Upgrade plans

[Rodniz]

Hey guys

 

im planning on upgrading my gaming rig in the next 3-4 months.

Since my is getting pushed to the limits at current games, i consider skylake.

Since i wanna keep my 16 gigs of ddr3 ram, i looked at the GA-Z170-HD3 DDR3 from Gigabyte. As a processor, i chose the i5 6600k. I defenetly wann do overclocking again, since i squeezed so much extra performance out of my amd chip, wanna push the intel as well.

What do you guys think of this combo? Will they work together? Any things to be aware of? Dont have any experience of chipset choosing on the intel side. I wanna keep the money im going to spend as low as possible, since im still going to school.

The mainboard is about 110 € in germany and the i5 is about 235€ in germany.

 

So, what would u guys change? Wrong board, chipset? Could anyone explain me, what the A in some z170 chipsets mean? Couldnt find **** on google

Maybe consider an other processor-mobo comb for the price of 350 euros?

 

Thank you guys so much!

[Moonzy]

4 minutes ago, Rodniz said:

Since i wanna keep my 16 gigs of ddr3 ram,

skylake officially supports DDR3L and DDR4, not DDR3

using DDR3 on skylake will damage your IMC

5 minutes ago, Rodniz said:

Could anyone explain me, what the A in some z170 chipsets mean?

absolutely meaningless `-`

but im thinking Z170A = mATX board, Z170I = mITX board, i could be wrong lol

 

i suggest 6600k+Asus z170 pro gaming + Vengeance LPX or hyper X DDR4

[Rodniz]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

skylake officially supports DDR3L and DDR4, not DDR3

using DDR3 on skylake will damage your IMC

absolutely meaningless `-`

but im thinking Z170A = mATX board, Z170I = mITX board, i could be wrong lol

 

i suggest 6600k+Asus z170 pro gaming + Vengeance LPX or hyper X DDR4

That'll throw be back some months. Good to know.

Does skylake benefit of high memory speeds? All i heared on the internet is, that it would only matter about 1-2 fps.

What is the latest intel platform, that supports ddr3? Maybe i can get out of this with good performance and saving the money on new memory?

Thank you, very much!

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Rodniz said:

Does skylake benefit of high memory speeds? All i heared on the internet is, that it would only matter about 1-2 fps.

in cpu bound workload, it will definitely help

most games nowadays still cant make skylake a bottleneck yet so you wont see much of a difference

but it will definitely show when games starts to get more cpu demanding

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2 minutes ago, Rodniz said:

What is the latest intel platform, that supports ddr3? Maybe i can get out of this with good performance and saving the money on new memory?

haswell, intel 4th gen

i5 4690K + z97 motherboard + your rams

[Rodniz]

8 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

in cpu bound workload, it will definitely help

most games nowadays still cant make skylake a bottleneck yet so you wont see much of a difference

but it will definitely show when games starts to get more cpu demanding

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haswell, intel 4th gen

i5 4690K + z97 motherboard + your rams

I will go with z97 then. My parents wont kill me for spending 350, but they would for 450 Thanks bud, have a good one.

[Tech Deals]

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

skylake officially supports DDR3L and DDR4, not DDR3

using DDR3 on skylake will damage your IMC

While that is true, most decent motherboards don't care.

 

I'm typing this on a i5-6500 installed on an ASUS H170/Plus D3 motherboard using 16GB of DDR3-1600 RAM at 1.5 volts.

 

It has been running for 6 months without complaint.

[Moonzy]

4 minutes ago, Tech Deals said:

While that is true, most decent motherboards don't care.

I'm typing this on a i5-6500 installed on an ASUS H170/Plus D3 motherboard using 16GB of DDR3-1600 RAM at 1.5 volts.

It has been running for 6 months without complaint.

motherboard is just to link ram and cpu together, its not doing any processing in between the bus, so they dont care what voltage is inbetween the two

http://wccftech.com/skylake-does-not-support-ddr3-damage-ddr3l-only/

 

okay `-`

[Tech Deals]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

motherboard is just to link ram and cpu together, its not doing any processing in between the bus, so they dont care what voltage is inbetween the two

http://wccftech.com/skylake-does-not-support-ddr3-damage-ddr3l-only/

 

okay `-`

I'm well aware of that...  Anything over 1.35v is running out of spec.  But keep in mind that Skylake also doesn't support over DDR4-2133 either, yet plenty of people run DDR4-3200 without an issue.

 

I do get that the voltage may pass to the IMC and that may also be out of spec, but then so is running a i5-6600K at 4.6GHz.

 

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TL;DR - I have a sample size of 2, one system has been up a month, the other since November, both have never crashed on me (knock on wood).  Of course it may be a fair point that in the long term, several years, it will become an issue, no way to know.

 

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Side note: If you're going for value and you want to be sure, the i5-4460 and H97 motherboard would be much safer choices.

[Moonzy]

2 minutes ago, Tech Deals said:

I'm well aware of that...  Anything over 1.35v is running out of spec.  But keep in mind that Skylake also doesn't support over DDR4-2133 either, yet plenty of people run DDR4-3200 without an issue.

 

I do get that the voltage may pass to the IMC and that may also be out of spec, but then so is running a i5-6600K at 4.6GHz.

overclock and overvolting works way differently, just saying, overclocking have much lower risk of damaging your hardware (unless you're that idiot who input x90 in his multiplier and bricked his cpu)

 

if you insist that its fine, then okay

its not my responsibility to convince you otherwise

 

but atleast come up with a solid proof that using ddr3 on skylake is fine before advising others to do so

you can screw your hardware however you want, but dont tell other people to take the risk too, unless you can prove that its safe

[Tech Deals]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

overclock and overvolting works way differently, just saying, overclocking have much lower risk of damaging your hardware (unless you're that idiot who input x90 in his multiplier and bricked his cpu)

 

if you insist that its fine, then okay

its not my responsibility to convince you otherwise

 

but atleast come up with a solid proof that using ddr3 on skylake is fine before advising others to do so

you can screw your hardware however you want, but dont tell other people to take the risk too, unless you can prove that its safe

Solid proof?  That is a bit of a challenge on a message board on the Interwebs...

 

All I can say is that I have one that has been running at 1.5 volts for 6 months without complaint on a daily basis.  I don't know what the long term effects will be, but then I don't think anyone does, since they aren't physically old enough yet.

[incarnate]

10 minutes ago, Tech Deals said:

 I don't know what the long term effects will be, 

And that is the risk you take running out of spec. But to say to someone that it's fine because it's been working for you for 6 months no problem is misleading. You'll convince someone to do it, and they won't think that the long term will be different.

 

On topic. OP if you want to take the risk of damaging your cpu's memory controller, then going with skylake will work with regular ddr3, but you take the risk of causing damage over the long term, like overclocking a cpu with too much voltage. The damage may not be immediate, but over the years it could add up and cause a premature failure.