PC System

[Naruto]

1866 is faster than 1600, the increase really isn't that big so maybe they meant you would save some money? I have 1600 ram and it runs plenty fast for me, and 1866 is a slight improvement, not sure why they would say that :/

Hmmm, should I start a new Thread for this question ?

[Vitalius]

Hmmm, should I start a new Thread for this question ?

I will answer it, so no need.

The difference is not noticeable unless you edit video or some other RAM intensive task (gaming is not one). So yeah. If you do that, go for it.

The price difference between 1866 and 1600 is almost non-existent as well though, so it is just up to you really. I think it is $10 more on average for 1866 RAM of the same type? Meh, not that important. 

[Naruto]

I will answer it, so no need.

The difference is not noticeable unless you edit video or some other RAM intensive task (gaming is not one). So yeah. If you do that, go for it.

The price difference between 1866 and 1600 is almost non-existent as well though, so it is just up to you really. I think it is $10 more on average for 1866 RAM of the same type? Meh, not that important. 

Ok, thanks. But what about the part, that they said, 1866 RAM will slow down my pc a bit ? Is this an not good working speed or what ?

[Vitalius]

Ok, thanks. But what about the part, that they said, 1866 RAM will slow down my pc a bit ? Is this an not good working speed or what ?

I do not know why they would say that.

If they did, they do not know what they are talking about. Or you misheard them.

[tobben]

I guess you are right, but I can't really say, if Java is failing or my memory on my laptop (4gb) :D

i got 6 programs running 1 game 6 chrome tabs (3 videos) listening to music and doing various other things, and im using 4,9 gigs of ram. you won't need more than 8 gig for normal things, but theres nothing wrong with having 16 gigs :p i have 16 gigs myself just because i want to have sufficient ammount incase i want to do some very specific tasks requiring it, i probably won't use it but i like to have the option so that i won't hit the wall if i ever need it.

[WoodenMarker]

flash/java will break down before you run out of ram, sorry to say. :P

even if you have 10 tabs open, various random programs running, 1 game running, listening to music etc, you will still have some good headroom with 8 gigs

I've had over 1000 tabs open on chrome on a laptop with 4GB ram and I've never had a problem. 8GB is plenty.

Good gaming motherboard.

Good choice in GPU. However, I would wait until the 9970's drop in October to see if a price cut comes, as it very likely will.

Good PSU. Plenty for SLI/Crossfire later.

Storage is fine. Although I would recommend the Kingston 256GB SSDNow V200 series SSD. Kingston gets their hardware from Samsung for SSDs, so it is essentially the same SSD but with a different shell and it is also cheaper.

The rest is good. I own the Original Crafted Series Phantom myself. I love it. :D

Just so there aren't any misconceptions, there aren't many features that make any motherboard a 'gaming motherboard' other than good internet. This is something the G45 Gaming is not special for. It's a great mobo but I wouldn't call any specific mobo a 'good gaming mobo'.

I agree here. If you're not in a rush for a system, wait for the 9970's. Prices will most likely drop.

The PSU is overkill. 750w is plenty for a 770 sli.

I would'nt go for the v200. Look for the v300, Sandisk Ultra Plus, regular Samsung 840, Hyper 3K, etc. instead--whichever is cheaper. You won't notice the difference from any of these higher tiered ssds and the 840 PRo. No need to pay more for something you won't even notice.

Same thought with the Phantom.

- Intel Core i5 4670K

- MSI Z87-G45 Gaming

- 16 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1600

- MSI GTX N770 Twinfrozr 2 GB

- Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 850W  (I want to buy one more graphics card later for surround gaming with 3 monitors)

- Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200, Sata 6

- Samsung SSD 840 Pro 256 GB

- Corsair H100i (+ the quiet fans)

- NZXT Phantom 630

-  + a DVD Drive from Asus or Samsung

Unless you're going with a red/black theme, here is a list of mobos in which any of them would do the job just as well: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#sort=a6&f=2&c=89&l=2

The Vengeance Pros are only good for overclocking. Other than that, brand does not affect performance. It has already been explained above that there's little to no improvement from 1866 over 1600 so there's no point in paying more for the Pros. Just get the cheapest CL9 1600 memory you can find.

Although the twin frozr is my favorite gpu cooler, any dual/triple fan cooler gpu will do. Just get whichever is the cheapest. Have you considered the 7970? It's nearly neck to neck with the 770, has more vram, and should be considerably cheaper.

Like I said above, no need to pay more for the 840 Pros when other ssds or the normal 840 will be noticeably the same.

I wouldn't go with the H100i if you wanted a quiet system Sure it's quiet but it has a high failure/malfunction rat with pump noise and such. Go for a NZXT Kraken x60 instead. It's quieter and ..matches your case branding?

[Naruto]

I've had over 1000 tabs open on chrome on a laptop with 4GB ram and I've never had a problem. 8GB is plenty.

Just so there aren't any misconceptions, there aren't many features that make any motherboard a 'gaming motherboard' other than good internet. This is something the G45 Gaming is not special for. It's a great mobo but I wouldn't call any specific mobo a 'good gaming mobo'.

I agree here. If you're not in a rush for a system, wait for the 9970's. Prices will most likely drop.

The PSU is overkill. 750w is plenty for a 770 sli.

I would'nt go for the v200. Look for the v300, Sandisk Ultra Plus, regular Samsung 840, Hyper 3K, etc. instead--whichever is cheaper. You won't notice the difference from any of these higher tiered ssds and the 840 PRo. No need to pay more for something you won't even notice.

Same thought with the Phantom.

Unless you're going with a red/black theme, here is a list of mobos in which any of them would do the job just as well: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#sort=a6&f=2&c=89&l=2

The Vengeance Pros are only good for overclocking. Other than that, brand does not affect performance. It has already been explained above that there's little to no improvement from 1866 over 1600 so there's no point in paying more for the Pros. Just get the cheapest CL9 1600 memory you can find.

Although the twin frozr is my favorite gpu cooler, any dual/triple fan cooler gpu will do. Just get whichever is the cheapest. Have you considered the 7970? It's nearly neck to neck with the 770, has more vram, and should be considerably cheaper.

Like I said above, no need to pay more for the 840 Pros when other ssds or the normal 840 will be noticeably the same.

I wouldn't go with the H100i if you wanted a quiet system Sure it's quiet but it has a high failure/malfunction rat with pump noise and such. Go for a NZXT Kraken x60 instead. It's quieter and ..matches your case branding?

Ok, I shuold tell you guys, that I'm not going to build my PC on my own. I'm too afraid of building it myself.

And the website, which is going to build my PC doesn't have the NZXT Kraken x60.

And about the SSD, I would like to take the Samsung SSD 840 Evo with 250gb.

[WoodenMarker]

Ok, I shuold tell you guys, that I'm not going to build my PC on my own. I'm too afraid of building it myself.

And the website, which is going to build my PC doesn't have the NZXT Kraken x60.

And about the SSD, I would like to take the Samsung SSD 840 Evo with 250gb.

Got a techie friend who can help out?

What website is it? Link? 

The Evo is a good choice but know that you probably wouldn't notice the difference between the evo and the normal 840.

[Naruto]

Got a techie friend who can help out?

What website is it? Link? 

The Evo is a good choice but know that you probably wouldn't notice the difference between the evo and the normal 840.

Nope, I don't have one who knows about PCs.

I don't think that the link will help you, because it's an german website: http://www.hardwareversand.de

And I think the price difference between the normal 840 and the EVO is not too big, and maybe i should get the newer SSD.

[WoodenMarker]

Nope, I don't have one who knows about PCs.

I don't think that the link will help you, because it's an german website: http://www.hardwareversand.de

And I think the price difference between the normal 840 and the EVO is not too big, and maybe i should get the newer SSD.

Check out these videos for a clear exampke of how to build a PC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPHCBWayEsY

As for the link, google translate does wonders

What's your budget?

It's up to you if you want to pay more for the Evo. 

[Naruto]

Check out these videos for a clear exampke of how to build a PC

As for the link, google translate does wonders

What's your budget?

It's up to you if you want to pay more for the Evo. 

about 1650 €, but i don't know how much dollar that is, sorry ^^

[Naruto]

I could try building the pc by myself, but it seems too complicated with all the cables and stuff.

I could even get some better components for the pc, if I build it myself, but i really don't know if i can do that.

[WoodenMarker]

about 1650 €, but i don't know how much dollar that is, sorry ^^

Euros are good. It's better than converting currencies and is the one your site uses.

 

Here's what I came up with from your site:

 

RAM: A-Data 8GB CL9 1600

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=33144&agid=1193 60,59 €

 

HDD: Caviar Blue 1TB

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=62133&agid=1342 56,12 €

 

SSD: Samsung 840 250GB

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=67797&agid=1145 148,04 €

 

DVD Drive: Samsung 'Some Serial Number I'm not bothering to type out'

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=62887&agid=834 12,45 €

 

GPU: PowerColor 7970

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=79498&agid=1942 292,11 €

 

Case: Phantom 630

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=73856&agid=631 172,08 €

 

PSU: XFX Pro 850w Bronze PLUS

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=42450&agid=1631 88,57 €

 

Cooler: H100i 

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=71314&agid=669 104,59 €

Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition TwinPack

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=60684&agid=1989 21,78 €

 

Mobo: 990FXA-GD65

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=48026&agid=1232 105,19 €

 

CPU: 8350

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=68995&agid=1242 174,47 €

 

Total: 1.235,99 €

 

Crossfire ready. The 7970 is nearly neck to neck with the 770, has more vram, but was much cheaper. 

[Naruto]

Hmmm, that looks good to me. I'll think about that.

But still: I really dont know, if an AMD system is "that" good.

I personally focused more on an Intel-Nvidia system.

 

 

And btw, will a 750w psu be enough for two GTX 770 or two 7970 ?

[WoodenMarker]

Hmmm, that looks good to me. I'll think about that.

But still: I really dont know, if an AMD system is "that" good.

I personally focused more on an Intel-Nvidia system.

And btw, will a 750w psu be enough for two GTX 770 or two 7970 ?

The AMD build would fare as well as your original config but would cost significantly less.

A decent 750w would be enough for an overclocked 770 sli or a somewhat/slightly overclocked 7970 CF. A 7970 CF can take quite a bit of juice so 800-850w is recommended for overclocking room.

[TheProfosist]

16gb of ram is over kill for just a gaming pc

That large of psu even for sli is too big

As for a hdd I would look at seagates sv35 series.

[TheProfosist]

16gb of ram is over kill for just a gaming pc

That large of psu even for sli is too big

As for a hdd I would look at seagates sv35 series.

addition dont buy corsair fans they just look cool. Price to performance ratio of other brands it much better. Also you better just getting pwm fans with standard rpm and lowering the speed that way if need be you can set the mb to rev them up.

[Naruto]

addition dont buy corsair fans they just look cool. Price to performance ratio of other brands it much better. Also you better just getting pwm fans with standard rpm and lowering the speed that way if need be you can set the mb to rev them up.

I think the quiet edition fans are very good, so here:

 

got o 3:00

 

[Naruto]

So guys, I have a big question. Can someone give me an part list for an watercooled pc build ?? I need Pumps and all that stuff, and an water block for the graphics card.

 I'm still planing to take these parts:

 

- Intel Core i5 4670K 

- MSI Z87-G45 Gaming

- 8 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1600 

- MSI GTX N770 Twinfrozr 2 GB 

- Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 850W 

- Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200, Sata 6 

- Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250 GB 

- NZXT Phantom 630 

- + a DVD Drive from Asus or Samsung

[TheProfosist]

I think the quiet edition fans are very good, so here:

 

got o 3:00

 

 

are you saying rgeir good because their quiet? because that just because their slower than the other version. your better off getting a faster fan and letting your MB controll it so it can ramp it up if it needs to which might happen especially if you OC. What I said before still stands in my opinion.

 

 

 

So guys, I have a big question. Can someone give me an part list for an watercooled pc build ?? I need Pumps and all that stuff, and an water block for the graphics card.

 I'm still planing to take these parts:

 

- Intel Core i5 4670K 

- MSI Z87-G45 Gaming

- 8 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1600 

- MSI GTX N770 Twinfrozr 2 GB 

- Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 850W 

- Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200, Sata 6 

- Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250 GB 

- NZXT Phantom 630 

- + a DVD Drive from Asus or Samsung

 

I recommend a few changes:

 

Ram: Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB http://goo.gl/frl6MM

PSU: Seasonic Gold (X series) or Platnum (you dont need anywhere near 850watt for what you have listed there use this to figure out what you need and plan for additional stuff if you know your foing to add stuff later http://goo.gl/jaky0b )

HDD: Seagate SV35 Series 1TB http://goo.gl/TAS8y9 (or upgrase to the 2TB for not much more money)

ODD: LG here are DVD http://goo.gl/q08sXA and BD http://goo.gl/IiTqIj versions (unless your getting a BD I personally dont see a point now days really)

 

 

I also really dont see the point in water cooling something like this its not really high enough performance to need it and its not like water cooling is cheap so ill add a huge lump on to of your current price that your probably better off spending on better hardware.

[Naruto]

Ok, I guess you are right. But can I still cool my CPU with an watercooler ?? Like the Corsair H100i or the NZXT Kraken x60 ?

And about the PSU: if I'm going for SLI later, maybe I will need at least a 750W PSU ??

And about the RAM: is the Corsair Vengeance Pro RAM bad ??

[WoodenMarker]

Ok, I guess you are right. But can I still cool my CPU with an watercooler ?? Like the Corsair H100i or the NZXT Kraken x60 ?

And about the PSU: if I'm going for SLI later, maybe I will need at least a 750W PSU ??

And about the RAM: is the Corsair Vengeance Pro RAM bad ??

You can still water cool just fine. It's just not value oriented. If you think you want to get the best bang for your buck, water cooling generally not a good idea.

A 750w is enough for a 770 sli.

Ram is ram. Brand does not affect performance.

[Naruto]

And what should I take ??

Corsair H100i with the Quiet Edition Fans or the NZXT Kraken x60 ??

[WoodenMarker]

And what should I take ??

Corsair H100i with the Quiet Edition Fans or the NZXT Kraken x60 ??

Get the Kraken if you can fit it on your case. It's quieter.

 

Didn't you have a budget?

[TheProfosist]

Ok, I guess you are right. But can I still cool my CPU with an watercooler ?? Like the Corsair H100i or the NZXT Kraken x60 ?

And about the PSU: if I'm going for SLI later, maybe I will need at least a 750W PSU ??

And about the RAM: is the Corsair Vengeance Pro RAM bad ??

 

Sure go for a closed circuit one like what corsair, cooler master, thermaltake and swifttech.

 

650 might cover it but a 750 would for sure. use this and figure out what your system will use http://goo.gl/jaky0b

 

its not bad but theres nothing really special about it. Corsair got their name from their top of the line ram and thats their only stuff thats anything special. I liked you the ram i did because its 1600mhz 1.35v true low profile with low timings. it also has great review and ive used it in a number of builds.

 

 

 

You can still water cool just fine. It's just not value oriented. If you think you want to get the best bang for your buck, water cooling generally not a good idea.

A 750w is enough for a 770 sli.

Ram is ram. Brand does not affect performance.

 

no brand does not but specs and features do.