recently, so any of that matters.
I see you are saying that a 5820k over a 6700k is more efficient per dollar. Now another thingto consider lol.

And I kinda want 32GB of RAM since Iwon't be upgrading in quite some time, just futureproofing a little bit

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Abaris said:

I don't plan on buying displays anytime soon and the graphics card was bought recently, so any of that matters.
I see you are saying that a 5820k over a 6700k is more efficient per dollar. Now another thingto consider lol.

And I kinda want 32GB of RAM since Iwon't be upgrading in quite some time, just futureproofing a little bit

Would be better to have the better CPU and just buy more RAM later

[Windows7ge]

Just now, Abaris said:

I see you are saying that a 5820k over a 6700k is more efficient per dollar. Now another thingto consider lol.

And I kinda want 32GB of RAM since Iwon't be upgrading in quite some time, just futureproofing a little bit

Well now Streetguru has me thinking, if this is to be a video editing/rendering machine you would benefit from socket 2011-V3. Provided it can be found in a cost effective manner.

[Abaris]

17 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

Well now Streetguru has me thinking, if this is to be a video editing/rendering machine you would benefit from socket 2011-V3. Provided it can be found in a cost effective manner.

Well, sice its principal function will be for gaming and the edditing will be occasionaly, the fact remains? Will a 2011-v3 socket be more furureproof than a LGA 1151?

[Windows7ge]

Well, you'll find similar if not better gaming performance on LGA2011-V3 but you'd have superior video editing performance as well so I suppose 2011-V3 would be better future proofing. On top of that you'd have quad channel memory at your disposal which would allow 32GB of RAM without sacrificing overclocking potential for RAM or CPU. However it's only worth it if it's cost effective. If we have to empty your bank account(s) and put you in dept to make it happen then most definitely it isn't worth it.

[Abaris]

2 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

Well, you'll find similar if not better gaming performance on LGA2011-V3 but you'd have superior video editing performance as well so I suppose 2011-V3 would be better future proofing. On top of that you'd have quad channel memory at your disposal which would allow 32GB of RAM without sacrificing overclocking potential for RAM or CPU. However it's only worth it if it's cost effective. If we have to empty your bank account(s) and put you in dept to make it happen then most definitely it isn't worth it.

Good to know. Tomorrow I'll compare hardware and see wich is the best option with my current budget.

Thanx a lot guys, you definitely helped a bunch.

[Windows7ge]

2 minutes ago, Abaris said:

Good to know. Tomorrow I'll compare hardware and see wich is the best option with my current budget.

Thanx a lot guys, you definitely helped a bunch.

If I recall you mentioned your budget was around $1,000. We can look over whatever list you come up with and make recommendations from there. First and foremost go with the i7 5820K. 6 cores, 12 threads, overclockable. You will be limited to 1 graphics card though, a 2nd will not be an option.

 

You're welcome.