Need help with bridging two routers

[DrDray]

So at the moment I currently have an old, shit Thomson (or speedtouch) ST536 v6 modem/router and a new Netgear Nighthawk (R7000) router. I am wanting to set it up so the shit thomson one doesn't do anything except convert the adsl2 line to an ethernet port (basically), and let the Netgear one do all the heavy lifting (like dhcp and NAT). But I am having some serious trouble with the thomson modem, at the verge of throwing it out the window. Anyone that's clued up with networking able to give me a hand?  

[xentropa]

So you are trying to go

 

Modem -> Thomson router -> Netgear Nighthawk ?

 

In that case, just set the Netgear to acquire ip address automatically for internet.  Then connect the a lan cable to an ethernet port on the Thomson to the INTERNET socket on the netgear.  That should do it I think.

[DrDray]

Just now, xentropa said:

So you are trying to go

 

Modem -> Thomson router -> Netgear Nighthawk ?

Yeah, except the thomson router is a modem/router

[xentropa]

Does the thomson have a lan socket that says "internet" on it?

[DrDray]

Just now, xentropa said:

Does the thomson have a lan socket that says "internet" on it?

Sure does

[xentropa]

Cable modem -> thomson internet lan socket.  Then thomson lan port to Netgear internet port.

 

Make sure thomson has the correct ip address/gateway settings/PPPOE settings.

 

Set the Netgear to DHCP or something like that.

[Rmusic10891]

34 minutes ago, xentropa said:

Cable modem -> thomson internet lan socket.  Then thomson lan port to Netgear internet port.

 

Make sure thomson has the correct ip address/gateway settings/PPPOE settings.

 

Set the Netgear to DHCP or something like that.

Like he said it's all one unit. He needs to disable DHCP on the Thomson if he hasn't already...

 

In the web portal

Home Network > Interfaces > LocalNetwork > Configure

 

Uncheck or Disable "Use DHCP Server"

Edited April 13, 2016 by Rmusic10891

[DrDray]

17 minutes ago, Rmusic10891 said:

Like he said it's all one unit. He needs to disable DHCP on the Thomson if he hasn't already...

 

In the web portal

Home Network > Interfaces > LocalNetwork > Configure

 

Uncheck or Disable "Use DHCP Server"

Yeah I've done that, only issue is setting up the Nighthawk unit. I've spent the last hour playing around and I'm stumped at this. 
Left side is router page, right is my ISP's settings

[Fr3dr1k]

I reccomend letting the thompson deal with the login. So dissable the login on the netgear, enable the thompson login.

 

Then for the IPs.

"My IP adress" is the adress the netgear router has in the subnet between the thompson and the netgear router. Since the default IP config is 192.168.1.x for the thompson, set "My IP adress" to 192.169.1.[1-253].

Try letting the server adress stay as it is.

[DrDray]

4 hours ago, Fr3dr1k said:

I reccomend letting the thompson deal with the login. So dissable the login on the netgear, enable the thompson login.

 

Then for the IPs.

"My IP adress" is the adress the netgear router has in the subnet between the thompson and the netgear router. Since the default IP config is 192.168.1.x for the thompson, set "My IP adress" to 192.169.1.[1-253].

Try letting the server adress stay as it is.

That's the way I had it set up. The Thomson was doing the login and no DHCP, and the Netgear was doing the DHCP and all the routing features. But I was "double natting" and any kind of game I was playing it was really crap as the ports struggled to get through the first Thomson modem (missing packets and just a crap connection). I tried to forward all the ports needed from the Thomson to the Netgear one but they kept deleting itself? So I've factory reset everything in the hope of trying to set up the whole network properly 

[Blake]

1 hour ago, Josh.Drayton said:

That's the way I had it set up. The Thomson was doing the login and no DHCP, and the Netgear was doing the DHCP and all the routing features. But I was "double natting" and any kind of game I was playing it was really crap as the ports struggled to get through the first Thomson modem (missing packets and just a crap connection). I tried to forward all the ports needed from the Thomson to the Netgear one but they kept deleting itself? So I've factory reset everything in the hope of trying to set up the whole network properly 

PPPoA is not a PPTP VPN connection.

 

look at page 24/25 of your manual: http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/R7000/R7000_UM_10Oct13.pdf

 

Your ISP will auto assign your IP address on your WAN interface, the DHCP will work on the LAN ports (default) and NAT will bind your lan ports to the wan interface. 

 

you do not even need the thompson anymore (apart from it actually working, and you haven't gotten the other one to work yet).

6 hours ago, Fr3dr1k said:

I reccomend letting the thompson deal with the login. So dissable the login on the netgear, enable the thompson login.

 

Then for the IPs.

"My IP adress" is the adress the netgear router has in the subnet between the thompson and the netgear router. Since the default IP config is 192.168.1.x for the thompson, set "My IP adress" to 192.169.1.[1-253].

Try letting the server adress stay as it is.

Sorry, but your answer is completely wrong. PPPoA is a widely supported protocol, and the netgear will be a lot better then the Thompson. The issue is he is currently configuring it connect via a VPN logon and not a serial/pppoa logon. 

 

That server address, as it currently is configured (10.0.0.138) is a private address, so unless there is a route configured in the router to point it externally (hint: there isn't) it will never even authenticate against the ISP's PPPoA service.

 

[DrDray]

3 hours ago, Blake said:

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Finally someone that understands what I'm after! Probably due to my poor wording. I've been at this set up for about 6 hours with no luck. I can force the Thomson one into bridge mode through a setup CD (iso) I found online, although after that it will do nothing. I read that I should be able to plug it directly into my computer and it shall work but nothing happens and I've been trying every combination under the sun.

So at this point I feel like it's the thomson modem that is letting the team down at the moment and I do need it as the Nighthawk doesn't have a modem.

 

What exactly am I doing wrong with setting up the Nighthawk??

[Blake]

17 hours ago, Josh.Drayton said:

Finally someone that understands what I'm after! Probably due to my poor wording. I've been at this set up for about 6 hours with no luck. I can force the Thomson one into bridge mode through a setup CD (iso) I found online, although after that it will do nothing. I read that I should be able to plug it directly into my computer and it shall work but nothing happens and I've been trying every combination under the sun.

So at this point I feel like it's the thomson modem that is letting the team down at the moment and I do need it as the Nighthawk doesn't have a modem.

 

What exactly am I doing wrong with setting up the Nighthawk??

Just to confirm, the nighthawk does have an RJ11 port? or is it a RJ45?

 

You should be fine connecting a normal telephone cord from the wall to the RJ45 port as VDSL with either use 2 or 4 wires, however if your wall plug is a RJ45 socket, just use an ethernet cord, just make sure it is a straight through and not a rolled or crossover (most computers auto flip the pairs if needed, so using the wrong cord will still work, however I don't think the WAN connection is expecting this and wont have this function working)

 

[DrDray]

3 hours ago, Blake said:

Just to confirm, the nighthawk does have an RJ11 port? or is it a RJ45?

 

You should be fine connecting a normal telephone cord from the wall to the RJ45 port as VDSL with either use 2 or 4 wires, however if your wall plug is a RJ45 socket, just use an ethernet cord, just make sure it is a straight through and not a rolled or crossover (most computers auto flip the pairs if needed, so using the wrong cord will still work, however I don't think the WAN connection is expecting this and wont have this function working)

 

The wall plug is a telephone socket (https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Images/Products/size_3/GP21A.JPG) and we use a filter to convert it to an RJ11 socket which can only go into the Tompson modem. To clarify the Nighthawk only has RJ45 sockets and is not a modem which is why I need the Tompson one

[Blake]

1 hour ago, Josh.Drayton said:

The wall plug is a telephone socket (https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Images/Products/size_3/GP21A.JPG) and we use a filter to convert it to an RJ11 socket which can only go into the Tompson modem. To clarify the Nighthawk only has RJ45 sockets and is not a modem which is why I need the Tompson one

Just to confirm, do you have:

http://www.netgear.com.au/home/products/networking/modem-routers/D7000.aspx#tab-techspecs

or

http://www.netgear.com.au/home/products/networking/wifi-routers/R7000.aspx#tab-techspecs

 

If you have the first, then yes it does support DSL. You will be able to dump the Thompson. You will find that RJ11 fits into RJ45 fine (the telstra filters here in australia come with 

If you don't, you will want to bridge the Thompson (Go to Speedtouch, Configuration on the left, and choose setup. Pick bridge. Don't enter a password). then on the Night hawk you will need to tell it to use PPPoA and enter the username/password. This should make the Thompson act as a Serial to Ethernet x4 converter, then just connect an Ethernet cable from the LAN port on the Thompson to the WAN port on the nighthawk. Anything connected to the Thompson will need to supply PPPoA authentication to connect, but it can also have issues depending on how your ISP has their auth server configured as each login may kick the previous session off.

[DrDray]

On 4/15/2016 at 3:38 PM, Blake said:

Just to confirm, do you have:

http://www.netgear.com.au/home/products/networking/modem-routers/D7000.aspx#tab-techspecs

or

http://www.netgear.com.au/home/products/networking/wifi-routers/R7000.aspx#tab-techspecs

 

If you have the first, then yes it does support DSL. You will be able to dump the Thompson. You will find that RJ11 fits into RJ45 fine (the telstra filters here in australia come with 

If you don't, you will want to bridge the Thompson (Go to Speedtouch, Configuration on the left, and choose setup. Pick bridge. Don't enter a password). then on the Night hawk you will need to tell it to use PPPoA and enter the username/password. This should make the Thompson act as a Serial to Ethernet x4 converter, then just connect an Ethernet cable from the LAN port on the Thompson to the WAN port on the nighthawk. Anything connected to the Thompson will need to supply PPPoA authentication to connect, but it can also have issues depending on how your ISP has their auth server configured as each login may kick the previous session off.

Yeah I have the R7000. I did eventually figure out that the NIghthawk doesn't support PPPoA, which is what I need... Which is a kick in the teeth. So at the moment I've just got DHCP on for both and the Nighthawk doing 10.0.0.x and and the modem doing 192.168.1.x since my freenas box is still set up to use 10.0.0.x and I really don't want to configure it again. Thanks heaps for the help though, I eventually found my answer after countless hours of googling....