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This is how computer parts seller here in Shanghai recommends when coming to Haswell chips:

1. Does the customer have a dedicated GPU? If so...

2. Is the customer buying i5-4670 non-K, i5-4690 non-K or any i7 non-K? Or does the customer accept a non-overclock system? If either...

3. Recommend E3-1231v3 over i5-4670, i5-4690 or i7 non-K

Does this make sense?

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Perfect sense. Xeon 1231v3 = Core i7 for i5 prices, if you can go without overclocking and have a graphics card.

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1231v3 is gold

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Perfect sense. Xeon 1231v3 = Core i7 for i5 prices, if you can go without overclocking and have a graphics card.

By that logic my 68 VW Beetle has a Lotus engine in it, 4 cylinders reasons. right?

 

The 1231 gets it's ass handed to it by a 4790. a 4790k makes it look like a calculator.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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By that logic my 68 VW Beetle has a Lotus engine in it, 4 cylinders reasons. right?

The 1231 gets it's ass handed to it by a 4790. a 4790k makes it look like a calculator.

I'm not doubting you, but am asking for proof.

 

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By that logic my 68 VW Beetle has a Lotus engine in it, 4 cylinders reasons. right?

 

The 1231 gets it's ass handed to it by a 4790. a 4790k makes it look like a calculator.

Source?

 

Yeah, no. The 4770 (which is the chip the Xeon is equivalent to) is just 200MHz slower than the i7, which is basically no difference at all. The Xeon still has 4 strong cores and hyperthreading, for a huge amount less.

 

Gets it's ass handed to it? I think not.

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By that logic my 68 VW Beetle has a Lotus engine in it, 4 cylinders reasons. right?

The 1231 gets it's ass handed to it by a 4790. a 4790k makes it look like a calculator.

I have explicitly specified non-K so i7-4790K is not in the picture. And I don't think the 5% frequency difference between E3-1231v3 and i7-4790 non-K can be felt significantly by a mortal.

And, [citation needed]

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By that logic my 68 VW Beetle has a Lotus engine in it, 4 cylinders reasons. right?

 

The 1231 gets it's ass handed to it by a 4790. a 4790k makes it look like a calculator.

That's like saying a 4690 is tons slower than a stock 4690k. Spoiler, it isn't.

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By that logic my 68 VW Beetle has a Lotus engine in it, 4 cylinders reasons. right?

 

The 1231 gets it's ass handed to it by a 4790. a 4790k makes it look like a calculator.

4790 is a whole 200mhz faster so yeaaa, ass handed to it. lol.

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By that logic my 68 VW Beetle has a Lotus engine in it, 4 cylinders reasons. right?

 

The 1231 gets it's ass handed to it by a 4790. a 4790k makes it look like a calculator.

Yes the 1231 is slower than a 4790. But if you're not going to overclock and want to have 4 cores w/8 threads it's a good option to think of especially if you want to save some money. You're exaggerating a lot there bud.

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Yes the 1231 is slower than a 4790. But if you're not going to overclock and want to have 4 cores w/8 threads it's a good option to think of especially if you want to save some money. You're exaggerating a lot there bud.

I would take a £70 Saving for literally no difference.

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I would take a £70 Saving for literally no difference.

I would spend the difference on kicking the graphics up a notch or get at least a small SSD for cache. Either way by stepping down a bit from i7-4690 I can get a better experience.

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The ThreadStripper: 2x Xeon E5-2696v2 ~ 8x Kingston KVR 16GB DDR3-1600 Registered ECC ~ Asus Z9PE-D16 ~ Sapphire RX 480 Reference 8GB ~ WD Black NVMe 1TB ~ Ubuntu Linux 20.04 amd64

The Question Mark? Core i9-11900K ~ 2x Corsair Vengence 16GB DDR4-3000 @ DDR4-2933 ~ MSI Z590-A Pro ~ Sapphire Nitro RX 580 8GB ~ Samsung PM981A 960GB ~ Windows 11 Education amd64
Home server: Xeon E3-1231v3 ~ 2x Samsung 8GB DDR3-1600 Unbuffered ECC ~ Asus P9D-M ~ nVidia Tesla K20X 6GB ~ Broadcom MegaRAID 9271-8iCC ~ Gigabyte 480GB SATA SSD ~ 8x Mixed HDD 2TB ~ 16x Mixed HDD 3TB ~ Proxmox VE amd64

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that's exactly how you should shop for cpu

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