Haswell-e

[For]

Ok so don't take this topic too serious guys it's just a bit of speculation about what haswell-e will likely bring to us.

 

Inb4 zomg ivy-bridge-e only just came out you can't speculate about a product one year before release!!11oneoneeleven

 

 

I have personally been looking forward to haswell-e for a bit (about half a year) reason being I wanna go 2011 and I do not want the platform to be x79 since the platform itslelf is almost 2 years old by now and rumor had it ivy-e would not get a new platform at all which turned out to be true.

 

So what do you guys think?

ddr4? Sata express maybe? PCIe 4.0? (probably not seeing as 2011 already has insane bandwith pcie wise but what do you guys think?)

 

What I found interesting as mentioned on the WAN show about broadwell, they might get rid of the on-chip VRM.

We all know the ivy-bridge paste instead of solder fiasco, luckily intel did not use paste in ivy-e. But do you guys recon that haswell-e will lack on-chip VRM as well?

 

Pretty much all 2011 motherboards have great VRM anyways so do you think it would make sense for intel to leave out the on-chip VRM for haswell-e?

Also looking at the future do you guys see intel pushing "enthusiasts" more and more towards 2011 instead of the mainstream chips? (by this I don't mean spend 1000 bucks on an overkill CPU but with the rumor that haswell-e will have 6-8 cores assuming they use the same branding it could mean we will see a "low end 6core" on haswell-e in the same price range as high end 1150 CPUs like the 4770k or even the 5770k(assuming the branding is the same on broadwell)

[Hazy125]

There will be 6-8 cores, similar to the other extreme editions having 4 and 6 core models. DDR4 RAM will be present, just a cut down version almost. Not as good, or anywhere near as good as it could be, with support for up to 2133Mhz natively. No PCI-e 4.0 on this product launch, and still only 40 lanes of PCI-e 3.0. There will be a new chipset that isn't too dissimilar to the old one, the X99 chipset. This of course means there will be a new socket, that being 2011-3. I have not heard anything about leaving off the VRM, however that would make sense in order for them to continue using the 22nm lithography and still increase performance, especially with the increase in cores

[MrSuperb]

[Dravic]

Ok so don't take this topic too serious guys it's just a bit of speculation about what haswell-e will likely bring to us.

 

Inb4 zomg ivy-bridge-e only just came out you can't speculate about a product one year before release!!11oneoneeleven

 

 

I have personally been looking forward to haswell-e for a bit (about half a year) reason being I wanna go 2011 and I do not want the platform to be x79 since the platform itslelf is almost 2 years old by now and rumor had it ivy-e would not get a new platform at all which turned out to be true.

 

So what do you guys think?

ddr4? Sata express maybe? PCIe 4.0? (probably not seeing as 2011 already has insane bandwith pcie wise but what do you guys think?)

 

What I found interesting as mentioned on the WAN show about broadwell, they might get rid of the on-chip VRM.

We all know the ivy-bridge paste instead of solder fiasco, luckily intel did not use paste in ivy-e. But do you guys recon that haswell-e will lack on-chip VRM as well?

 

Pretty much all 2011 motherboards have great VRM anyways so do you think it would make sense for intel to leave out the on-chip VRM for haswell-e?

Also looking at the future do you guys see intel pushing "enthusiasts" more and more towards 2011 instead of the mainstream chips? (by this I don't mean spend 1000 bucks on an overkill CPU but with the rumor that haswell-e will have 6-8 cores assuming they use the same branding it could mean we will see a "low end 6core" on haswell-e in the same price range as high end 1150 CPUs like the 4770k or even the 5770k(assuming the branding is the same on broadwell)

 

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/158824-haswell-e-to-offer-ddr4-support-up-to-eight-cores-in-2014

 

http://www.techspot.com/news/52925-intel-haswell-e-enthusiast-chip-to-carry-eight-cores-and-support-ddr4.html

[For]

What do you guys think about intel possibly pushing people toward 2011 even more. I mean we already have a 2011 quad core ivy-e chip which is only 10 bucks more then the 4770k and pretty similar in specs (the quad-2011 being slightly higher clock speed, tdp and L3 cache), high end mobos for 1150 and 2011 are pretty similar price wise (rampage 4 extreme vs maximus 6 extreme) only you currently have more choice on 1150 since it's where the main group of customers are at the moment.

 

So price wise they are pretty much exactly the same only 2011 has A LOT more to offer then 1150 platform wise with 40 PCIe lanes compared to 16 on 1150 and quad channel 8 dimm support currently on 2011 (which will change to 4 dimms 1 per channel ddr4 on haswell-e)

 

I guess what I am saying is maybe in a few years with broadwell-e or skylake/skymont will there even be people buying 1150 w/e mainstream socket CPUs? Intel did mention it is planning to move away from selling seperate CPUs and moving towrads soldering the CPUs onto the mobo. Does that mean we could see 2011 become the mainstream gamer/enthusiast platform and possibly the only intel platform that still uses LGA?

[Tyranade]

I am seriously thinking about upgrading to 2011-3 Haswell-E CPUs once they come out or I will probably wait to Broadwell-E because if Haswell-E has DDR4 Memory it will probably be very expensive (The DDR4 RAM Sticks) and not to mention that if their are any major issues with DDR4 they should be fixed by the time Broadwell-E hits. Not to mention when Haswell-E hits I can then start saving over the course of a year or so for Broadwell-E : D!

 

Also then again as I have just built a Haswell PC I am probably going to upgrade on every Tock (Intel Tick Tock Shrink = Tick, Architecture Change = Tock) as I built my new Computer while Intel was on a Tock which is what Haswell is.

 

Still can't wait for 2011-3 Haswell-E and Broadwell-E : D!

[Dravic]

I am seriously thinking about upgrading to 2011-3 Haswell-E CPUs once they come out or I will probably wait to Broadwell-E because if Haswell-E has DDR4 Memory it will probably be very expensive (The DDR4 RAM Sticks) and not to mention that if their are any major issues with DDR4 they should be fixed by the time Broadwell-E hits. Not to mention when Haswell-E hits I can then start saving over the course of a year or so for Broadwell-E : D!

 

Also then again as I have just built a Haswell PC I am probably going to upgrade on every Tock (Intel Tick Tock Shrink = Tick, Architecture Change = Tock) as I built my new Computer while Intel was on a Tock which is what Haswell is.

 

Still can't wait for 2011-3 Haswell-E and Broadwell-E : D!

 

Broadwell is just Haswell shrunk into 14nm, and will not be available for desktops, only mobile segment. Next year Intel is planning on rebadging Haswell chips and selling them again (just base clock difference), calling it "Haswell Refresh" (oh the irony). 2015 will be the next generation of Intel CPUs for desktops codenamed Skylake.

 

Next Extreme chips after haswell will probably be named Skylake-Extreme.

[Tyranade]

Broadwell is just Haswell shrunk into 14nm, and will not be available for desktops, only mobile segment. Next year Intel is planning on rebadging Haswell chips and selling them again (just base clock difference), calling it "Haswell Refresh" (oh the irony). 2015 will be the next generation of Intel CPUs for desktops codenamed Skylake.

 

Next Extreme chips after haswell will probably be named Skylake-Extreme.

 

Well according to this

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwell_(microarchitecture)

 

 

Broadwell is expected to launch in three major forms:^[10]

1. Desktop version (LGA1150 socket): Broadwell-D
2. Mobile/laptop version (PGA socket): Broadwell-M
3. BGA version:

So it looks like their will be Broadwell for desktops at 14nm.

 

EDIT: I need to learn to freaking read.

 

 

Broadwell on desktop will be released in 2015 after Haswell Refresh both of them will be on LGA 1150 but will require new chipsets

 

So you where right there will be a Haswell Refresh. But I am not sure about their not being a Broadwell-E.

 

 

Either way I am looking forward to the Next Extreme CPUs after Haswell-E because they will have worked out all the issues if their are any with DDR4 RAM and by then the DDR4 RAM prices will have dropped. And once Haswell-E drops I will start saving up about £2,500 - £3,500 for a "Whatever-E" and then I will be able to build the absolute balls to the walls system I really want to build.

[Dravic]

Well according to this

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwell_(microarchitecture)

 

 

So it looks like their will be Broadwell for desktops at 14nm.

 

EDIT: I need to learn to freaking read.

 

 

 

So you where right there will be a Haswell Refresh. But I am not sure about their not being a Broadwell-E.

 

 

Either way I am looking forward to the Next Extreme CPUs after Haswell-E because they will have worked out all the issues if their are any with DDR4 RAM and by then the DDR4 RAM prices will have dropped.

 

Ever since wikipedia stopped being a good source of knowledge and started relying on rumors (also the rumors arent updated frequently enough), it lost any credibility it had.

 

Jump to other page and you find this:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)

 

Overally the NEWEST reports are that Broadwell won't exist for desktops, Intel gives up one year for desktops (unless you count the haswell Refresh as new architecture lmao) and tries to encourage AMD to 'fight' for their chips by giving them a break, and prepares Skylake for 2015.

[Tyranade]

Ever since wikipedia stopped being a good source of knowledge and started relying on rumors (also the rumors arent updated frequently enough), it lost any credibility it had.

 

Jump to other page and you find this:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)

 

Overally the NEWEST reports are that Broadwell won't exist for desktops, Intel gives up one year for desktops (unless you count the haswell Refresh as new architecture lmao) and tries to encourage AMD to 'fight' for their chips by giving them a break, and prepares Skylake for 2015.

 

I guess your right aha. Either way I am probably going to be jumping ship to whatever comes after Haswell-E but still I will be pretty damn interested to see how Haswell-E Performs.

[For]

The reason I am not going to wait for broadwell-e is because intel is really lazy (inb4hate) AMD is not giving them any competition with 2011 so intel is just sitting back enjoying the show.

It's obvious because they delayed ivy-e for a whole year and when they did release it they didn't even bother to make a new platform for it (still running on x79) so I am going to assume intel is going to do exactly the same with haswell-e.

 

It will be a new CPU on a new Chipset, I would not be surprised to see broadwell-e use the same chipset and same mobos as haswell-e making it effectively as useless as ivy-e to me since I do not care about saving some power and a 5% performance increase coupled with a 5% lower overclock. I'm not saying broadwell-e is a bad choice but if you are doing it because haswell-e will have "bleeding edge" technologies on it and you are waiting for them to fix the issues I am not sure if waiting for broadwell-e is what you should be doing, since I suspect they will run on the same chipset and the same motherboards as haswell-e. If I had made a new haswell build now I would wait for skylake-e since it will be a new chipset and a new cpu whereas X99 (hasswell-e and broadwell-e) will be pretty much the same as Z87 only more PCIe lanes and ddr4 support.

 

That is exactly why I am waiting for haswell-e instead of getting an ivy-e 2011 build now. X79 is feature wise pretty much the same as P55 (what I am running now) and will only give me quad channel ddr3 and more pcie lanes which is not a reason for me to upgrade because for me while gaming my CPU (i5 720) will only hit around 30% usage therefore I do not "need" a new CPU and with haswell-e I am very much looking at the platform and X99 instead of thinking if I should get a 6 core or an 8 core.

 

The most important thing to remember is first wait until haswell-e is actually released then see if it's worth it or not.