What CPU for PC upgrade?

[BallOfPanda]

My PC is as follows:

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 @ 4.2 GHz

CPU Cooler: NXZT Kraken X31 with Push/Pull config

GPU: ASUS GTX 750 Ti

MOBO: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97x

PSU: Corsair CX430M

 

 

Building again I would definitely have gone with a much cheaper AM3+ motherboard and an FX-6300 as the dual cores are serving as a bottleneck. I would like to upgrade my CPU, but don't know what to do. I game and do occasional recording/streaming so I may benefit from more cores.

 

The things that I am considering are:

 

Intel i5-4690k

AMD FX-8230 & Something like this.

 

I am also open to other suggestions.

Thanks for reading,

 

BallOfPanda

 

 

[ZetZet]

4460 or 4690k or xeon 1231v3

 

 

fx8320 is crap

[BallOfPanda]

1 minute ago, ZetZet said:

4460 or 4690k or xeon 1231v3

 

 

fx8320 is crap

Why would I go with the Xeon? Any why do you think that the FX-8320 is so bad?

[ZetZet]

3 minutes ago, BallOfPanda said:

Why would I go with the Xeon? Any why do you think that the FX-8320 is so bad?

xeon is a locked i7 for the price of i5

 

because it is bad. it's 50 years old and you already have z97 mobo.

[Bit8xPr0]

7 minutes ago, BallOfPanda said:

 

 

I'd recommend going for a 4690k or 4790k depending on your budget. You already have a Z97 motherboard which is compatible with the 4690k and 4790k and also allows for some overclocking if the cooling is sufficient. No point to upgrade/downgrade to the FX line when you have a perfectly fine motherboard. The FX chips are a bit dated compared to LGA 1150 so you might as well upgrade on the socket you're on.

[Bit8xPr0]

6 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

4460 or 4690k or xeon 1231v3

 

 

fx8320 is crap

Depending on how often he streams he might be better off with a K series CPU if he's willing to overclock.

[ZetZet]

1 minute ago, Bit8xPr0 said:

Depending on how often he streams he might be better off with a K series CPU if he's willing to overclock.

you think a xeon can't stream?

[Bit8xPr0]

Just now, ZetZet said:

you think a xeon can't stream?

That's not what I implied at all? Xeons stream better because of Hyper-Threading of course but they are locked down and he has a Z97 motherboard. Depending on how often he streams it might be a better alternative to buy a 4690k or even just save up for a 4790k so he can get better performance in games too.

[BallOfPanda]

1 minute ago, ZetZet said:

 

 

1 minute ago, Bit8xPr0 said:

I'd recommend going for a 4690k or 4790k depending on your budget. You already have a Z97 motherboard which is compatible with the 4690k and 4790k and also allows for some overclocking if the cooling is sufficient. No point to upgrade/downgrade to the FX line when you have a perfectly fine motherboard. The FX chips are a bit dated compared to LGA 1150 so you might as well upgrade on the socket you're on.

 

1 minute ago, ZetZet said:

xeon is a locked i7 for the price of i5

 

because it is bad. it's 50 years old and you already have z97 mobo.

 

Good point. That was what I was originally going to do but the FX-8320 began to draw me in a bit. I suppose your right that if I already have an overkill Z97 might as well go with an unlocked i5.

[ZetZet]

Just now, BallOfPanda said:

but the FX-8320 began to draw me in a bit.

How?

[Bit8xPr0]

Just now, ZetZet said:

How?

He saw them 8 cores and the GHZ and he got le turned on meme  

[BallOfPanda]

Just now, Bit8xPr0 said:

That's not what I implied at all? Xeons stream better because of Hyper-Threading of course but they are locked down and he has a Z97 motherboard. Depending on how often he streams it might be a better alternative to buy a 4690k or even just save up for a 4790k so he can get better performance in games too.

 

2 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

you think a xeon can't stream?

 

3 minutes ago, Bit8xPr0 said:

Depending on how often he streams he might be better off with a K series CPU if he's willing to overclock.

I will swear by unlocked processors.

[Bit8xPr0]

Just now, BallOfPanda said:

 

 

I will swear by unlocked processors.

Welp! considering you have adequate cooling, based on your budget I'd go for either the 4690k or the 4790k! I mean you might as well max that board out with a 4790k right? . I have a Z97 board I need to fill with an i7 4790k as well. They're just too pricey for me atm

[BallOfPanda]

2 minutes ago, Bit8xPr0 said:

He saw them 8 cores and the GHZ and he got le turned on meme  

 

2 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

How?

Yes, the 8 cores and great overclocking capabilities (CRUSHING Passmark overclocked score if I might add xD) drew me to it a bit. Plus even it and a good compatible motherboard is cheaper than the i5.

[Bit8xPr0]

Just now, BallOfPanda said:

 

Yes, the 8 cores and great overclocking capabilities (CRUSHING Passmark overclocked score if I might add xD) drew me to it a bit. Plus even it and a good compatible motherboard is cheaper than the i5.

That's true! But don't be swayed by the mighty AMD master race! Stay Blue Stay True! It's kind of funny because I had an FX 6300 overclocked and it ran just fine and was a good price to.. But definitely not worth getting AMD with the motherboard you have already.. AMD motherboards with overclocking and also look nice are like $100 at least. Dip that $300 into a 4790k and overclock it to 4.5-4.8 GHZ and call it a day.

[BallOfPanda]

3 minutes ago, Bit8xPr0 said:

Welp! considering you have adequate cooling, based on your budget I'd go for either the 4690k or the 4790k! I mean you might as well max that board out with a 4790k right? . I have a Z97 board I need to fill with an i7 4790k as well. They're just too pricey for me atm

I have the budget for one, but I'm just conservative with my money. I could spend that money on a third SSD for a raid 0 or a newer GPU.

[ZetZet]

7 minutes ago, BallOfPanda said:

 

Yes, the 8 cores and great overclocking capabilities (CRUSHING Passmark overclocked score if I might add xD) drew me to it a bit. Plus even it and a good compatible motherboard is cheaper than the i5.

passmark is a joke, not real cores

[Bit8xPr0]

2 minutes ago, BallOfPanda said:

I have the budget for one, but I'm just conservative with my money. I could spend that money on a third SSD for a raid 0 or a newer GPU.

Yeah same route here. I could have bought an i7 4790k but instead I bought an 8350 to put with the extra motherboard I had plus another XFX R9 290X for Crossfire in my i5 4590 build. Sadly the FX 8350 build will still just sit there till I get money for a power supply and another GPU etc...  I should honestly sell of my H97 + i5 4590 and 990FX + 8350 lol

[BallOfPanda]

1 minute ago, Bit8xPr0 said:

Yeah same route here. I could have bought an i7 4790k but instead I bought an 8350 to put with the extra motherboard I had plus another XFX R9 290X for Crossfire in my i5 4590 build. Sadly the FX 8350 build will still just sit there till I get money for a power supply and another GPU etc...  I should honestly sell of my H97 + i5 4590 and 990FX + 8350 lol

Yeah, if you have no use for two machines might as well just sell them and build one beast.

[BallOfPanda]

3 minutes ago, Bit8xPr0 said:

Yeah same route here. I could have bought an i7 4790k but instead I bought an 8350 to put with the extra motherboard I had plus another XFX R9 290X for Crossfire in my i5 4590 build. Sadly the FX 8350 build will still just sit there till I get money for a power supply and another GPU etc...  I should honestly sell of my H97 + i5 4590 and 990FX + 8350 lol

My PC is overkill and underwhelming at the same time. 16 GB of RAM, dual 240 Gig SSDs, and a Z97x mobo with a G3258 and 750 Ti

[Clyne]

Ha, just save for a 4790K, the performance upgrade is significant compared to the PK/FX.

This

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($329.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $329.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-17 02:54 EST-0500

Vs

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($138.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($119.88 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $258.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-17 02:54 EST-0500

70-80 dollar price difference. Is it better by going with the FX?

What about overclocking?

Look again!

Scores are for Single Threaded...

Lets compared price/performance

Using score/price

Stock 4790K should get you 170 in single core, around .52 score/price

Stock 8320 should get you 85 in single core, around .33 score/price

[BallOfPanda]

2 minutes ago, Bubblewhale said:

Ha, just save for a 4790K, the performance upgrade is significant compared to the PK/FX.

This

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($329.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $329.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-17 02:54 EST-0500

Vs

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($138.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($119.88 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $258.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-17 02:54 EST-0500

70-80 dollar price difference. Is it better by going with the FX?

What about overclocking?

Look again!

Scores are for Single Threaded...

Lets compared price/performance

Using score/price

Stock 4790K should get you 170 in single core, around .52 score/price

Stock 8320 should get you 85 in single core, around .33 score/price

1. You picked an expensive motherboard for comparison.

2. You used a 8350 in the pictures for comparison.

3. You only showed one spreadsheet for comparison.

4. Didn't even say what the spreadsheet was?

5. Already said I'll get the 4690k, so if you want to change my mind about something compare the 4690k and 4790k, not the 8320/8350.

 

[Clyne]

14 minutes ago, BallOfPanda said:

1. You picked an expensive motherboard for comparison.

2. You used a 8350 in the pictures for comparison.

3. You only showed one spreadsheet for comparison.

4. Didn't even say what the spreadsheet was?

5. Already said I'll get the 4690k, so if you want to change my mind about something compare the 4690k and 4790k, not the 8320/8350.

 

1. Why get a low end motherboard if you have a expensive cooler? Aren't you wasting the potential to OC anyway? You said you had factors like Raid, which some low end motherboard do not offer.

2. All of the cores are the same for Vishera, so basically different "named" FX 83xx at the same GHZ are basically the same.

3. One spreadsheet eh? I said single threaded, you know HT makes a big deal already so you'll know how faster the 4790K is compared to the FX-83xx.

4. SAID Single threaded?

5. 4690K? Might as say this, i7's are more likely to be binned higher. Take this wafer for example.   The middle of the wafer is higher end chips, like i7's and higher end Xeon's(best binned), while the middle-end area is more of the i5/i3 area(okay binned), the end of the wafer is more of a Pentium/Celeron(not that well) area. Since chips are binned higher, they are more likely to reach higher clocks. Some cases a i5 struggles in game compared to a i7, or a i5 isn't that "capable" to handle a multi card setup.

Take a look for yourself..https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sxzGshuqVtFe_2zgRhN3gXCraR7d8p-NazJ6z0nsGGc/edit#gid=5 (this is from LTT, there are many other sources to find R15 scores for CPU)

Lets compared scores(i7): Higher number scores are Multi Threaded, Lowered Number scores are Single threaded

 

To this(i5)

[BallOfPanda]

1 minute ago, Bubblewhale said:

1. Why get a low end motherboard if you have a expensive cooler? Aren't you wasting the potential to OC anyway? You said you had factors like Raid, which some low end motherboard do not offer.

2. All of the cores are the same for Vishera, so basically different "named" FX 83xx at the same GHZ are basically the same.

3. One spreadsheet eh? I said single threaded, you know HT makes a big deal already so you'll know how faster the 4790K is compared to the FX-83xx.

4. SAID Single threaded?

5. 4690K? Might as say this, i7's are more likely to be binned higher. Take this wafer for example.   The middle of the wafer is higher end chips, like i7's and higher end Xeon's(best binned), while the middle-end area is more of the i5/i3 area(okay binned), the end of the wafer is more of a Pentium/Celeron(not that well) area. Since chips are binned higher, they are more likely to reach higher clocks. Some cases a i5 struggles in game compared to a i7, or a i5 isn't that "capable" to handle a multi card setup.

Lets compared scores(i7): Higher number scores are Multi Threaded, Lowered Number scores are Single threaded

 

To this(i5)

1. A motherboard can be good without being expensive, look at the one in the OP.

2. Can't argue with that.

3. One spreadsheet usually will mean one test.

4. I get that, but what test is this? What do the numbers represent? Is this 763 Multi Threaded tacos for a 4.85 GHz 4670k?

 

 

[Clyne]

17 minutes ago, BallOfPanda said:

1. A motherboard can be good without being expensive, look at the one in the OP.

2. Can't argue with that.

3. One spreadsheet usually will mean one test.

4. I get that, but what test is this? What do the numbers represent? Is this 763 Multi Threaded tacos for a 4.85 GHz 4670k?

 

 

Representing Cinebench R15 scores, it's free to download and it benchmarks CPU performance.

Try Cinebench R15 on your G3258, compare the scores with the FX and i5/i7.

Although what i would say is if you can wait by the end of the year, then wait. Zen is coming around the corner(Q4 2016) and claims to deliver 40-50 percent performance increase(Haswell level) at a cheaper price. Just wait out to Zen comes out then make your choices(if you want to wait that long), otherwise just get a i5/i7 and call it a day.