Question about G-Sync...

[RelentlessTroll]

I'm wanting to save up money for a G-Sync monitor, but I have a question that has confused me since G-Sync was first introduced.

With G-Sync monitors, they're supposed to eliminate the need for V-Sync, correct? But G-Sync monitors still have a refresh rate. What happens if my FPS goes past the refresh rate of a G-Sync enabled monitor? Does screen tearing start occurring? 

[Godlygamer23]

G-Syncs do not eliminate the need for V-Sync. When your G-Sync display reaches its default refresh rate, you have two options(which can be adjusted using the NVIDIA Control Panel). You can either use V-Sync or turn it off. In either case, G-Sync will be disabled and one of those options will take precedence. 

[MrG13]

 

[RelentlessTroll]

8 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

G-Syncs do not eliminate the need for V-Sync. When your G-Sync display reaches its default refresh rate, you have two options(which can be adjusted using the NVIDIA Control Panel). You can either use V-Sync or turn it off. In either case, G-Sync will be disabled and one of those options will take precedence. 

I'm afraid I still don't quite understand. If I go above the monitors refresh rate (with G-Sync on) what happens? Tearing? FPS capped to the refresh rate? And if I still need V-Sync, does that not defeat the purpose of G-Sync monitor? Forgive me, I'm kinda slow

[Godlygamer23]

2 minutes ago, RelentlessTroll said:

I'm afraid I still don't quite understand. If I go above the monitors refresh rate (with G-Sync on) what happens? Tearing? FPS capped to the refresh rate? And if I still need V-Sync, does that not defeat the purpose of G-Sync monitor? Forgive me, I'm kinda slow

G-Sync and FreeSync are only meant to be used once the frame rate goes below the monitor's refresh rate. Same goes with AMD's FreeSync. In the case of G-Sync, you have two choices using the NVIDIA Control Panel once the frame rate hits the default refresh rate: Use V-Sync or don't use it. 

 

In case you're wondering, both G-Sync and FreeSync work by modifying the refresh rate of the panels when the frame rate dips below the default refresh rates.

[RelentlessTroll]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

G-Sync is only meant to be used once the frame rate goes below the monitor's refresh rate. Same goes with AMD's FreeSync. In the case of G-Sync, you have two choices using the NVIDIA Control Panel once the frame rate hits the default refresh rate: Use V-Sync or don't use it. 

 

In case you're wondering, both G-Sync and FreeSync work by modifying the refresh rate of the panels when the frame rate dips below the default refresh rates.

So, if it goes above the refresh rate, I still get the caveats of a normal monitor? (Screen tearing vs. Lag)

 

And if I understood that correctly, could I still remove the need for V-Sync by adding my own FPS cap (On a G-Sync monitor) instead of V-Sync, and still not get any of those caveats?

[Godlygamer23]

4 minutes ago, RelentlessTroll said:

So, if it goes above the refresh rate, I still get the caveats of a normal monitor? (Screen tearing vs. Lag)

 

And if I understood that correctly, could I still remove the need for V-Sync by adding my own FPS cap (On a G-Sync monitor) instead of V-Sync, and still not get any of those caveats?

Correct. I believe you can limit your frame rate if desired using some sort of program like Precision X. 

[RelentlessTroll]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

Correct. I believe you can limit your frame rate if desired using some sort of program like Precision X. 

I use Precision X for my GPU fan curve, but I found personally using DXTory for FPS counter, and FPS cap is quite easy to use. I had to cap Skyrim cause it wasn't designed to go above 60, but I managed to get away with a 75FPS cap. Good to know an FPS cap on a G-Sync monitor can act as V-Sync, minus the drawbacks of V-Sync!  I was worried about that for a bit.

[Crusader93]

G-sync will automatically enable v-sync in Nvidia CP, the g-sync then works with the v-sync and locks your fps to your monitors refresh rate. You cannot get more than 144fps if you have a 144hz monitor, 60fps if u have a 60hz monitor and so on. If you disable v-sync in Nivida CP, or turns v-sync on ingame, G-sync will be disabled and you will see tearing again. G-sync automatically enables this when you turn g-sync on, so you have to manually turn it off for g-sync to be disabled.

Point being that g-sync locks your fps to your monitors refresh rate, so you cannot go above it unless you turn g-sync off.

[RelentlessTroll]

Just now, Crusader93 said:

G-sync will automatically enable v-sync in Nvidia CP, the g-sync then works with the v-sync and locks you fps to your monitors refresh rate. You cannot get more than 144fps if you have a 144hz monitor, 60fps if u have a 60hz screen and so on. If you disable v-sync in Nivida CP, or turns v-sync on ingame, G-sync will be disabled and you will see tearing again.

Point being that g-sync locks your fps to your monitors refresh rate, so you cannot go above it unless you turn g-sync off.

So by default, G-Sync has an FPS lock to the monitor's refresh rate? Why did Godlygamer make it sound like I may still need V-Sync? He could've just told me that. Unless it depends on the monitor...

[Godlygamer23]

3 hours ago, Crusader93 said:

Point being that g-sync locks your fps to your monitors refresh rate, so you cannot go above it unless you turn g-sync off.

G-Sync as a function does not limit your frame rate to the refresh rate of your monitor. It needs V-Sync to do that. 

 

[Crusader93]

I may have written a bit wrong, sorry about that. I will now correct my mistake.

 

You have the option to enable g-sync and disable V-Sync in Nvidia CP, but that will allow tearing to happen above the monitors refresh rate, eliminating the use of g-sync. Therefore you should instead leave it on so that you can use g-sync to its full potential.

I would however, not buy a g-sync monitor right now if i were you. It's quite overprised, and it is not very noticable if you can maintain 120-144fps on a 144hz monitor.

As of now the smartest thing to do, is that you save and buy a monster Pascal GPU when Nvidia releases them after the summer.

And, ofc if you dont have a 144hx monitor already, you rly should buy the BenQ xl2411Z. Far cheaper than the overprised g-sync shit, and performs as good or better than the monitors who have it(response time wise).

The more expensive g-sync screens has so terrible Quality control, and costs the whole wallet. G-sync also feels like it not quite a finished product aswell in my opinion.

[RelentlessTroll]

1 hour ago, Crusader93 said:

I may have written a bit wrong, sorry about that. I will now correct my mistake.

 

You have the option to enable g-sync and disable V-Sync in Nvidia CP, but that will allow tearing to happen above the monitors refresh rate, eliminating the use of g-sync. Therefore you should instead leave it on so that you can use g-sync to its full potential.

I would however, not buy a g-sync monitor right now if i were you. It's quite overprised, and it is not very noticable if you can maintain 120-144fps on a 144hz monitor.

As of now the smartest thing to do, is that you save and buy a monster Pascal GPU when Nvidia releases them after the summer.

And, ofc if you dont have a 144hx monitor already, you rly should buy the BenQ xl2411Z. Far cheaper than the overprised g-sync shit, and performs as good or better than the monitors who have it(response time wise).

The more expensive g-sync screens has so terrible Quality control, and costs the whole wallet. G-sync also feels like it not quite a finished product aswell in my opinion.

My mind is already made up, and I don't plan on upgrading my GPUs for a while. I'm running dual 780s. And the G-Sync monitor I have my eyes on is 1440p, (I'm currently on 1080p) 144Hz, and it's under $500 as well. There's no reason not to get it. And unless I'm playing something like Garry's Mod, I don't usually maintain 144FPS on my monitor, and I'll be getting a bit less when I'm using a higher resolution anyway. I just wanted to know more about how it worked. Nothing more. I'm not changing my mind.

[WhiteSkyMage]

Hey before you go pulling a trigger on G-Sync monitor, i suggest reading some more and think again.

 

Last I heard some games actually do not support G-Sync, so you still get tearing and stuttering. The big issue here is that, since Nvidia does not support FreeSync, ones you get one of those monitors, you are stuck with the company. I was thinking many times to get a FreeSync monitor and still use my Nvidia card - I am not loosing anything, since FreeSync comes free with the DP 1.2a and I guess the new 1.3 as well. From the looks of it however, Nvidia is going to stick with their G-Sync for quite awhile. Unfortunately this competition of variable refresh rate is really messing up with everyone's choices. This is I guess because of Nvidia supporting only their own, which doesn't always work that well. Open Source isn't always good either but at least it's open... I honestly don't know where to jump to from my IPS 1080p Dell monitor. The market is in a big mess cuz of that variable refresh rate competition, and with the coming of VR it would be even more messed up. OMG....

[RelentlessTroll]

9 hours ago, WhiteSkyMage said:

Hey before you go pulling a trigger on G-Sync monitor, i suggest reading some more and think again.

 

Last I heard some games actually do not support G-Sync, so you still get tearing and stuttering. The big issue here is that, since Nvidia does not support FreeSync, ones you get one of those monitors, you are stuck with the company. I was thinking many times to get a FreeSync monitor and still use my Nvidia card - I am not loosing anything, since FreeSync comes free with the DP 1.2a and I guess the new 1.3 as well. From the looks of it however, Nvidia is going to stick with their G-Sync for quite awhile. Unfortunately this competition of variable refresh rate is really messing up with everyone's choices. This is I guess because of Nvidia supporting only their own, which doesn't always work that well. Open Source isn't always good either but at least it's open... I honestly don't know where to jump to from my IPS 1080p Dell monitor. The market is in a big mess cuz of that variable refresh rate competition, and with the coming of VR it would be even more messed up. OMG....

I don't think you guys are quite understanding. 

 

1. I do not plan on upgrading my 2 780s for a while, and if I do, I'll be getting another Nvidia GPU anyway, because overall, I just prefer them over AMD, respectively.

 

2. Even if the odd game here and there doesn't support G-Sync, I am still getting the monitor because I'm getting a higher resolution as well. (1440p over my current 1080p monitor). I can deal with a few games not supporting it.

 

3. I'm sorry to sound rude, but I didn't originally start this thread with the hopes of people giving me their opinion on G-Sync, and telling me not to buy it. My mind was already made up long before posting this. I just wanted to educate myself more on how it worked so I know how to use it properly when I do get it. Nothing more.

[OddsCrazyStuff]

33 minutes ago, RelentlessTroll said:

I don't think you guys are quite understanding. 

 

1. I do not plan on upgrading my 2 780s for a while, and if I do, I'll be getting another Nvidia GPU anyway, because overall, I just prefer them over AMD, respectively.

 

2. Even if the odd game here and there doesn't support G-Sync, I am still getting the monitor because I'm getting a higher resolution as well. (1440p over my current 1080p monitor). I can deal with a few games not supporting it.

 

3. I'm sorry to sound rude, but I didn't originally start this thread with the hopes of people giving me their opinion on G-Sync, and telling me not to buy it. My mind was already made up long before posting this. I just wanted to educate myself more on how it worked so I know how to use it properly when I do get it. Nothing more.

2. If the game dont support G-Sync, so will it still work normally with V-Sync. So not an issue.

 

3. G-Sync works best when you PC/game cant output consistent frames. So if the games goes 85-35-65-32-90 on the fps counter, you want G-Sync. If the game is always at 60fps/120fps/144fps, then you dont need it.

Also, G-Sync dont work below 30fps or above a certain number (90 I think).

[RelentlessTroll]

Just now, OddsCrazyStuff said:

2. If the game dont support G-Sync, so will it still work normally with V-Sync. So not an issue.

 

3. G-Sync works best when you PC/game cant output consistent frames. So if the games goes 85-35-65-32-90 on the fps counter, you want G-Sync. If the game is always at 60fps/120fps/144fps, then you dont need it.

Also, G-Sync dont work below 30fps or above a certain number (90 I think).

Exactly what I'm saying. G-Sync is perfect for me. Also, the G-Sync monitor I'm getting is 144Hz, so it won't stop working at 90FPS.

[OddsCrazyStuff]

6 minutes ago, RelentlessTroll said:

Exactly what I'm saying. G-Sync is perfect for me. Also, the G-Sync monitor I'm getting is 144Hz, so it won't stop working at 90FPS.

G-Sync wont work above a certain number of fps, as in the frames are coming so fast that you dont see any gain from having G-Sync and you might gain a few more fps without it at 100fps+ (never below 100fps). You only notice the effect of G-Sync, when your pc is struggling to keep up with the game. Like in the 30-60fps range.

[RelentlessTroll]

1 hour ago, OddsCrazyStuff said:

G-Sync wont work above a certain number of fps, as in the frames are coming so fast that you dont see any gain from having G-Sync and you might gain a few more fps without it at 100fps+ (never below 100fps). You only notice the effect of G-Sync, when your pc is struggling to keep up with the game. Like in the 30-60fps range.

Well with the upping of resolution I'm getting, it won't matter if that's somehow true.

[WhiteSkyMage]

On 4/21/2016 at 11:45 PM, RelentlessTroll said:

I don't think you guys are quite understanding. 

 

1. I do not plan on upgrading my 2 780s for a while, and if I do, I'll be getting another Nvidia GPU anyway, because overall, I just prefer them over AMD, respectively.

 

2. Even if the odd game here and there doesn't support G-Sync, I am still getting the monitor because I'm getting a higher resolution as well. (1440p over my current 1080p monitor). I can deal with a few games not supporting it.

 

3. I'm sorry to sound rude, but I didn't originally start this thread with the hopes of people giving me their opinion on G-Sync, and telling me not to buy it. My mind was already made up long before posting this. I just wanted to educate myself more on how it worked so I know how to use it properly when I do get it. Nothing more.

If that's the case, If i were you, id pull the trigger on this one. I just wish I was on your place and only buy the stuff I prefer. But id hate to stick to one company and I'm actually ready to jump any time over to the competition. Nvidia are really good and everything works well, on the other side, yes AMD has some other advantages, even though not all works that great, but noone can have the best of both worlds...