VIDEO_TDR_ERROR black screen crash?

[FreezingMan]

xfx 680i LT (latest bios)

q6600 (stock)

gtx 460 (old card caused more TDRs doing general everyday pc use and no gaming)

RMA'd card gtx 950 sc (latest drivers and 1 TDR in 5 days yet consistent TDR in gaming but not stress test)

4gb ddr2 (ran memtest overnight)

brand new WD hdd with windows 10 installed directly from microsoft

store brand (retail plus 80 bronze 700 watt psu

 

So I had been getting TDR black screen crashes sporadically with my gtx 460 when just using the internet and watching youtube or movies. I would get the black screen and would be forced to reboot my computer. The crash dumps always said it was "Probably caused by: nvlddmkm.sys" So i ended up calling EVGA to get an RMA. They were telling me that my PSU was running a bit high and the only way i can check my PSU voltages are through the bios and it was reading 12.45-12.51 jumping back and forth between those two numbers when i had the gtx 460 in there. Its a cheap bronze rated 700 watt Staples store brand. They said they would send me a new card anyways for RMA.

 

I received the GTX 950 SC last week and i thought my TDR issues were solved when I got one TDR lastnight while watching a show on VLC. The screen went black and i was forced to reboot my computer. The crashes seem to be way less frequent than they were before because its only happened once in 5 days with the gtx 950 vs several times a day with the gtx 460. This 950 uses 90watts TDP of power whereas the gtx 460 uses 160 watts. I also noticed in the bios that the 12v wasn't jumping from 12.45-12.51 it was steady at 12.45 with the GTX 950 installed. 

 

After getting that first TDR in 5 days with the gtx 950 i installed GTA 5 just to test out the card even more. Within about 10 minutes of gameplay i got a TDR. The second time i tried it happened within 20 minutes of gameplay. The weird thing is i can't get it to TDR when running furmark and prime95 at the same time. I've also run memtest overnight and the ram seems to check out fine. It wont crash in stress tests but crashes consistently in gta5?

 

I've already ordered a new PSU and it should be here early next week. Any other ideas on what it could be? I didn't seem to get these errors when i had windows 7 installed. Yet after I installed windows 10 im now getting TDR errors. 

[Paul_VB]

This probably isnt what you want to hear... but i think the motherboard is starting to go. You're running some pretty old hardware and i think you're  overdure for a system upgrade.

 

a new PSU cant hurt, but if that fails, then the only other thing i can thing to do (apart from a new mobo) is an inplace upgrade of the OS

[FreezingMan]

39 minutes ago, Paul_VB said:

This probably isnt what you want to hear... but i think the motherboard is starting to go. You're running some pretty old hardware and i think you're  overdure for a system upgrade.

 

a new PSU cant hurt, but if that fails, then the only other thing i can thing to do (apart from a new mobo) is an inplace upgrade of the OS

So now i've just ran GTA5 for an hour with no crashes? honestly wtf is going on. Im running windows 10 already i don't know how much more i can upgrade the OS. I plugged my computer directly into the wall to rule out a bad power strip. Thats the only thing left. A bad psu a bad mobo or a bad cpu. Why would all of this start as soon as i upgraded to windows 10 from windows 7? Also why now am i only getting 1 TDR per 5 days whereas with the old graphics card i would have several per day. A bad mobo or CPU doesn't really add up to the symptoms.

 

Edit: I actually just cancelled the PSU. im gonna borrow one from a shop first to see if that is actually the issue. No point in wasting 180 dollars when i don't need to. Even though the new psu would go into a new system i dont want to spend the money at least yet. Especially after having no crashes when playing gta5 for an hour. So fucking perplexing i hate issues like this

[Paul_VB]

43 minutes ago, FreezingMan said:

So now i've just ran GTA5 for an hour with no crashes? honestly wtf is going on. Im running windows 10 already i don't know how much more i can upgrade the OS. I plugged my computer directly into the wall to rule out a bad power strip. Thats the only thing left. A bad psu a bad mobo or a bad cpu. Why would all of this start as soon as i upgraded to windows 10 from windows 7? Also why now am i only getting 1 TDR per 5 days whereas with the old graphics card i would have several per day. A bad mobo or CPU doesn't really add up to the symptoms.

 

Edit: I actually just cancelled the PSU. im gonna borrow one from a shop first to see if that is actually the issue. No point in wasting 180 dollars when i don't need to. Even though the new psu would go into a new system i dont want to spend the money at least yet. Especially after having no crashes when playing gta5 for an hour. So fucking perplexing i hate issues like this

an in-place-upgrade is basically installing an OS over itself. it doesn't wipe all your data/programs though. All it does is rewrite over the OS files, replacing any possibly corrupted files with fresh versions.

 

i still think it could be the mobo though. a bad CPU isnt really likely, as there's not much on a cpu to break. A motherboard has traces that can wear out, VRMS/caps/ other electronic doo-dads that can go bad, solder joints that can weaken over time ect.. 

 

How old is that psu and what brand/model # is it? 

[FreezingMan]

2 hours ago, Paul_VB said:

an in-place-upgrade is basically installing an OS over itself. it doesn't wipe all your data/programs though. All it does is rewrite over the OS files, replacing any possibly corrupted files with fresh versions.

 

i still think it could be the mobo though. a bad CPU isnt really likely, as there's not much on a cpu to break. A motherboard has traces that can wear out, VRMS/caps/ other electronic doo-dads that can go bad, solder joints that can weaken over time ect.. 

 

How old is that psu and what brand/model # is it? 

3 Years old now. Its a "retail plus" 700 watt bronze rated Staples brand.

 

I bought a multi-meter tonight i needed one anyways im gonna test it out and see what the actual readings are. on the 12v rail

[FreezingMan]

3 hours ago, Paul_VB said:

an in-place-upgrade is basically installing an OS over itself. it doesn't wipe all your data/programs though. All it does is rewrite over the OS files, replacing any possibly corrupted files with fresh versions.

 

i still think it could be the mobo though. a bad CPU isnt really likely, as there's not much on a cpu to break. A motherboard has traces that can wear out, VRMS/caps/ other electronic doo-dads that can go bad, solder joints that can weaken over time ect.. 

 

How old is that psu and what brand/model # is it? 

Here are the test results hooking up to the 12+v

 

Bios: 12.48v

 

Idle: 12.51v

 

prime95: 12.48v

 

furmark: 12.38v

 

prime95 blend +furmark: 12.39v

 

vlc playing video + few tabs open in chrome: 12.50v

 

grand theft auto 5: 12.45v

 

does this rule out the PSU?

 

Also once it reaches those voltages its pretty steady only fluctuates by .01v  up or down

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Paul_VB]

1 hour ago, FreezingMan said:

Here are the test results hooking up to the 12+v

 

Bios: 12.48v

 

Idle: 12.51v

 

prime95: 12.48v

 

furmark: 12.38v

 

prime95 blend +furmark: 12.39v

 

vlc playing video + few tabs open in chrome: 12.50v

 

grand theft auto 5: 12.45v

 

does this rule out the PSU?

 

Also once it reaches those voltages its pretty steady only fluctuates by .01v  up or down

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TBH, those voltages seem a bit on the high side. On my rig at idle i get 11.952v at idle and 11.849v on furmark for refrence (measured using HWmonitor). the ATX 2.2 spec for 12 volt rail voltage is 11.4-12.6, so youre kinda sorta close to the upper threshold. 

 

What model and age is the PSU. it could help determine if its a good quality one or not.

[FreezingMan]

13 minutes ago, Paul_VB said:

TBH, those voltages seem a bit on the high side. On my rig at idle i get 11.952v at idle and 11.849v on furmark for refrence (measured using HWmonitor). the ATX 2.2 spec for 12 volt rail voltage is 11.4-12.6, so youre kinda sorta close to the upper threshold. 

 

What model and age is the PSU. it could help determine if its a good quality one or not.

its about 3 years old now i got it at Staples

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Brand-New-Sealed-Retail-Plus-700W-80-Bronze-Semi-Modular-ATX-Power-Supply-/141098854569

 

The EVGA guy said it seemed a bit high also when i gave him the BIOS readings of 12.45-12.51 as it was fluctuating then. but was within range. I used an actual multimeter to get those numbers not software which has the potential of being inaccurate. I had another TDR error while browsing chrome about 2 hours ago. I finally said fk it and reinstalled windows 7. If the errors are gone...what should i conclude? If they are still there I will consider upgrading to a new pc as its about time.

[FreezingMan]

I noticed the PSU seems to run a bit higher on windows 7 at idle. 12.52-53  It still hasn't crashed yet and i played a bit of GTA5 on the windows 7 partition. 

[FreezingMan]

13 hours ago, Paul_VB said:

TBH, those voltages seem a bit on the high side. On my rig at idle i get 11.952v at idle and 11.849v on furmark for refrence (measured using HWmonitor). the ATX 2.2 spec for 12 volt rail voltage is 11.4-12.6, so youre kinda sorta close to the upper threshold. 

 

What model and age is the PSU. it could help determine if its a good quality one or not.

Still no crash in windows 7..... Any ideas?

[Paul_VB]

1 hour ago, FreezingMan said:

Still no crash in windows 7..... Any ideas?

it might have been that your win 10 install was fucked up. I'd try to install 10 again from a fresh ISO

[FreezingMan]

 

will give it a try. thanks